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Are we sure that File:Hermionegrangerdrawing.jpg is (a) not copyvio'd and (b) belongs on here? As it is a fan drawing, I see the possibility of abuse on this and many other Harry Potter articles (i.e. they could potentially simply become fan-art galleries) jglc | t | c 14:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hermione's age has been subject to a great deal of debate, but Rowling has updated her site today with the answer: Hermione was nearly twelve years old when she started school because "you must be at least eleven to attend Hogwarts." aec 20:38, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It is worth noting that her third year must have subjectively lasted considerably longer than for her classmates, and given even a conservative estimate of eight extra hours per day, she would belong in a different year than her classmates afterwards. Is there any evidence of exactly how much extra time she used? Furthermore, none of her birthdays have been celebrated on the correct date since then. Poor Hermione.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.1.152.158 ( talk) 11:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Regarding the Time Turner ... OotP indicates that there are seven periods in the school day, making 35 a week. (OotP is the only book in which Harry has a viable timetable that can be written down, exactly as JKR describes it, without breaking the laws of physics or using magic.) Core subjects seem to require four periods a week (except Astronomy, which probably has two for theory plus the midnight practical), and options seem to take only three. So a third-year student who takes ten subjects would spend 26 periods a week on the seven core subjects plus 9 periods a week on the options, which adds up to exactly 35.
Hermione will need an extra 6 hours a week for her two additional options. She keeps this up for 23 weeks (138 hours) then drops Divination. She continues to use the Time Turner for another 3 hours a week for 8 weeks (24 hours). She also takes an extra 6 hours for her two exam clashes, and 3 hours to rescue Sirius Black. That's a total of 171 hours, or slightly over one week.
So it seems that Hermione has lost 27 days net by the end of her third year at Hogwarts. I wouldn't worry; she seems to have made up the missed homework ..." [1]
I don't feel particularly strongly about it, I just want to say that the anonymous contributor made a good point. I am normally an inclusionist, but the origin of Hermione's name seems to be nothing more than non-encyclopedic trivia. Harry Potter is not the Matrix or Lord of the Rings (if we limit ourselves to popular culture) and Rowling is not writing some deep work with many layers and interpretations. The books are rather shallow and there is nothing of interest behind her naming decisions. The spells betray this simplistic approach - if there was access to Wikipedia in Hogwarts, it would have commands like Pageus Aeditus. :) I checked the Hermione (mythology) page and I don't see anything terribly relevant. There is little symbolism in the books and I don't see why we should pay so much attention to the minutae in an general-purpose encyclopedia. Paranoid 14:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There are several reasons:
Please agree with me and post your comments on this . ^^
--
Mmlcs36
14:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
True; however, Mary Grand Pre's illustrations are really no more definitive. Only about half of HP's global audience actually uses the Scholastic editions. The rest use Bloomsbury's (which have no internal illustrations) or invent their own. My main concern with using only the film versions is that it creates confusion between the novels and the movies, which are quite different from each other in many ways. Also, what is the copyright status on all of these movie images? Serendipitous 15:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Can we use "Fair use" to be the reason?-- Mmlcs36 09:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I belive we should use Fanart for SOME pictures. Maybe one picture oF Emma Watson, Because Hermione is Portrayed by Emma Watson.
If you want my honest opinion, we should get some illustrations for Miss Granger for Books 5 and 6. Ms. GrandPré's would work fine. OneWeirdDude 19:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Its a shame if it was: anyone know if it a clip from the film, since it would then presumably be fair use? What we have at the moment does not look at all like Hermione, rather more an advertidement for the actress. Sandpiper 22:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Does Hermione Have any friends other than Harry and Ron? Well, there's Ginny (Ron's little sister). But aside from the two boys she meets on her first day (on the Hogwarts Express) who does she ever become friends with? Uncle Ed 20:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hermione must have other friends beside Harry, Ron and Ginny because she dosn't start hanging out with harry and ron untill after Halloween in the first book. To name some of Hermione's other friends there is: Neville Longbottom, Lavender Brown, Hagrid, both the Patil twins, all of the Professors (Not Snape) and lots more of the other boys and girls of Hogwarts school that aren't name in the books. Metz 12:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Hermione is not based on J. K. Rowling as a teenager. Rowling has written that Hermione's personality is similar to her own at a young age, but insists that she has only ever based one character (Gilderoy Lockhart) on a real person.
Friends? Probably Neville too.
Ron breaks up with Lavender a few weeks later, and although it is never mentioned explicitly, it seems that Hermione and Ron have, at last, acknowledged their romantic interest in each other.
I Don't belive that is an appripriate fact, for many reasons. First, I don't belive they have acknowledged their romantic interest in each other. It is possible, but atleast not to each other. Sensible Hermione will think the thing Harry though: What if it doesn't work out? Their friendship would be Totally ruined. Plus, I see no proof that Ron OR Hermione has come to relisation one likes the other. And Finally, I do not belive we should auto-reason Hermione and Ron get together. There is still one book left. J.K. Rowling throws us curveballs alot. I don't think we should rule out the possiblilities.
ES: We thought it was clearer than ever that Harry and Ginny are an item and Ron and Hermione — although we think you made it painfully obvious in the first five books —
JKR: [points to herself and whispers] So do I! ES: What was that? JKR: [More loudly] Well so do I! So do I! ...SNIP... JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy - [All crack up] JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet... |
She has sunk the H.M.S. Harmony. *sniff* *brightening up* unless it was a red herring! That's it! A red herring! HA! Stupid Ron/Hermione shippers on their stupid H.M.S. Harlod or something.
The profusion of pictures in the article, to say nothing of the POV captions, are both in contravention with normal Wiki guidelines. Please see Wikipedia:Image#Image choice and placement, WP:STYLE, and WP:NPOV for further details. → Ξxtreme Unction { yakł blah} 22:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Editing for for Phoenicity :D ShardPhoenix 14:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some of the image placement yesterday and it was reverted, after changing the size of my browser window I can see why the revert was done. The page renders fine if you use a pretty narrow browser window size. However when viewed in a slightly larger window the imaged cascade accross the screen because the text that comes with them does not reach all the way to the bottom of the image causing the next image not to be left justified. This can be fixed using {{clear}} But that causes excess whitspace in the article for some browser windo sizes. If there is a solution other than the one I tried and had reverted that will cause the images to go left justified but the text flow around them that would be nice. Or better yet ditch some of the images. Hermione != Emma Watson I think we shold at least replace the image at the top with a drawing, I don't know about how fair use applies but one fomr one of the book covers might do. In the mean time I will add the clear tags. Dalf | Talk 22:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about mentioning Hermione's unusually large and prominent "buck teeth", which are repeatedly mentioned in the novels (but not so much in the screenplays). Perhaps in the context of an ironic offshoot from the point that her Muggle parents are both dentists, and moreover that Hermione ended up getting them reduced herself at Hogwarts (Goblet of Fire). But we surely don't want to upset the "wiki editing guild" here - for all I know, someone else already mentioned her teeth (prior to Ron noticing they were reduced in GoF), and The Guild later removed it.
Thoughts about mentioning Hermione's teeth ... ?
OK, I'll do it. Serendipodous 00:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Does this really matter? Can we not just accept the fact that this is an open-source document available to the entire English speaking world, and that some areas will have different spelling conventions than others? Serendipodous 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this article, particularly the opening paragraphs, is getting a bit too wordy. It could definitely use some trimming. Serendipodous 17:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Aren't the parts of this article about her roles in the books a bit too long? Shouldn't they be shortened down to a reasonable length? Emily 22:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
At the very end of CoS, when Hermione returns to the mess hall, she publicly humiliates the little red Ron by refusing to hug him, unlike Potter. What is the hidden meaning of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.32.136 ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
2006 (UTC)
She doesn't have a crush on him any-more, but I believe, for the first four books, she did. It makes sence. Seven-point-Mystic 18:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and I read that essay. Great stuff, great stuff. Seven-point-Mystic 18:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
But Hermione isn't a fictional heroine- Harry is the hero, and she's behind him all the way. Her shining moments are when she's being the best "sidekick" possible- she is smart and clever, but she's a sidekick, nothing more. I think that's why someone removed her from that category. Don't you guys agree? Emily ( Funtrivia Freak) 18:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this category for a third time (in about 5 months) though it usually gets added back (by one or two people) winthin a short time. I think the category in question since it refers to fiction, is a litarary one. In terms of litrary criticism Hermione is by no streach of the imagination the heroine of the books. I Would like anyone wishing to re-add it to come up with some sort of reliable source that says that Hermione is the herione of the books. There have been many books writeen (well a few) about Harry Potter, if it exists I suspect it will not be hard to find. Dalf | Talk 07:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I have altered the article slightly, due to some rather biased personal opinions creeping in about Hermione's "justified" actions in physically attacking Ron with canaries. I don't think it is the place of an encyclopedia to make moral judgements on the actions of characters, especially where opnions differ so much - it is an issue which should be down to the opinion of the reader.
"Many at the school have teased her for her looks, including, on one occasion, Professor Snape."
Exactly how many and who? I can only think of Draco Malfoy and Pansy Parkinson. 70.52.228.43 22:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the removal of 'Joanne' as being derived from 'John', because it is reputedly short for Josephine Anne, I quote 'Oxford Minidictionary of First Names': "Joanne: (F) Old French Feminine form of 'John', which gave rise to the simplified English spelling 'Joan'. This form, with its markedly more feminine spelling, was revived in the early 2oth cent. It has to some extent been influenced by the independently formed combination Jo Anne." Michaelsanders 15:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I remember that some time ago there was a pic in here from Hermione wearing her beautiful dress from the Yule ball. Where has that gone? It was the best of all the pix! -- Maxl 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
One of our otherwise faithful editors has repeated inserted the following in the main introductory paragraph, and I for one do not understand why it belongs:
I have repeatedly removed the parenthetical insertion for the following reasons:
I am cleaning up this section, trying to make it encyclopedic, and removing the "offending" material. This is NOT a personal attack on the editor, who has otherwise been a very faithful and productive member of the HP "editing staff", and who has been removing vandalism and such. But please do not re-add parenthetical dangling personal commentaries and observations of this sort to sentences in the main article, without clearly explaining why they belong in the encyclopedia. Thanks! -- T-dot 13:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it bother anyone else that:
Dalf | Talk 21:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I was about to remove the last anon add to the article,
Many rumours are that Hermione and Ron may indeed get together!
but decided to leave it, since it is referring to book 7, and it is ALL rumours at this point. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. 07:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be necessary to upload the image of Hermione Granger that turned into a cat after drinking a potion, although her cat appearance ONLY appears in the Chamber of Secrets and put it under the Chamber of Secrets headline. -- PJ Pete
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Are we sure that File:Hermionegrangerdrawing.jpg is (a) not copyvio'd and (b) belongs on here? As it is a fan drawing, I see the possibility of abuse on this and many other Harry Potter articles (i.e. they could potentially simply become fan-art galleries) jglc | t | c 14:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hermione's age has been subject to a great deal of debate, but Rowling has updated her site today with the answer: Hermione was nearly twelve years old when she started school because "you must be at least eleven to attend Hogwarts." aec 20:38, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It is worth noting that her third year must have subjectively lasted considerably longer than for her classmates, and given even a conservative estimate of eight extra hours per day, she would belong in a different year than her classmates afterwards. Is there any evidence of exactly how much extra time she used? Furthermore, none of her birthdays have been celebrated on the correct date since then. Poor Hermione.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.1.152.158 ( talk) 11:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Regarding the Time Turner ... OotP indicates that there are seven periods in the school day, making 35 a week. (OotP is the only book in which Harry has a viable timetable that can be written down, exactly as JKR describes it, without breaking the laws of physics or using magic.) Core subjects seem to require four periods a week (except Astronomy, which probably has two for theory plus the midnight practical), and options seem to take only three. So a third-year student who takes ten subjects would spend 26 periods a week on the seven core subjects plus 9 periods a week on the options, which adds up to exactly 35.
Hermione will need an extra 6 hours a week for her two additional options. She keeps this up for 23 weeks (138 hours) then drops Divination. She continues to use the Time Turner for another 3 hours a week for 8 weeks (24 hours). She also takes an extra 6 hours for her two exam clashes, and 3 hours to rescue Sirius Black. That's a total of 171 hours, or slightly over one week.
So it seems that Hermione has lost 27 days net by the end of her third year at Hogwarts. I wouldn't worry; she seems to have made up the missed homework ..." [1]
I don't feel particularly strongly about it, I just want to say that the anonymous contributor made a good point. I am normally an inclusionist, but the origin of Hermione's name seems to be nothing more than non-encyclopedic trivia. Harry Potter is not the Matrix or Lord of the Rings (if we limit ourselves to popular culture) and Rowling is not writing some deep work with many layers and interpretations. The books are rather shallow and there is nothing of interest behind her naming decisions. The spells betray this simplistic approach - if there was access to Wikipedia in Hogwarts, it would have commands like Pageus Aeditus. :) I checked the Hermione (mythology) page and I don't see anything terribly relevant. There is little symbolism in the books and I don't see why we should pay so much attention to the minutae in an general-purpose encyclopedia. Paranoid 14:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There are several reasons:
Please agree with me and post your comments on this . ^^
--
Mmlcs36
14:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
True; however, Mary Grand Pre's illustrations are really no more definitive. Only about half of HP's global audience actually uses the Scholastic editions. The rest use Bloomsbury's (which have no internal illustrations) or invent their own. My main concern with using only the film versions is that it creates confusion between the novels and the movies, which are quite different from each other in many ways. Also, what is the copyright status on all of these movie images? Serendipitous 15:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Can we use "Fair use" to be the reason?-- Mmlcs36 09:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I belive we should use Fanart for SOME pictures. Maybe one picture oF Emma Watson, Because Hermione is Portrayed by Emma Watson.
If you want my honest opinion, we should get some illustrations for Miss Granger for Books 5 and 6. Ms. GrandPré's would work fine. OneWeirdDude 19:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Its a shame if it was: anyone know if it a clip from the film, since it would then presumably be fair use? What we have at the moment does not look at all like Hermione, rather more an advertidement for the actress. Sandpiper 22:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Does Hermione Have any friends other than Harry and Ron? Well, there's Ginny (Ron's little sister). But aside from the two boys she meets on her first day (on the Hogwarts Express) who does she ever become friends with? Uncle Ed 20:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hermione must have other friends beside Harry, Ron and Ginny because she dosn't start hanging out with harry and ron untill after Halloween in the first book. To name some of Hermione's other friends there is: Neville Longbottom, Lavender Brown, Hagrid, both the Patil twins, all of the Professors (Not Snape) and lots more of the other boys and girls of Hogwarts school that aren't name in the books. Metz 12:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Hermione is not based on J. K. Rowling as a teenager. Rowling has written that Hermione's personality is similar to her own at a young age, but insists that she has only ever based one character (Gilderoy Lockhart) on a real person.
Friends? Probably Neville too.
Ron breaks up with Lavender a few weeks later, and although it is never mentioned explicitly, it seems that Hermione and Ron have, at last, acknowledged their romantic interest in each other.
I Don't belive that is an appripriate fact, for many reasons. First, I don't belive they have acknowledged their romantic interest in each other. It is possible, but atleast not to each other. Sensible Hermione will think the thing Harry though: What if it doesn't work out? Their friendship would be Totally ruined. Plus, I see no proof that Ron OR Hermione has come to relisation one likes the other. And Finally, I do not belive we should auto-reason Hermione and Ron get together. There is still one book left. J.K. Rowling throws us curveballs alot. I don't think we should rule out the possiblilities.
ES: We thought it was clearer than ever that Harry and Ginny are an item and Ron and Hermione — although we think you made it painfully obvious in the first five books —
JKR: [points to herself and whispers] So do I! ES: What was that? JKR: [More loudly] Well so do I! So do I! ...SNIP... JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy - [All crack up] JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet... |
She has sunk the H.M.S. Harmony. *sniff* *brightening up* unless it was a red herring! That's it! A red herring! HA! Stupid Ron/Hermione shippers on their stupid H.M.S. Harlod or something.
The profusion of pictures in the article, to say nothing of the POV captions, are both in contravention with normal Wiki guidelines. Please see Wikipedia:Image#Image choice and placement, WP:STYLE, and WP:NPOV for further details. → Ξxtreme Unction { yakł blah} 22:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Editing for for Phoenicity :D ShardPhoenix 14:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some of the image placement yesterday and it was reverted, after changing the size of my browser window I can see why the revert was done. The page renders fine if you use a pretty narrow browser window size. However when viewed in a slightly larger window the imaged cascade accross the screen because the text that comes with them does not reach all the way to the bottom of the image causing the next image not to be left justified. This can be fixed using {{clear}} But that causes excess whitspace in the article for some browser windo sizes. If there is a solution other than the one I tried and had reverted that will cause the images to go left justified but the text flow around them that would be nice. Or better yet ditch some of the images. Hermione != Emma Watson I think we shold at least replace the image at the top with a drawing, I don't know about how fair use applies but one fomr one of the book covers might do. In the mean time I will add the clear tags. Dalf | Talk 22:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about mentioning Hermione's unusually large and prominent "buck teeth", which are repeatedly mentioned in the novels (but not so much in the screenplays). Perhaps in the context of an ironic offshoot from the point that her Muggle parents are both dentists, and moreover that Hermione ended up getting them reduced herself at Hogwarts (Goblet of Fire). But we surely don't want to upset the "wiki editing guild" here - for all I know, someone else already mentioned her teeth (prior to Ron noticing they were reduced in GoF), and The Guild later removed it.
Thoughts about mentioning Hermione's teeth ... ?
OK, I'll do it. Serendipodous 00:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Does this really matter? Can we not just accept the fact that this is an open-source document available to the entire English speaking world, and that some areas will have different spelling conventions than others? Serendipodous 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this article, particularly the opening paragraphs, is getting a bit too wordy. It could definitely use some trimming. Serendipodous 17:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Aren't the parts of this article about her roles in the books a bit too long? Shouldn't they be shortened down to a reasonable length? Emily 22:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
At the very end of CoS, when Hermione returns to the mess hall, she publicly humiliates the little red Ron by refusing to hug him, unlike Potter. What is the hidden meaning of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.32.136 ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
2006 (UTC)
She doesn't have a crush on him any-more, but I believe, for the first four books, she did. It makes sence. Seven-point-Mystic 18:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and I read that essay. Great stuff, great stuff. Seven-point-Mystic 18:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
But Hermione isn't a fictional heroine- Harry is the hero, and she's behind him all the way. Her shining moments are when she's being the best "sidekick" possible- she is smart and clever, but she's a sidekick, nothing more. I think that's why someone removed her from that category. Don't you guys agree? Emily ( Funtrivia Freak) 18:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this category for a third time (in about 5 months) though it usually gets added back (by one or two people) winthin a short time. I think the category in question since it refers to fiction, is a litarary one. In terms of litrary criticism Hermione is by no streach of the imagination the heroine of the books. I Would like anyone wishing to re-add it to come up with some sort of reliable source that says that Hermione is the herione of the books. There have been many books writeen (well a few) about Harry Potter, if it exists I suspect it will not be hard to find. Dalf | Talk 07:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I have altered the article slightly, due to some rather biased personal opinions creeping in about Hermione's "justified" actions in physically attacking Ron with canaries. I don't think it is the place of an encyclopedia to make moral judgements on the actions of characters, especially where opnions differ so much - it is an issue which should be down to the opinion of the reader.
"Many at the school have teased her for her looks, including, on one occasion, Professor Snape."
Exactly how many and who? I can only think of Draco Malfoy and Pansy Parkinson. 70.52.228.43 22:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the removal of 'Joanne' as being derived from 'John', because it is reputedly short for Josephine Anne, I quote 'Oxford Minidictionary of First Names': "Joanne: (F) Old French Feminine form of 'John', which gave rise to the simplified English spelling 'Joan'. This form, with its markedly more feminine spelling, was revived in the early 2oth cent. It has to some extent been influenced by the independently formed combination Jo Anne." Michaelsanders 15:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I remember that some time ago there was a pic in here from Hermione wearing her beautiful dress from the Yule ball. Where has that gone? It was the best of all the pix! -- Maxl 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
One of our otherwise faithful editors has repeated inserted the following in the main introductory paragraph, and I for one do not understand why it belongs:
I have repeatedly removed the parenthetical insertion for the following reasons:
I am cleaning up this section, trying to make it encyclopedic, and removing the "offending" material. This is NOT a personal attack on the editor, who has otherwise been a very faithful and productive member of the HP "editing staff", and who has been removing vandalism and such. But please do not re-add parenthetical dangling personal commentaries and observations of this sort to sentences in the main article, without clearly explaining why they belong in the encyclopedia. Thanks! -- T-dot 13:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Does it bother anyone else that:
Dalf | Talk 21:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I was about to remove the last anon add to the article,
Many rumours are that Hermione and Ron may indeed get together!
but decided to leave it, since it is referring to book 7, and it is ALL rumours at this point. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. 07:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be necessary to upload the image of Hermione Granger that turned into a cat after drinking a potion, although her cat appearance ONLY appears in the Chamber of Secrets and put it under the Chamber of Secrets headline. -- PJ Pete