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Why isn't The Philippines under the Asia category in the stations broadcast section? Please correct this I am a Filipino and it is quite an ignorant mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.49.164.78 ( talk • contribs) 15:00, 29 May 2007.
WAUGH PUT IT UNDER A SPOILER WANING PLEASE D: - Yours annoyedly, an angry Autralian user with no account
Bennet revealed his real name as being 'Noah' to Peter in 'How To Stop An Exploding Man'. Is this enough confirmation to add to the character summary page?
I noticed that the episode count is set to 22 - shouldn't it be 23? There are 23 known episodes.
Coolspot 06:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, come on. If it's not, then neither are the symbol, the two marks, or the eclipse. If it weren't notable, they wouldn't make a special effort to make sure the viewer is able to recognize that specific gun every time it appears on the screen, complete with long closeups that no other gun in the show ever gets (and there have certainly been plenty of opportunities). Anything that has been specifically shown that many times definitely has more significance than something that hasn't. -- Robotech_Master 02:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
For what it's worth, according to the folks over on alt.rec.guns, the weapon is "a double stack M1911 Colt pistol with the slide drilled and an extended compensator." Whenever someone gets around to writing an entry that adds it back in. -- Robotech_Master 23:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys talking about Jessica/Nikki's pistol? That's a HK p2000SK, not a m1911. ChronoSphere 03:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It is probably coincidence rather than an homage, but another Colt M1911 is one the Battle Royale weapons; in fact, it is the weapon that most often exchanges owners and IIRC the one that kills the most people in the whole series (at least in the Manga versions). Luis Dantas 12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we have a Heroes timeline somewhere? Considering that the show plays a lot with dates, I thought this would be relevant. I found this and this to be helpful as examples. GameCreator 21:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sopranos has a timeline, and I find it most helpful. Heros will have to have multiple timelines, i.e., the organic unaltered, natural timeline, the First Altered Timeline (Hiro tells Peter Save the Cheerleader), the Second Altered Timeline (Early Hiro starts working to kill Sylar), and I suspect there are other altered timelines that will be revealed.-- Raymm 18:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I know that the first time Hiro teleported to NY in the early episodes, the bomb went off in broad daylight on November 8th. I don't know what changed, or what didn't.
Hayden's page credits Claire with a healing factor. AFAIK, this isn't established; she's unbreakable, but her disease or poison immunity aren't proven. Correction in order? Trekphiler 03:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I just watched the Episode "Don't Look Back" and when Suresh shows the girl his father's code, it appears as ASCII art in the code. Just thought you'd like to know, not sure if it's in all instances of the code or just this one. Never done anything on Wikipedia, so I don't know the ettiquette as far as editing articles...so I just posted here.
The list is much better, but what about when Claire drew it on her notebook? -- Lostcause365 18:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
sHE SAID SHE TOOK BIOLOGY IN UNEXPECTIED SHE COULD HAVE SEEN A PICURE OF IT AND DOODLED IT...MAYBE- RED 4/4
Where do we want to go with this information anyway? The last edit is "there is something resembling a helix floating there." I mean, we're now up to "I think I saw something that may look something like the helix". Why should we need to know every single moment the helix appears? I'd take all these off of the article. -- Lyverbe 13:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Question: Why did you remove my addition of a place where the Helix appears? In my case it was not "something resembling a helix", but a clear helix drawn on the edge of Claire's book. Who decides that some instances should be mentioned and some not? Who decices that some instances are more important than others? xvrbx 18 April 2007
Choosing what is important or not regarding Helix sighting is Subjective. Remove them all or include them all, anything else has an unneutral POV. It's not anyone's right to decide if any sighting is more or less important unless it has a physical plot point involved (for instance the Helix that appears whenever Jessica is in control of Niki's body). (Just my two cents) Jacobshaven3 11:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently re-watched several of the episodes to look for the "helix" shapes. I still think the drawing on Claire's notebook is significant. It is a clear drawing of the helix. (My personal favourite is the one floating in the pool @ the house where Parkman first demonstrates his power formed by a hose and 3 pool toys). Conversely, maybe a section called "Helix Appearances/References/Stylised Appearances/Shaped Objects needs to be created to house all of these non plot-important Helix sightings.-- Lostcause365 15:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that a plain list of Helix-shaped symbol appearances in too fansitish (great word BTW). Maybe if there was also speculation about the symbol's meaning that would reek of a fan site. I believe that lists are a part of an encyclopedic article. Your comments, however, are greatly appreciated and respected by myself.-- Lostcause365 18:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the argument that this is an encyclopedic article, and any appearance of the helix is worth mentioning. In any case we shouldn'd be discussing this thing over and over. Let's agree on a decision :) xvrbx 19 April 2007
Think about it this way; if you would be reading this article for the first time and you'd get to this list of helix appearances, would you honestly start reading every line of this section? would you actually care to know about this? I wouldn't. -- Lyverbe 12:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
At this point the argument seems very speculative. I would think it would be better to include none of the specific sightings since including them all would clearly be a waste of space. The symbol has not had any impact on the plot yet and so we assume that it is some kind of foreshadowing or it could be just some NBC put in for fun. 70.7.107.165 07:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
It is on Hana's ring in the new graphic novel.
Count me in the camp of either all or nothing, on the grounds of subjectivity/objectivity reasons. As with all art in whatever form, it means different things to different people. I actually came here looking for where others have seen the figure; I was going to add in Mohinder's/Chandra's "algorith," the hose and misc. objects in the pool, and any others I happen to come across as I view the recent Sci-Fi marathon. But then I saw what I thought at the time was an absurd SGML comment about not adding that stuff. My personal hope would be to see anything and everything, but in reading the Wikipedia's guidelines on trivia, I can see this is clearly discouraged, and more appropriate for some other site. Joe 00:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Helix found in the last episode be noted as in episode "Generations", rather than "How to Stop an Exploding Man"? It was part of the preview of "Generations". It was also on the sword that the japanese warrior had. Does this mean he is Kensei?
Packerbacker89
20:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Ando was removed because:
"It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the writers and NBC put down as fact."
I must object to this reasoning. I believe what we think (or "see" more specifically) is MORE important than the "official channel." We would not limit our coverage of a political candidate, or a country (lets say Iran) to the "official" agency line - Why are we imposing this same limitation here? If someone is watching the show and wants information on a character etc making this article a strict subset of "official" line only serves to deprecate us. A Wikipedia entry, to my understanding, is to be a living entity, if the show does something to change the facts then the article can can change to reflect it. It should never exclude information for the SOLE reason that NBC did. The fact is that Ando gets screen time and Simone doesn't. The fact the NBC has made Simone a "main character" may promote her onto the page - but the fact that they have slighted Ando should not be enough reason to remove him.
Spandox 14:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
It is not a question of slighting Ando, but rather one of accurately reporting the facts. If Jow Shmoe was a minor character actor who nonetheless was prominently featured in a movie, would you want us to list him in the credits labeled as Starring In, or only in the Full Cast or Also Appearing? It is a question of contracts and production. Yes, Simone got killed off as the story evovled. This does not change the fact that she was originally hired to be a Main Cast character, and Ando was hired as a a supporting player regardless of how the story has changed since production started. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 14:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Historical data is interesting, likewise who the NBC thinks is a main character is interesting. It should NOT be the only dictate as to who is actually important - and who makes it on the page. This is not a static, set in stone article - this is Wikipedia. Should Simone fall off the screen (stop getting any airtime) she can fall off the article - Ando is currently in every episode that Hiro is in - he deserves his spot in the character listing - this may change in the future. When it does he can be moved into the footnotes. The section being commented on here is the Character's section - not the historical data. My objection is NOT to Simone being there - it is to the attitude that Ando cannot. Spandox 15:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Let me more direct response to Bill's comment - for he does indeed have a completely valid argument (just not one I ascribe to - but valid). Who is on the credits - although interesting is a matter of contract negotiations etc. It is not a matter of who is important to the movie. Janet Leigh is in all of the posters for Psycho (the 1960's movie) - She dies 10 minutes in - that was publicity. There is two types of data here. The "what is on the screen" and the "what is behind it." The fact that the actor that played Ando didn't negotiate a "main character" billing is worthy of noting - it, however, doesn't seem to be affecting his time spent on screen, and his level of involvement in the plot. Yes, he is a sidekick - but he is in almost every episode. I am sure NBC would love us to only report the "meta-data" the stuff that they spoon feed us. Truth be told what actually ends up on the screen is more important - the meta-data is for production footnotes. Maybe there should be an asterix next to some people's names saying that NBC considers there people to be main characters. This, however, should not be the only consideration for their appearence here (in the Wiki article). If NBC wants Ando to not be on the character list they have full control over that - stop making him important to the plot and stop giving him screen time. When Simone died a lot of people were "meh, so what." Should Ando die I am sure a letter writing compaingn would start that very day to get him back. He is important to the plot, he is important to the fans - the fact that the actor did not negotiate for a "main character" slot is the least important thing possible. If it doesn't affect ther show it is a footnote - not a reason for exclusion.
Spandox
15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
main means principle http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/main character means 10. a person represented in a drama, story, etc. 11. a part or role, as in a play or film. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/character i beleive this describes Ando well -- Aaronpark 21:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
The real issue here is not that NBC considers Ando to not be a main character, it's that the show itself credits the actor as a guest star. You can see this at the beginning of every episode that Ando is in, at the beginning of the first act (after the teaser, the show logo, and the first set of commercials). Even though he is often the first or second guest star listed, he's still just a guest star. -- ΨΦorg 22:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
yes but the issue is not guest star or star, it is main character or not. and by all definitions accept the official NBC word he is a main character-- Aaronpark 20:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Possible solution waht if we changed it from saying "main characters" to saying "important characters" than it would be perfectly reasonable to add ando-- Aaronpark 21:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
What everyone from the TV series end says/writes can apparently change. Jack Coleman is listed as a guest star in the early episodes, but now is listed along with all the other actors/actresses. ...speaking of which...I don't understand how a major villan like Gabriel Gray/Sylar/Zachary Quinto is a "guest star," but I guess that's betwen Mr. Quinto, any of his management/representation, and those who produce the show. Joe 00:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if someone has mentioned this, but... I was under the impression that the main character was someone who events revolved around. As such, perhaps Hiro is a main character, as he is often a driving force to make things happen, but as has been said previously, Ando is a sidekick. A supporting character. As the journey Hiro took was, in fact, Hiro's, it doesn't really place Ando in any "main character" role. Originally, he was just Hiro's friend in Japan, and wasn't until Hiro took him with him to America that Ando really did anything notable. And even then, it wasn't that big. As opposed to Bennet, who certainly started off as a secondary character who showed up in various characters' stories (not unlike Linderman), he nevertheless began to have a larger role as the story itself focused on him for good portions of the time. Sorry if this was something of a rant, I just felt it was necessary to point out what a "main character" was. I mean, yeah, Ando is certainly an important character, but it's not necessarily a "starring" role. Now that I think of it, shouldn't we have a section for notable guest stars? -- MasterXiam 23:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems like it would be simple enough merely to note him in a "recurring first season guest stars" section, along with some others. It's not accurate to bill them as the show's stars, but it's also grossly misrepresentative to exclude them. The idea that Ando doesn't belong on the page is ludicrously misinformed. If the same standard were applied to Sylar that is applied to Ando---neither of them are credited as main cast members, after all---then he would not be mentioned on the main page either. It's a subjective judgment to put him up there, since he's deemed important despite being a "guest star." I will be adding a section to include notable guest stars. My standard of evaluation for who makes the list will be (1) guest stars, like Ando and Sylar, enjoy a significant amount of screen time (defined as a majority of episodes, minimum 12), (2) who are played by actors who are otherwise notable (like George Takei Clea DuVall, and Christopher Eccleston's characters), or (3) have appeared on the show and are revealed to have special powers. These will be included on a separate list. Guyminuslife 08:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia guidelines for determining whether a character is "major" or minor are kept intentionally vague. Arguably, Heroes has several major characters who aren't credited as regular cast members. I think screen time is as objective a criterion as any, (this is reflected on, say, IMDB credits, which is the source I used and neglected to cite) and I would say that notable guest actors confer notability to their respective characters. I am, however, not going to get into an add/delete war over this; and besides which, after compiling the list, I felt that it made the character section a bit long anyway. I do think that certain important characters with guest credits are worth putting on the main page---especially Ando---but I'm not going to give myself a headache for the sake of arguing about it. Guyminuslife 08:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do the edits stating Simone's death get removed? It is a confirmed plot element and a part of her character's story.-- Lostcause365 20:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I just don't want a WP:3RR battle going on over a trivial piece of information-- Lostcause365 22:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's another argument for leaving it out...
POTENTIAL SPOILER FOLLOWS
There are now rumours that Simone isn't actually dead, and that she'll return in the season finale. (I'm not suggesting we add this info yet, just mentioning it as yet another reminder that death is so very temporary in television...) -- Ckatz chat spy 04:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The problem I have is with the wording "The main cast, not all of whom have been shown to possess powers, currently consists of:" This should be changed otherwise you'll have edits like the one I made (which obviously got reverted) that moved Simone to the former recurring character list. 68.146.41.17 15:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Could i suggest removing the fact that Nathan Petrelli is Claire Bennet's biological father from the main Heroes page? Personally I don't think the main page should contain any big spoilers as if any new viewer (for example, Heroes won't be shown on terrestial UK television until June) was to come on to this page they stand the risk of ruining future episodes - and the identity of Claire's real father is a big spoiler to read if you've only seen a handful of episodes. By the same token I think its a great thing that it doesn't say beside Simone's name that she's now dead. A little bio info is ok but not to the extent that it actually spoils the enjoyment of the show.
What are your views? < The dead don 18:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not commenting on this specific detail, but in general, we do not censor "spoilers" if they haven't been aired everywhere yet. Whether or not this detail is important enough to warrant mentioning in the main article, I'll leave to you. But once it has aired anywhere in the world, it is fair game.↔ NMajdan• talk 15:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we're missing the larger issue here. This page is to serve as an overview, not to detail specifics about the characters. In fact, once the character blurbs have been established, there should be no need to change them, only to add new characters in season 2 and beyond.-- Lostcause365 17:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
In 0.7% Mrs. Peterilli tells Claire she had her ability. So deoes this means she can heal?- RREDD13 22:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Wait who's Au Co?
Where exactly is this "Congratulations on your marriage to Au Co...." message? - SigmaEpsilon → Σ Ε 17:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The Gitelman document is located at [2] She posted it on 4/10/2007. You may be right ΣΕ, but it seems like an odd coincidence.
What do you mean by different?- RREDD13 02:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How about we remove the dead charater from the home page. We wouldn't delete the entries in the List of characters in Heroes also when we edit the pages we don't have to go through the dead characters?- RREDD13 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a piece of completely true information to a section in this article, only to find the article had been updated, and this information removed, a few hours later with no real reason or explanation. I'm wondering why this may be? Any light you can shed on this and maybe why this true information was removed would be great. I thought that this would be useful for other readers and fans of the series. Was I wrong in doing this? Cheers.
The information I added under the 'The Helix' heading was:
-- Chaproy 21:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, yes, I see all the furore now. Quite exciting reading really. I am new to this, and now I see how this whole system works. I can't say I understand why some entries are allowed to stay and not others as they are all equal in so far as they refer to the symbol but there you go, not point it dwelling. After reading some of the issues surrounding this matter, and to prevent the further addition and deletion of things from this article (as it seems to be done frequently - much to some people's anger it seems, to which I wholeheartedly sympathsise), I think it would be wise to maybe have another page that lists all sightings of the Helix within the show. Also it is definitely worth stipulating on the page that the current list is by no means definitive and that an exhaustive list could be found elsewhere....follow link to suggested page. This will almost certainly help.-- Chaproy 22:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this sounds like a very sensible resolution. To avoid confusion, I think it is worth stipulating in the main article that all these references can be found in the respective episode guides. And, the list there only displays a handful of examples (I know that it has been said that the current list is supposed to display plot driven examples. This current list, however, is arguable; save that for another time and certainly not here because I doubt anyone is interested). Otherwise, I feel you'll receive a constant barrage of people adding and removing to this list of 'Recurring Elements' demanding explanations and then arguing over which should or should not be included. Anyways, you have my thoughts. Cheers for the replies and input.-- Chaproy 23:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I would love to see a proper listing of all helix sightings. I think they are all important, as the symbol has been repeatedly thrust in our collective faces.-- Lostcause365 00:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
First of all, SigmaEpsilon, chill out. Second of all, as a recommendation, you should read and understand what others have written before you resort to unecessary use of CAPS LOCK and exclamation marks. If I can just copy and paste exactly what my point was above which clearly states (displayed for you again in case you missed it the first time or read above) "...I know that it has been said that the current list is supposed to display plot driven examples. This current list, however, is arguable..." you should hopefully see what my original point was. To explain it plainly, the current list is tenous. Personally, I can't understand why the "catch all" term of "On various paintings by Issac Mendez" holds anymore relevance or plot siginficance than seeing this symbol in a pool, on Suresh's computer screen, on the Haitian's necklace, or as a logo for Primatech Paper, in "Company Man", for example. To say that "the placement of the helix here is more relevant than it's placement there" is laughable. Each sighting of this symbol is equally as significant as the other. Otherwise, what is the point of putting it there in the first place? They are all there for a reason. It seems to me (and to others judging by some of the comments posted here) that too many "fanboys" of this series are too akin to having this article written the way they want it and refuse to listen others points of view. Whether this is true or not is up to others to decide, I'm merely stating my opinion on this. But to finish I'll leave you with one final though from "Lyverbe" who posted this comment on this very discussion page below "...Whatever it is, people must stop edit wars. It's childish...". I give up on this now. Thanks very much for reading thus far.-- Chaproy 01:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This "discussion" is getting more and more personal (ie. name calling) and getting away from the article. Perhaps you both should consider personal messages. -- Lyverbe 13:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't appear at the flags of the sumrai army in the last episode. Instead it appears on the flag of the one samurai (IMHO Kensei) the army wants to fight. I'm not able to correct it - maybe someone is? 84.56.202.209 19:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the cockroach should be included in the list of recurring elements. It is mentioned in the first episode in Mohinder Suresh's lecture, where he proposes that if God made anything in God's own image, it would be a cockroach. It then appears at least several times throughout the series thus far (such as when Sylar is being held in the hidden cell in Primatech Paper). Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? How often should something appear in order to be considered a recurring element? Zorander22 02:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Though it may appear more than once... not once has it been a plot-important figure. You could just as easily say that "every hero dies with their eyes open" is a recurring element (which it is not, just a coincidence)-- Lostcause365 15:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused, the Cockroach is about as recurring as the eclipse, it does seem to be a 'theme' they have running through season 1, the first 2 episodes of season 1, both when Sylar and Matt were heald at Primatech Paper and at the end of "Volume 1". I don't see how you can make the arguement that the The eclipse is a reccuring element, but the Cockroach isn't because it's not plot important. What plot significance does the eclipse actually have? I think at the very least it is worth a mention somewhere on the page Zurtex
"Net Theories" are simply that, theories. And the graphic novels are inked to the Heroes series as a whole, expanding the Heroes' universe. The scar is something that are proved over and over that are something created by the plot. But the cockroach still has to be shown as something related or told by the producers/writers that are something related to the plot. Garavello 22:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
As I said: The GN are part of the Heores series, as its expands and explains some occurrences (the connection between Linderman and the Petrellis for example and how Ted escaped and discovered about the hypo gun). It's not separate entities, the GNs are continuations of the series. Just like the Heroes 360 Experience, it's something that completes and expands the heroes TV Series, and doing so, can be related to the series itself without problem.
And the eclipse is mentioned by NBC on its page [3] and by Tom Kring himself [4], so it's a element related to the plot.
So far, no writer/producer talked about the cockroach as being something important to the plot. Garavello 23:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think people are forgetting that the cockroach isn't just seen with Sylar. It was seen when Parkman was imprisoned in the company's interrogation rooms.
It's nice to know that other people agree with me that the Cockroach is a recurring theme. However, I've already been messaged directly telling me that I am in violation of WikiLaw by adding in the section continuously, even though they seem to ignore the continuous undos of other Wiki users (whose actions are also in violation of WikiLaw). If some other people would like to re-add the cockroach seciton, or add one of their own, PLEASE DO and do not let a few overzealous editors control the state of the page. tendim 05:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
An interesting article about the significance of the cockroach can be found here: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/heroes-zach-quinto-confirmed-f-7406.aspx
I'm looking to see how much support/opposition there would be if I created a separate page for The Recurring Elements. The reason I ask instead of going ahead and doing it is because some people will just revert it and I'm not wasting my time if that is going to happen. This page will give a place to all of those NON plot-intrinsic occurances (and about that, how come nobody mentioned the "eclipse in the hospital light" thing as cruft?), as well as highlight all of the important ones. -- Lostcause365 17:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The eclips is going to happen the day the bomb/exploding man happens. it just seems a bit obvious to me. -wonder
Are they working on including http://yamagatofellowship.org/index.shtml Kaito Nakamura's website? and doesn't Linderman have one too and also Nathan P.? OuryLN 23:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that this show is clearly influenced by and probably inspired by the X-Men films? Tayquan holla My work 02:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There is an erro in the article. In the right menu, there are 23 episodes.
A few weeks ago, someone posted the list on the recurring elements page. It was taken down about five minutes later. Why is that? I think the list i extremely important. The third story arc of tghe series was based on the list. Also, I think we need to change the Primatech paper page to the COMPANIES Page. Wouldnt that make more sense, because a lot of the company was revealed in the HARD PART and we know Linderman has ties to the company, primatech and thompson. Please consider adding these important elements to the show. I think THE LIST would be interesting to have posted, because tim kring has been taking names off the list and making them minor characters like sparrow, candice wilmer and charlise andrews —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.220.243 ( talk) 05:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
If anyone can find any extra infomation on this new spinoff, please add it to the article. thanks. dposse 17:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The helix appears in the phonebook for the bladesmith entry. That should be added.
Surely he's a formerly escaped criminal? If Peter is a former nurse, after all. Berym 23:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
If you're going to edit the section on DL, please note why you have. He, like Peter Petrelli, is a -former-. If Peter is a former nurse, DL is just as rightly so a former criminal (since he has been cleared of all charges). Berym 10:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really sure how to do this, but all of the information about the season 1 DVD of Heroes has been released if someone would like to post it. Thanks! Here is the link: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7322 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajwhales2007 ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
I was thinking over the edit made by Thedemonhog today about Ando being one "most notable recurring character" among Sylar. I really don't see why it can't be that way, neither I see that is "not our call", as Ckatz said when reversing. Ithink if it's not our call to consider Ando one of the most notable, then it's not our call to determine Sylar as the "most notable" (after all, what would be the criteria for one being most notable than the other?). What do you guys think? I would prefer either Ando and Sylar being noted as "most notable" or neither of them there. Garavello 03:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 08:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)"The main antagonist in season one is Sylar ( Zachary Quinto), a serial killer who hunts "heroes" in order to take their abilities. The series also features many guest and recurring characters, including friends and family of the main cast, criminals and villains, and other individuals with remarkable powers."
I guess that way is better. The issue of "main", "important" characters are giving so much trouble that we better avoid using that definition without a official source. I would rephrase "heroes" for something like "super-powered individuals", as not every person hunted and/or killed by Sylar was a "hero" (unknown victims and Eden McCain for example). Garavello 15:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
My opinion is that we should be listing the notable characters, it's irrelevant if they're: main, recurring or guest stars. Verifiability, not fact; if it's verifiable that the character is notable and encyclopaedic, then there's no reason they can't be listed here. Matthew 16:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to add something to the Emerson Lawsuit section.
On May 20th, 2007 when Sci-Fi Channel aired the Heroes Marathon, the scene where Claire Bennet placed her hand in the emerson garbage disposol was NOT edited out of the scene. It was shown as it was originally shown on NBC. I think that needs to be noted. Chrisisinchrist 21:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how many of you are still hard over about Heroes Wiki, but I figured you guys should know: A few of the members of the Heroes production team, and a few of the actors and actresses of the show, have accounts there. Beyond that, one of the lead admins, RyanGibsonStewart, had a night club named after him in the the most recent Graphic Novel, The Death of Hana Gitleman. (RGS) - Tim Sale himself has mentioned Ryan in his blog, thanking him for help with research.
Just hope you guys realize this means it's not a shithole of a website, that it IS a good source. Otherwise, such people wouldn't be there. -Rob
If anyone knows (via a reliable source) when the premiere for Volume Two, entitled "Generations," is supposed to air for the first time, please add this information to this article. Considering that this is an ongoing series, and a second season is already guaranteed by NBC, it would make sense to include the expected premiere date of Volume Two (when it becomes known officially of course). Homologeo 06:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
September 24th is when Volume 2 is coming back. Also the DVD of Season 1 is coming out August 28th. I know for a fact that Volume 2 is returning on September 24th because on the Heroes Myspace it says Heroes returns September 24th, they even have a timer counting down the day,hours,minutes,and seconds. Knight Whitefire 02:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I was a bit suprprised that noone had commented on this before?
A couple of things seems very inspired by Watchmen apart from the fact that both are attempts to take a more serious approach to superheroes than the standard fare:
(Spoliers here)
Heroes : A mysterious and powerful group that has lost their belief in humanity wants to cause an explosion in new york that will cause the death of million and trigger the uniting of people (under their new leader). All for the greater good. Watchmen : A former masked crime fighter (think batman or such) has constructed a fake alien that will be teleported into new york causing the death of millions thus stopping the nuclear threat and uniting the people in world in the fight against the nonexistant alien invaders. All for the greater good.
Heroes : One of the main villains is a watchmaker that can pick a part people to learn their powers, has the fixing of watches as a reocurring theme. Watchmen : One of the main characters Dr Manhattan (indeed the only one with superpowers) is a watchmakers son that learns how to put himself together after a nuclear blast, watches and cogs are a reocurring and important subject in regards to his charater.
Also note that Watchmen is *the* comic to read if you would want to make a tv series about superheroes so I would mark it of as impossible that the makers of heroes hasnt read Watchmen.
I'm sure someone else can comment more on this?
Found this outside wiki: http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007/entertainment/heroes_pulls_rug_from_under_watchmen_entertainment_stephen_lynch.htm
Now that we have a clear picture of all the events of season one, a major rewrite of all character articles is needed. We can take huge articles like Hiro and Peter down to perhaps five or six paragraphs. But please, DO NOT just go deleting things all willy nilly. People who decide to take on this project must have a logical plan that will allow those paragraphs to fully explain his character and what he goes through, albet in a more condensed way. Thanks. dposse 16:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Kirby Plaza has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss it at the AFD page. Thanks. dposse 22:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I've seen people mentioning the official web comic as references for fictional canon in the Heroes universe (ie things that happen in the official web comic supposedly happened in between television episodes). While I'd like to think that this is true, I can't actually find any official statements to that effect and there are some minor inconsistencies between events in the comics and events in the series. So I'd be more comfortable accepting the web comics as actual references for the official continuity of the television series if someone can find a statement backing up that assertion. Dugwiki 23:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Also if the graphic novels aren't "official stuff", why would NBC post them on the official site? Plus, it's more than proved that certains things are explained only in the novels (like how they recaptured Sylar after Eden killed herself or how Ted found about the "isotope gun") and are part of the plot. Garavello 05:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Source: Talk to the producers at comicbookresources.com...You will find your answer at that website.
What discrepancies are there between the Comics and the actual programme? I've read them all and can't recall one which had different facts... Jacobshaven3 10:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Here's another doozy...a recent web comic shows the origin of Candace, which depicts her as someone who's overweight and has really bad acne, but casts enough illusions to convince people otherwise. That being said, in the season ending episode where she's knocked out, wouldn't she revert back to her "Betty" form? Toquinha 16:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the show deserving of a Wikiquotes page? I think so... Chozen1 17:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I've posted a note here on the Heroes project page. It is in regards to an editor who has embarked on a unilateral campaign to eliminate most individual episode articles. Please read it and help discuss how to approach the matter. Thanks. -- Ckatz chat spy 05:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Tonight (Thursday) heroes is on at 8:30pm, AEST, as I believe was the case last week. This is in response to the editor who asked when it was on thursdays in Australia. WookMuff 05:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia Discussions, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the Helix was also seen..
- Drawn on the bottom of CLAIRE's geometry book in one of the early episodes - On the poker chips used in the LINDERMAN casino —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sariandra ( talk • contribs)
Can an account user please add this to the "Critical Acclaim" section: On June 5, 2007, Heroes was nominated the Television Critics Association in three categories: Program of the Year, Outstanding Achievement in Drama, and Outstanding New Program of the Year. Source (Press Release): "Television Critics Association Announces 2007 Award Nominees" http://tvcritics.org/?q=node/201
should syler be on the list of main charaters? Kiran90 03:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone interested in expanding the production notes section of the article should check it out:
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/
It's really extensive, but if you have the time, browse through it and see what can be added to the article.
Also, my apologies if this has been brought up before.
The no erz
09:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any basis for this? The show was very clear that Ted was confused when he thought that the company gave him his powers. Matt used his powers before being abducted and showed no significant imporvement immediately afterwards. I think that line should be deleted. ( Slick023 11:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC))
An editor has requested deletion review on this template after a decision was made to delete the template at TfD. You are invited to participate in the discussion at the DRV if you so wish, see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 4#Template:Dated episode notability. The original TfD is located at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 June 24#Template:Dated episode notability. Ursasapien (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I like it. I don't find it bulky and rather find it cleaner than a big block of characters. Ckatz, you should discuss before selfishly remove somebody's hard work because you don't like it. Who knows, you might be alone not liking it. -- Lyverbe 11:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I did a little work in my sandbox trimming down the table and came up with this version of the table. It should display cleanly for most people. EvilCouch 05:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed throughout the series that at several times the background music contains what sounds like a prepared piano, and sounds extremely similar to John Cage's works with the instrument. Is there any info about that? ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 12:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know the music playing at the begining of series one, episode three? Jamesigoe 12:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)JamesIgoe Aug 14 13:23
"A move to the 8.30 Thursday timeslot in the cities of Sydney and Brisbane has seen a significant increase in its numbers in those markets, especially in Brisbane." Not really. There was barely an increase. Ratings can be found at tribal mind
Does anyone know the music playing at the begining of series one, episode three?
Jamesigoe
12:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)JamesIgoe Aug 14 13:23
It was already mentioned before and I think that division by seasons (like it is done in many other series) helps organizing information. At this point I'm only concerned in adding information about the plans for Season 2 like release date and it's connection with Origins but that approach should work better for next seasons and even for other topics that are relevant to the series and not a specific season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.222.103 ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
SigmaEpsilon if you are unhappy with edits other users are making, use the talk page to discuss this. Do not just revert edits if you are unable to point to a policy, a consensus or some other reason why this edit should not be made. -- 84.178.98.178 13:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I rewatched the pilot the other day. No mention of "Volume 1". Just Chapter 1: Genesis. Milchama 03:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
DVD section reads like an advert. Mention the unaired pilot's inclusion, if anything, and get rid of the rest. -- 24.19.144.93 06:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
You don't have Simone's Dad down here as a character of any sort, yet he is a pivotal plot device for Peter, letting Peter acquire his own ability to use dreams as a medium for showing people premonitions and historical events, like the conversation between himself and Angela Petrelli on his balcony. Those abilities and events where crucial to Peter's decisions during the season 1 finale. Shouldn't he get mentioned as a secondary (or tertiary) character? 64.90.198.6 18:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Duckingham 18:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I mean to say that Charles Deveaux is not mentioned on the Heroes (TV Series) page in either of the 2 lists of characters that are part of it. Y is that? 64.90.198.6 19:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i875ea62c3f121f746d26fd652250bd82
Not sure if it should be mentionned in the article... -- Lyverbe 16:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I just got the latest TV Guide with a feature article about Heroes and a few hints regarding Season 2. I will try to come back and add some specific info in the next few days. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 06:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Smith will direct the pilot episode of Heroes: Origins. It will premiere on April. In Heroes there will be a new female character named Monica from New Orleans. Heroes will also be released as a comic I think by DC. It is confirmed that Alex Ross and Jim Lee will do the art for some of the covers. I read all this in a reliable site and I didn't know if you were aware of this new info. I hope I was of help. —Preceding
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This article is over 32 kb long. I think that we can split off the recurring elements section into its own article at this point. If there are no objections I am going to do so. -- iTocapa t 03:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is it here? I'm seeing that tv show articles are getting rid of these lists. Wikipedia is not a tv guide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.130.230 ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we put the season 2 cast up yet? They were announced at Comic-Con 2007. They are: Ali Larter, Jack Coleman, Hayden Panettiere, Noah Gray-Cabey, Adrian Pasdar, Masi Oka, Milo Ventimiglia, Greg Grunberg, James Kyson Lee, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Greg Grunberg, Dania Ramirez, David Anders Specialk22 17:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
In regards to this issue, I think we should take a cue from the Lost page, and have the "Cast and characters" section be a section describing the original cast, and how it has been changed over the seasons (what characters have died, what new characters have been introduced, etc.). That way, we can save the cast list for the character page only, since I think it would be somewhat redundant to have it on both pages. Just my $0.02. -- iTocapa t 18:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I just looked at the updated list, and is it certain that Dana Davis is a regular? I don't recall her ever being announced as a regular, but I might've missed that announcement. The only new regulars I heard abotu were Quinto, Ramirez, Anders and Kyson Lee. Violetion 13:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of creating another archive and realized the archive box is bigger than some articles ;). When looking at the archives, I saw that most of them were done way too fast, like archives with very few topics in them. By the dates, archives #2 to #9 (inclusively) have a span of only a month worth of stuff.
What I'm thinking of doing is merge from #3 to #9 into #2, and merge #11 to #13 into #10. That would greatly reduce the size of the archive box, that thing nobody ever use :) Objections? -- Lyverbe 11:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
There are so many actors who left months ago or have been confirmed dead and they're still on the main cast list, why? Isn't it time that got updated? There are heaps of new regulars too that should be added.
They're not on the main cast anymore, so why do they need to be on the sidebar under main cast?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.17.43 ( talk • contribs) 03:39, August 11, 2007
Please add warnings before and after each. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.66.59 ( talk • contribs)
New posts go at the end. Also if the show has aired it isn't considered a Spoiler anymore regardless where you are. ≈
Seraph
09:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC) PS. Please sign your posts.
I added the spoiler warnings and they were removed with the comment "rm redundant tags section will clearly contain spoilers". I don't get it. The warnings are nowhere, so why are they considered "redundant"? -- Lyverbe 11:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Readers are expected to understand that an encyclopedia section titled "Main characters: Season two" will contain spoiler material about the characters in Season two. -- Ckatz chat spy 17:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)"Articles about fictional characters, objects, or places can be expected to include significant elements of the story. They should only contain spoiler warnings around specific details that a reader might not expect to come across."
I added the tags back, given that the majority clearly supports them. -- YellowTapedR 04:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
WP:SPOILER also does say "where consensus demonstrates the need for their use." So hey, let's do a straw poll and see what the consensus is. I'm willing to go with consensus either way.
Should there be either a {{ spoiler}} or {{ current fiction}} tag placed on second season information until the information is aired?.
I didn't realize that none of these episodes have aired. On the Harry Potter book, for example, we didn't have any plot summary in the article (it was removed) until the book was released, on the principle that there was no way to verify the information. The source given for the info here seems to me to be a fan/rumor site, as the official site is http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/ . It seems to me that the plot/cast information here that isn't on the official website (which I do trust as a reliable source for the show) should be removed until it can be verified from the show itself. This is another example of a phenomenon noted by JzG once: on forthcoming works, {{ spoiler}} is often a substitute for {{ original research}}. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the characters that are in a show doesn't have too much to do with what NBC says are the cast of a show. Whatever NBC says, it's really inexcusable to not have Ando in the characters list, not to mention Linderman, Ted, and other such significant characters. You could always rename that section "Cast" and have a seperate section for "Other Significant Characters". Anyways, it's pretty late for me here, but maybe I'll create an account and/or take a more active role in Wikipedia from now on. (I dunno) 207.172.135.71 07:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the plot summary section is too long for each season. I know I should not compare this article to the LOST article, but they seem to be able to sum up an entire 23 ep season in a few sentences, whereas, we here seem to do it in several paragraphs. Can it be summed down to give the two or three basic plot points, without giving detail to the characters story and development, which can be read on a character page or episode synopsis?-- 76.168.220.243 ( talk) 20:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Why isn't The Philippines under the Asia category in the stations broadcast section? Please correct this I am a Filipino and it is quite an ignorant mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.49.164.78 ( talk • contribs) 15:00, 29 May 2007.
WAUGH PUT IT UNDER A SPOILER WANING PLEASE D: - Yours annoyedly, an angry Autralian user with no account
Bennet revealed his real name as being 'Noah' to Peter in 'How To Stop An Exploding Man'. Is this enough confirmation to add to the character summary page?
I noticed that the episode count is set to 22 - shouldn't it be 23? There are 23 known episodes.
Coolspot 06:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, come on. If it's not, then neither are the symbol, the two marks, or the eclipse. If it weren't notable, they wouldn't make a special effort to make sure the viewer is able to recognize that specific gun every time it appears on the screen, complete with long closeups that no other gun in the show ever gets (and there have certainly been plenty of opportunities). Anything that has been specifically shown that many times definitely has more significance than something that hasn't. -- Robotech_Master 02:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
For what it's worth, according to the folks over on alt.rec.guns, the weapon is "a double stack M1911 Colt pistol with the slide drilled and an extended compensator." Whenever someone gets around to writing an entry that adds it back in. -- Robotech_Master 23:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys talking about Jessica/Nikki's pistol? That's a HK p2000SK, not a m1911. ChronoSphere 03:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It is probably coincidence rather than an homage, but another Colt M1911 is one the Battle Royale weapons; in fact, it is the weapon that most often exchanges owners and IIRC the one that kills the most people in the whole series (at least in the Manga versions). Luis Dantas 12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we have a Heroes timeline somewhere? Considering that the show plays a lot with dates, I thought this would be relevant. I found this and this to be helpful as examples. GameCreator 21:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sopranos has a timeline, and I find it most helpful. Heros will have to have multiple timelines, i.e., the organic unaltered, natural timeline, the First Altered Timeline (Hiro tells Peter Save the Cheerleader), the Second Altered Timeline (Early Hiro starts working to kill Sylar), and I suspect there are other altered timelines that will be revealed.-- Raymm 18:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I know that the first time Hiro teleported to NY in the early episodes, the bomb went off in broad daylight on November 8th. I don't know what changed, or what didn't.
Hayden's page credits Claire with a healing factor. AFAIK, this isn't established; she's unbreakable, but her disease or poison immunity aren't proven. Correction in order? Trekphiler 03:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I just watched the Episode "Don't Look Back" and when Suresh shows the girl his father's code, it appears as ASCII art in the code. Just thought you'd like to know, not sure if it's in all instances of the code or just this one. Never done anything on Wikipedia, so I don't know the ettiquette as far as editing articles...so I just posted here.
The list is much better, but what about when Claire drew it on her notebook? -- Lostcause365 18:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
sHE SAID SHE TOOK BIOLOGY IN UNEXPECTIED SHE COULD HAVE SEEN A PICURE OF IT AND DOODLED IT...MAYBE- RED 4/4
Where do we want to go with this information anyway? The last edit is "there is something resembling a helix floating there." I mean, we're now up to "I think I saw something that may look something like the helix". Why should we need to know every single moment the helix appears? I'd take all these off of the article. -- Lyverbe 13:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Question: Why did you remove my addition of a place where the Helix appears? In my case it was not "something resembling a helix", but a clear helix drawn on the edge of Claire's book. Who decides that some instances should be mentioned and some not? Who decices that some instances are more important than others? xvrbx 18 April 2007
Choosing what is important or not regarding Helix sighting is Subjective. Remove them all or include them all, anything else has an unneutral POV. It's not anyone's right to decide if any sighting is more or less important unless it has a physical plot point involved (for instance the Helix that appears whenever Jessica is in control of Niki's body). (Just my two cents) Jacobshaven3 11:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently re-watched several of the episodes to look for the "helix" shapes. I still think the drawing on Claire's notebook is significant. It is a clear drawing of the helix. (My personal favourite is the one floating in the pool @ the house where Parkman first demonstrates his power formed by a hose and 3 pool toys). Conversely, maybe a section called "Helix Appearances/References/Stylised Appearances/Shaped Objects needs to be created to house all of these non plot-important Helix sightings.-- Lostcause365 15:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that a plain list of Helix-shaped symbol appearances in too fansitish (great word BTW). Maybe if there was also speculation about the symbol's meaning that would reek of a fan site. I believe that lists are a part of an encyclopedic article. Your comments, however, are greatly appreciated and respected by myself.-- Lostcause365 18:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the argument that this is an encyclopedic article, and any appearance of the helix is worth mentioning. In any case we shouldn'd be discussing this thing over and over. Let's agree on a decision :) xvrbx 19 April 2007
Think about it this way; if you would be reading this article for the first time and you'd get to this list of helix appearances, would you honestly start reading every line of this section? would you actually care to know about this? I wouldn't. -- Lyverbe 12:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
At this point the argument seems very speculative. I would think it would be better to include none of the specific sightings since including them all would clearly be a waste of space. The symbol has not had any impact on the plot yet and so we assume that it is some kind of foreshadowing or it could be just some NBC put in for fun. 70.7.107.165 07:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
It is on Hana's ring in the new graphic novel.
Count me in the camp of either all or nothing, on the grounds of subjectivity/objectivity reasons. As with all art in whatever form, it means different things to different people. I actually came here looking for where others have seen the figure; I was going to add in Mohinder's/Chandra's "algorith," the hose and misc. objects in the pool, and any others I happen to come across as I view the recent Sci-Fi marathon. But then I saw what I thought at the time was an absurd SGML comment about not adding that stuff. My personal hope would be to see anything and everything, but in reading the Wikipedia's guidelines on trivia, I can see this is clearly discouraged, and more appropriate for some other site. Joe 00:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Helix found in the last episode be noted as in episode "Generations", rather than "How to Stop an Exploding Man"? It was part of the preview of "Generations". It was also on the sword that the japanese warrior had. Does this mean he is Kensei?
Packerbacker89
20:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Ando was removed because:
"It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the writers and NBC put down as fact."
I must object to this reasoning. I believe what we think (or "see" more specifically) is MORE important than the "official channel." We would not limit our coverage of a political candidate, or a country (lets say Iran) to the "official" agency line - Why are we imposing this same limitation here? If someone is watching the show and wants information on a character etc making this article a strict subset of "official" line only serves to deprecate us. A Wikipedia entry, to my understanding, is to be a living entity, if the show does something to change the facts then the article can can change to reflect it. It should never exclude information for the SOLE reason that NBC did. The fact is that Ando gets screen time and Simone doesn't. The fact the NBC has made Simone a "main character" may promote her onto the page - but the fact that they have slighted Ando should not be enough reason to remove him.
Spandox 14:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
It is not a question of slighting Ando, but rather one of accurately reporting the facts. If Jow Shmoe was a minor character actor who nonetheless was prominently featured in a movie, would you want us to list him in the credits labeled as Starring In, or only in the Full Cast or Also Appearing? It is a question of contracts and production. Yes, Simone got killed off as the story evovled. This does not change the fact that she was originally hired to be a Main Cast character, and Ando was hired as a a supporting player regardless of how the story has changed since production started. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 14:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Historical data is interesting, likewise who the NBC thinks is a main character is interesting. It should NOT be the only dictate as to who is actually important - and who makes it on the page. This is not a static, set in stone article - this is Wikipedia. Should Simone fall off the screen (stop getting any airtime) she can fall off the article - Ando is currently in every episode that Hiro is in - he deserves his spot in the character listing - this may change in the future. When it does he can be moved into the footnotes. The section being commented on here is the Character's section - not the historical data. My objection is NOT to Simone being there - it is to the attitude that Ando cannot. Spandox 15:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Let me more direct response to Bill's comment - for he does indeed have a completely valid argument (just not one I ascribe to - but valid). Who is on the credits - although interesting is a matter of contract negotiations etc. It is not a matter of who is important to the movie. Janet Leigh is in all of the posters for Psycho (the 1960's movie) - She dies 10 minutes in - that was publicity. There is two types of data here. The "what is on the screen" and the "what is behind it." The fact that the actor that played Ando didn't negotiate a "main character" billing is worthy of noting - it, however, doesn't seem to be affecting his time spent on screen, and his level of involvement in the plot. Yes, he is a sidekick - but he is in almost every episode. I am sure NBC would love us to only report the "meta-data" the stuff that they spoon feed us. Truth be told what actually ends up on the screen is more important - the meta-data is for production footnotes. Maybe there should be an asterix next to some people's names saying that NBC considers there people to be main characters. This, however, should not be the only consideration for their appearence here (in the Wiki article). If NBC wants Ando to not be on the character list they have full control over that - stop making him important to the plot and stop giving him screen time. When Simone died a lot of people were "meh, so what." Should Ando die I am sure a letter writing compaingn would start that very day to get him back. He is important to the plot, he is important to the fans - the fact that the actor did not negotiate for a "main character" slot is the least important thing possible. If it doesn't affect ther show it is a footnote - not a reason for exclusion.
Spandox
15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
main means principle http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/main character means 10. a person represented in a drama, story, etc. 11. a part or role, as in a play or film. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/character i beleive this describes Ando well -- Aaronpark 21:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
The real issue here is not that NBC considers Ando to not be a main character, it's that the show itself credits the actor as a guest star. You can see this at the beginning of every episode that Ando is in, at the beginning of the first act (after the teaser, the show logo, and the first set of commercials). Even though he is often the first or second guest star listed, he's still just a guest star. -- ΨΦorg 22:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
yes but the issue is not guest star or star, it is main character or not. and by all definitions accept the official NBC word he is a main character-- Aaronpark 20:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Possible solution waht if we changed it from saying "main characters" to saying "important characters" than it would be perfectly reasonable to add ando-- Aaronpark 21:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
What everyone from the TV series end says/writes can apparently change. Jack Coleman is listed as a guest star in the early episodes, but now is listed along with all the other actors/actresses. ...speaking of which...I don't understand how a major villan like Gabriel Gray/Sylar/Zachary Quinto is a "guest star," but I guess that's betwen Mr. Quinto, any of his management/representation, and those who produce the show. Joe 00:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if someone has mentioned this, but... I was under the impression that the main character was someone who events revolved around. As such, perhaps Hiro is a main character, as he is often a driving force to make things happen, but as has been said previously, Ando is a sidekick. A supporting character. As the journey Hiro took was, in fact, Hiro's, it doesn't really place Ando in any "main character" role. Originally, he was just Hiro's friend in Japan, and wasn't until Hiro took him with him to America that Ando really did anything notable. And even then, it wasn't that big. As opposed to Bennet, who certainly started off as a secondary character who showed up in various characters' stories (not unlike Linderman), he nevertheless began to have a larger role as the story itself focused on him for good portions of the time. Sorry if this was something of a rant, I just felt it was necessary to point out what a "main character" was. I mean, yeah, Ando is certainly an important character, but it's not necessarily a "starring" role. Now that I think of it, shouldn't we have a section for notable guest stars? -- MasterXiam 23:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems like it would be simple enough merely to note him in a "recurring first season guest stars" section, along with some others. It's not accurate to bill them as the show's stars, but it's also grossly misrepresentative to exclude them. The idea that Ando doesn't belong on the page is ludicrously misinformed. If the same standard were applied to Sylar that is applied to Ando---neither of them are credited as main cast members, after all---then he would not be mentioned on the main page either. It's a subjective judgment to put him up there, since he's deemed important despite being a "guest star." I will be adding a section to include notable guest stars. My standard of evaluation for who makes the list will be (1) guest stars, like Ando and Sylar, enjoy a significant amount of screen time (defined as a majority of episodes, minimum 12), (2) who are played by actors who are otherwise notable (like George Takei Clea DuVall, and Christopher Eccleston's characters), or (3) have appeared on the show and are revealed to have special powers. These will be included on a separate list. Guyminuslife 08:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia guidelines for determining whether a character is "major" or minor are kept intentionally vague. Arguably, Heroes has several major characters who aren't credited as regular cast members. I think screen time is as objective a criterion as any, (this is reflected on, say, IMDB credits, which is the source I used and neglected to cite) and I would say that notable guest actors confer notability to their respective characters. I am, however, not going to get into an add/delete war over this; and besides which, after compiling the list, I felt that it made the character section a bit long anyway. I do think that certain important characters with guest credits are worth putting on the main page---especially Ando---but I'm not going to give myself a headache for the sake of arguing about it. Guyminuslife 08:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do the edits stating Simone's death get removed? It is a confirmed plot element and a part of her character's story.-- Lostcause365 20:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I just don't want a WP:3RR battle going on over a trivial piece of information-- Lostcause365 22:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's another argument for leaving it out...
POTENTIAL SPOILER FOLLOWS
There are now rumours that Simone isn't actually dead, and that she'll return in the season finale. (I'm not suggesting we add this info yet, just mentioning it as yet another reminder that death is so very temporary in television...) -- Ckatz chat spy 04:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The problem I have is with the wording "The main cast, not all of whom have been shown to possess powers, currently consists of:" This should be changed otherwise you'll have edits like the one I made (which obviously got reverted) that moved Simone to the former recurring character list. 68.146.41.17 15:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Could i suggest removing the fact that Nathan Petrelli is Claire Bennet's biological father from the main Heroes page? Personally I don't think the main page should contain any big spoilers as if any new viewer (for example, Heroes won't be shown on terrestial UK television until June) was to come on to this page they stand the risk of ruining future episodes - and the identity of Claire's real father is a big spoiler to read if you've only seen a handful of episodes. By the same token I think its a great thing that it doesn't say beside Simone's name that she's now dead. A little bio info is ok but not to the extent that it actually spoils the enjoyment of the show.
What are your views? < The dead don 18:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not commenting on this specific detail, but in general, we do not censor "spoilers" if they haven't been aired everywhere yet. Whether or not this detail is important enough to warrant mentioning in the main article, I'll leave to you. But once it has aired anywhere in the world, it is fair game.↔ NMajdan• talk 15:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we're missing the larger issue here. This page is to serve as an overview, not to detail specifics about the characters. In fact, once the character blurbs have been established, there should be no need to change them, only to add new characters in season 2 and beyond.-- Lostcause365 17:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
In 0.7% Mrs. Peterilli tells Claire she had her ability. So deoes this means she can heal?- RREDD13 22:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Wait who's Au Co?
Where exactly is this "Congratulations on your marriage to Au Co...." message? - SigmaEpsilon → Σ Ε 17:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The Gitelman document is located at [2] She posted it on 4/10/2007. You may be right ΣΕ, but it seems like an odd coincidence.
What do you mean by different?- RREDD13 02:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How about we remove the dead charater from the home page. We wouldn't delete the entries in the List of characters in Heroes also when we edit the pages we don't have to go through the dead characters?- RREDD13 00:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently added a piece of completely true information to a section in this article, only to find the article had been updated, and this information removed, a few hours later with no real reason or explanation. I'm wondering why this may be? Any light you can shed on this and maybe why this true information was removed would be great. I thought that this would be useful for other readers and fans of the series. Was I wrong in doing this? Cheers.
The information I added under the 'The Helix' heading was:
-- Chaproy 21:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, yes, I see all the furore now. Quite exciting reading really. I am new to this, and now I see how this whole system works. I can't say I understand why some entries are allowed to stay and not others as they are all equal in so far as they refer to the symbol but there you go, not point it dwelling. After reading some of the issues surrounding this matter, and to prevent the further addition and deletion of things from this article (as it seems to be done frequently - much to some people's anger it seems, to which I wholeheartedly sympathsise), I think it would be wise to maybe have another page that lists all sightings of the Helix within the show. Also it is definitely worth stipulating on the page that the current list is by no means definitive and that an exhaustive list could be found elsewhere....follow link to suggested page. This will almost certainly help.-- Chaproy 22:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this sounds like a very sensible resolution. To avoid confusion, I think it is worth stipulating in the main article that all these references can be found in the respective episode guides. And, the list there only displays a handful of examples (I know that it has been said that the current list is supposed to display plot driven examples. This current list, however, is arguable; save that for another time and certainly not here because I doubt anyone is interested). Otherwise, I feel you'll receive a constant barrage of people adding and removing to this list of 'Recurring Elements' demanding explanations and then arguing over which should or should not be included. Anyways, you have my thoughts. Cheers for the replies and input.-- Chaproy 23:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I would love to see a proper listing of all helix sightings. I think they are all important, as the symbol has been repeatedly thrust in our collective faces.-- Lostcause365 00:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
First of all, SigmaEpsilon, chill out. Second of all, as a recommendation, you should read and understand what others have written before you resort to unecessary use of CAPS LOCK and exclamation marks. If I can just copy and paste exactly what my point was above which clearly states (displayed for you again in case you missed it the first time or read above) "...I know that it has been said that the current list is supposed to display plot driven examples. This current list, however, is arguable..." you should hopefully see what my original point was. To explain it plainly, the current list is tenous. Personally, I can't understand why the "catch all" term of "On various paintings by Issac Mendez" holds anymore relevance or plot siginficance than seeing this symbol in a pool, on Suresh's computer screen, on the Haitian's necklace, or as a logo for Primatech Paper, in "Company Man", for example. To say that "the placement of the helix here is more relevant than it's placement there" is laughable. Each sighting of this symbol is equally as significant as the other. Otherwise, what is the point of putting it there in the first place? They are all there for a reason. It seems to me (and to others judging by some of the comments posted here) that too many "fanboys" of this series are too akin to having this article written the way they want it and refuse to listen others points of view. Whether this is true or not is up to others to decide, I'm merely stating my opinion on this. But to finish I'll leave you with one final though from "Lyverbe" who posted this comment on this very discussion page below "...Whatever it is, people must stop edit wars. It's childish...". I give up on this now. Thanks very much for reading thus far.-- Chaproy 01:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This "discussion" is getting more and more personal (ie. name calling) and getting away from the article. Perhaps you both should consider personal messages. -- Lyverbe 13:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't appear at the flags of the sumrai army in the last episode. Instead it appears on the flag of the one samurai (IMHO Kensei) the army wants to fight. I'm not able to correct it - maybe someone is? 84.56.202.209 19:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the cockroach should be included in the list of recurring elements. It is mentioned in the first episode in Mohinder Suresh's lecture, where he proposes that if God made anything in God's own image, it would be a cockroach. It then appears at least several times throughout the series thus far (such as when Sylar is being held in the hidden cell in Primatech Paper). Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? How often should something appear in order to be considered a recurring element? Zorander22 02:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Though it may appear more than once... not once has it been a plot-important figure. You could just as easily say that "every hero dies with their eyes open" is a recurring element (which it is not, just a coincidence)-- Lostcause365 15:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused, the Cockroach is about as recurring as the eclipse, it does seem to be a 'theme' they have running through season 1, the first 2 episodes of season 1, both when Sylar and Matt were heald at Primatech Paper and at the end of "Volume 1". I don't see how you can make the arguement that the The eclipse is a reccuring element, but the Cockroach isn't because it's not plot important. What plot significance does the eclipse actually have? I think at the very least it is worth a mention somewhere on the page Zurtex
"Net Theories" are simply that, theories. And the graphic novels are inked to the Heroes series as a whole, expanding the Heroes' universe. The scar is something that are proved over and over that are something created by the plot. But the cockroach still has to be shown as something related or told by the producers/writers that are something related to the plot. Garavello 22:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
As I said: The GN are part of the Heores series, as its expands and explains some occurrences (the connection between Linderman and the Petrellis for example and how Ted escaped and discovered about the hypo gun). It's not separate entities, the GNs are continuations of the series. Just like the Heroes 360 Experience, it's something that completes and expands the heroes TV Series, and doing so, can be related to the series itself without problem.
And the eclipse is mentioned by NBC on its page [3] and by Tom Kring himself [4], so it's a element related to the plot.
So far, no writer/producer talked about the cockroach as being something important to the plot. Garavello 23:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think people are forgetting that the cockroach isn't just seen with Sylar. It was seen when Parkman was imprisoned in the company's interrogation rooms.
It's nice to know that other people agree with me that the Cockroach is a recurring theme. However, I've already been messaged directly telling me that I am in violation of WikiLaw by adding in the section continuously, even though they seem to ignore the continuous undos of other Wiki users (whose actions are also in violation of WikiLaw). If some other people would like to re-add the cockroach seciton, or add one of their own, PLEASE DO and do not let a few overzealous editors control the state of the page. tendim 05:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
An interesting article about the significance of the cockroach can be found here: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/heroes-zach-quinto-confirmed-f-7406.aspx
I'm looking to see how much support/opposition there would be if I created a separate page for The Recurring Elements. The reason I ask instead of going ahead and doing it is because some people will just revert it and I'm not wasting my time if that is going to happen. This page will give a place to all of those NON plot-intrinsic occurances (and about that, how come nobody mentioned the "eclipse in the hospital light" thing as cruft?), as well as highlight all of the important ones. -- Lostcause365 17:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The eclips is going to happen the day the bomb/exploding man happens. it just seems a bit obvious to me. -wonder
Are they working on including http://yamagatofellowship.org/index.shtml Kaito Nakamura's website? and doesn't Linderman have one too and also Nathan P.? OuryLN 23:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that this show is clearly influenced by and probably inspired by the X-Men films? Tayquan holla My work 02:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There is an erro in the article. In the right menu, there are 23 episodes.
A few weeks ago, someone posted the list on the recurring elements page. It was taken down about five minutes later. Why is that? I think the list i extremely important. The third story arc of tghe series was based on the list. Also, I think we need to change the Primatech paper page to the COMPANIES Page. Wouldnt that make more sense, because a lot of the company was revealed in the HARD PART and we know Linderman has ties to the company, primatech and thompson. Please consider adding these important elements to the show. I think THE LIST would be interesting to have posted, because tim kring has been taking names off the list and making them minor characters like sparrow, candice wilmer and charlise andrews —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.220.243 ( talk) 05:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
If anyone can find any extra infomation on this new spinoff, please add it to the article. thanks. dposse 17:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The helix appears in the phonebook for the bladesmith entry. That should be added.
Surely he's a formerly escaped criminal? If Peter is a former nurse, after all. Berym 23:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
If you're going to edit the section on DL, please note why you have. He, like Peter Petrelli, is a -former-. If Peter is a former nurse, DL is just as rightly so a former criminal (since he has been cleared of all charges). Berym 10:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really sure how to do this, but all of the information about the season 1 DVD of Heroes has been released if someone would like to post it. Thanks! Here is the link: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7322 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajwhales2007 ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
I was thinking over the edit made by Thedemonhog today about Ando being one "most notable recurring character" among Sylar. I really don't see why it can't be that way, neither I see that is "not our call", as Ckatz said when reversing. Ithink if it's not our call to consider Ando one of the most notable, then it's not our call to determine Sylar as the "most notable" (after all, what would be the criteria for one being most notable than the other?). What do you guys think? I would prefer either Ando and Sylar being noted as "most notable" or neither of them there. Garavello 03:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 08:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)"The main antagonist in season one is Sylar ( Zachary Quinto), a serial killer who hunts "heroes" in order to take their abilities. The series also features many guest and recurring characters, including friends and family of the main cast, criminals and villains, and other individuals with remarkable powers."
I guess that way is better. The issue of "main", "important" characters are giving so much trouble that we better avoid using that definition without a official source. I would rephrase "heroes" for something like "super-powered individuals", as not every person hunted and/or killed by Sylar was a "hero" (unknown victims and Eden McCain for example). Garavello 15:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
My opinion is that we should be listing the notable characters, it's irrelevant if they're: main, recurring or guest stars. Verifiability, not fact; if it's verifiable that the character is notable and encyclopaedic, then there's no reason they can't be listed here. Matthew 16:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to add something to the Emerson Lawsuit section.
On May 20th, 2007 when Sci-Fi Channel aired the Heroes Marathon, the scene where Claire Bennet placed her hand in the emerson garbage disposol was NOT edited out of the scene. It was shown as it was originally shown on NBC. I think that needs to be noted. Chrisisinchrist 21:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how many of you are still hard over about Heroes Wiki, but I figured you guys should know: A few of the members of the Heroes production team, and a few of the actors and actresses of the show, have accounts there. Beyond that, one of the lead admins, RyanGibsonStewart, had a night club named after him in the the most recent Graphic Novel, The Death of Hana Gitleman. (RGS) - Tim Sale himself has mentioned Ryan in his blog, thanking him for help with research.
Just hope you guys realize this means it's not a shithole of a website, that it IS a good source. Otherwise, such people wouldn't be there. -Rob
If anyone knows (via a reliable source) when the premiere for Volume Two, entitled "Generations," is supposed to air for the first time, please add this information to this article. Considering that this is an ongoing series, and a second season is already guaranteed by NBC, it would make sense to include the expected premiere date of Volume Two (when it becomes known officially of course). Homologeo 06:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
September 24th is when Volume 2 is coming back. Also the DVD of Season 1 is coming out August 28th. I know for a fact that Volume 2 is returning on September 24th because on the Heroes Myspace it says Heroes returns September 24th, they even have a timer counting down the day,hours,minutes,and seconds. Knight Whitefire 02:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I was a bit suprprised that noone had commented on this before?
A couple of things seems very inspired by Watchmen apart from the fact that both are attempts to take a more serious approach to superheroes than the standard fare:
(Spoliers here)
Heroes : A mysterious and powerful group that has lost their belief in humanity wants to cause an explosion in new york that will cause the death of million and trigger the uniting of people (under their new leader). All for the greater good. Watchmen : A former masked crime fighter (think batman or such) has constructed a fake alien that will be teleported into new york causing the death of millions thus stopping the nuclear threat and uniting the people in world in the fight against the nonexistant alien invaders. All for the greater good.
Heroes : One of the main villains is a watchmaker that can pick a part people to learn their powers, has the fixing of watches as a reocurring theme. Watchmen : One of the main characters Dr Manhattan (indeed the only one with superpowers) is a watchmakers son that learns how to put himself together after a nuclear blast, watches and cogs are a reocurring and important subject in regards to his charater.
Also note that Watchmen is *the* comic to read if you would want to make a tv series about superheroes so I would mark it of as impossible that the makers of heroes hasnt read Watchmen.
I'm sure someone else can comment more on this?
Found this outside wiki: http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007/entertainment/heroes_pulls_rug_from_under_watchmen_entertainment_stephen_lynch.htm
Now that we have a clear picture of all the events of season one, a major rewrite of all character articles is needed. We can take huge articles like Hiro and Peter down to perhaps five or six paragraphs. But please, DO NOT just go deleting things all willy nilly. People who decide to take on this project must have a logical plan that will allow those paragraphs to fully explain his character and what he goes through, albet in a more condensed way. Thanks. dposse 16:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Kirby Plaza has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss it at the AFD page. Thanks. dposse 22:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I've seen people mentioning the official web comic as references for fictional canon in the Heroes universe (ie things that happen in the official web comic supposedly happened in between television episodes). While I'd like to think that this is true, I can't actually find any official statements to that effect and there are some minor inconsistencies between events in the comics and events in the series. So I'd be more comfortable accepting the web comics as actual references for the official continuity of the television series if someone can find a statement backing up that assertion. Dugwiki 23:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Also if the graphic novels aren't "official stuff", why would NBC post them on the official site? Plus, it's more than proved that certains things are explained only in the novels (like how they recaptured Sylar after Eden killed herself or how Ted found about the "isotope gun") and are part of the plot. Garavello 05:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Source: Talk to the producers at comicbookresources.com...You will find your answer at that website.
What discrepancies are there between the Comics and the actual programme? I've read them all and can't recall one which had different facts... Jacobshaven3 10:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Here's another doozy...a recent web comic shows the origin of Candace, which depicts her as someone who's overweight and has really bad acne, but casts enough illusions to convince people otherwise. That being said, in the season ending episode where she's knocked out, wouldn't she revert back to her "Betty" form? Toquinha 16:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the show deserving of a Wikiquotes page? I think so... Chozen1 17:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I've posted a note here on the Heroes project page. It is in regards to an editor who has embarked on a unilateral campaign to eliminate most individual episode articles. Please read it and help discuss how to approach the matter. Thanks. -- Ckatz chat spy 05:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Tonight (Thursday) heroes is on at 8:30pm, AEST, as I believe was the case last week. This is in response to the editor who asked when it was on thursdays in Australia. WookMuff 05:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia Discussions, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the Helix was also seen..
- Drawn on the bottom of CLAIRE's geometry book in one of the early episodes - On the poker chips used in the LINDERMAN casino —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sariandra ( talk • contribs)
Can an account user please add this to the "Critical Acclaim" section: On June 5, 2007, Heroes was nominated the Television Critics Association in three categories: Program of the Year, Outstanding Achievement in Drama, and Outstanding New Program of the Year. Source (Press Release): "Television Critics Association Announces 2007 Award Nominees" http://tvcritics.org/?q=node/201
should syler be on the list of main charaters? Kiran90 03:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone interested in expanding the production notes section of the article should check it out:
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/
It's really extensive, but if you have the time, browse through it and see what can be added to the article.
Also, my apologies if this has been brought up before.
The no erz
09:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any basis for this? The show was very clear that Ted was confused when he thought that the company gave him his powers. Matt used his powers before being abducted and showed no significant imporvement immediately afterwards. I think that line should be deleted. ( Slick023 11:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC))
An editor has requested deletion review on this template after a decision was made to delete the template at TfD. You are invited to participate in the discussion at the DRV if you so wish, see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 4#Template:Dated episode notability. The original TfD is located at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 June 24#Template:Dated episode notability. Ursasapien (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I like it. I don't find it bulky and rather find it cleaner than a big block of characters. Ckatz, you should discuss before selfishly remove somebody's hard work because you don't like it. Who knows, you might be alone not liking it. -- Lyverbe 11:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I did a little work in my sandbox trimming down the table and came up with this version of the table. It should display cleanly for most people. EvilCouch 05:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed throughout the series that at several times the background music contains what sounds like a prepared piano, and sounds extremely similar to John Cage's works with the instrument. Is there any info about that? ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 12:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know the music playing at the begining of series one, episode three? Jamesigoe 12:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)JamesIgoe Aug 14 13:23
"A move to the 8.30 Thursday timeslot in the cities of Sydney and Brisbane has seen a significant increase in its numbers in those markets, especially in Brisbane." Not really. There was barely an increase. Ratings can be found at tribal mind
Does anyone know the music playing at the begining of series one, episode three?
Jamesigoe
12:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)JamesIgoe Aug 14 13:23
It was already mentioned before and I think that division by seasons (like it is done in many other series) helps organizing information. At this point I'm only concerned in adding information about the plans for Season 2 like release date and it's connection with Origins but that approach should work better for next seasons and even for other topics that are relevant to the series and not a specific season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.222.103 ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
SigmaEpsilon if you are unhappy with edits other users are making, use the talk page to discuss this. Do not just revert edits if you are unable to point to a policy, a consensus or some other reason why this edit should not be made. -- 84.178.98.178 13:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I rewatched the pilot the other day. No mention of "Volume 1". Just Chapter 1: Genesis. Milchama 03:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
DVD section reads like an advert. Mention the unaired pilot's inclusion, if anything, and get rid of the rest. -- 24.19.144.93 06:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
You don't have Simone's Dad down here as a character of any sort, yet he is a pivotal plot device for Peter, letting Peter acquire his own ability to use dreams as a medium for showing people premonitions and historical events, like the conversation between himself and Angela Petrelli on his balcony. Those abilities and events where crucial to Peter's decisions during the season 1 finale. Shouldn't he get mentioned as a secondary (or tertiary) character? 64.90.198.6 18:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Duckingham 18:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I mean to say that Charles Deveaux is not mentioned on the Heroes (TV Series) page in either of the 2 lists of characters that are part of it. Y is that? 64.90.198.6 19:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i875ea62c3f121f746d26fd652250bd82
Not sure if it should be mentionned in the article... -- Lyverbe 16:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I just got the latest TV Guide with a feature article about Heroes and a few hints regarding Season 2. I will try to come back and add some specific info in the next few days. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 06:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Smith will direct the pilot episode of Heroes: Origins. It will premiere on April. In Heroes there will be a new female character named Monica from New Orleans. Heroes will also be released as a comic I think by DC. It is confirmed that Alex Ross and Jim Lee will do the art for some of the covers. I read all this in a reliable site and I didn't know if you were aware of this new info. I hope I was of help. —Preceding
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This article is over 32 kb long. I think that we can split off the recurring elements section into its own article at this point. If there are no objections I am going to do so. -- iTocapa t 03:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is it here? I'm seeing that tv show articles are getting rid of these lists. Wikipedia is not a tv guide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.61.130.230 ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we put the season 2 cast up yet? They were announced at Comic-Con 2007. They are: Ali Larter, Jack Coleman, Hayden Panettiere, Noah Gray-Cabey, Adrian Pasdar, Masi Oka, Milo Ventimiglia, Greg Grunberg, James Kyson Lee, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Greg Grunberg, Dania Ramirez, David Anders Specialk22 17:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
In regards to this issue, I think we should take a cue from the Lost page, and have the "Cast and characters" section be a section describing the original cast, and how it has been changed over the seasons (what characters have died, what new characters have been introduced, etc.). That way, we can save the cast list for the character page only, since I think it would be somewhat redundant to have it on both pages. Just my $0.02. -- iTocapa t 18:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I just looked at the updated list, and is it certain that Dana Davis is a regular? I don't recall her ever being announced as a regular, but I might've missed that announcement. The only new regulars I heard abotu were Quinto, Ramirez, Anders and Kyson Lee. Violetion 13:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of creating another archive and realized the archive box is bigger than some articles ;). When looking at the archives, I saw that most of them were done way too fast, like archives with very few topics in them. By the dates, archives #2 to #9 (inclusively) have a span of only a month worth of stuff.
What I'm thinking of doing is merge from #3 to #9 into #2, and merge #11 to #13 into #10. That would greatly reduce the size of the archive box, that thing nobody ever use :) Objections? -- Lyverbe 11:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
There are so many actors who left months ago or have been confirmed dead and they're still on the main cast list, why? Isn't it time that got updated? There are heaps of new regulars too that should be added.
They're not on the main cast anymore, so why do they need to be on the sidebar under main cast?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.17.43 ( talk • contribs) 03:39, August 11, 2007
Please add warnings before and after each. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.66.59 ( talk • contribs)
New posts go at the end. Also if the show has aired it isn't considered a Spoiler anymore regardless where you are. ≈
Seraph
09:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC) PS. Please sign your posts.
I added the spoiler warnings and they were removed with the comment "rm redundant tags section will clearly contain spoilers". I don't get it. The warnings are nowhere, so why are they considered "redundant"? -- Lyverbe 11:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Readers are expected to understand that an encyclopedia section titled "Main characters: Season two" will contain spoiler material about the characters in Season two. -- Ckatz chat spy 17:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)"Articles about fictional characters, objects, or places can be expected to include significant elements of the story. They should only contain spoiler warnings around specific details that a reader might not expect to come across."
I added the tags back, given that the majority clearly supports them. -- YellowTapedR 04:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
WP:SPOILER also does say "where consensus demonstrates the need for their use." So hey, let's do a straw poll and see what the consensus is. I'm willing to go with consensus either way.
Should there be either a {{ spoiler}} or {{ current fiction}} tag placed on second season information until the information is aired?.
I didn't realize that none of these episodes have aired. On the Harry Potter book, for example, we didn't have any plot summary in the article (it was removed) until the book was released, on the principle that there was no way to verify the information. The source given for the info here seems to me to be a fan/rumor site, as the official site is http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/ . It seems to me that the plot/cast information here that isn't on the official website (which I do trust as a reliable source for the show) should be removed until it can be verified from the show itself. This is another example of a phenomenon noted by JzG once: on forthcoming works, {{ spoiler}} is often a substitute for {{ original research}}. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the characters that are in a show doesn't have too much to do with what NBC says are the cast of a show. Whatever NBC says, it's really inexcusable to not have Ando in the characters list, not to mention Linderman, Ted, and other such significant characters. You could always rename that section "Cast" and have a seperate section for "Other Significant Characters". Anyways, it's pretty late for me here, but maybe I'll create an account and/or take a more active role in Wikipedia from now on. (I dunno) 207.172.135.71 07:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the plot summary section is too long for each season. I know I should not compare this article to the LOST article, but they seem to be able to sum up an entire 23 ep season in a few sentences, whereas, we here seem to do it in several paragraphs. Can it be summed down to give the two or three basic plot points, without giving detail to the characters story and development, which can be read on a character page or episode synopsis?-- 76.168.220.243 ( talk) 20:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)