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Someone has to bring it up on the talk page, so I will. Can people's minds be made up about this album's genre? Please!!? I am not going to champion one genre line-up over another, but the frivolous genre debating has been going on consistently for the past few weeks. At first, I helped eliminate the genre area, but I stopped doing that as time got closer to the release date. The genre feuding is a waste of time, like it would be on any other occasion, and there needs to be an agreed-upon stance as to what genre it is. Sources would be nice as well. This has obviously gone on long enough, and I'm sick of seeing my watchlist updated with edits of people blatantly ignoring the invisible messages there and instead posting what genre they think this album is. Genre feuding is an entirely stupid and unencyclopedic practice. This is an encyclopedia, not a freaking free-for-all. Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 22:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Can we remove Angry Metal Guy's review? I think it is extremely biased. He focuses on only one aspect of Opeth's songwriting (transitions) as the basis for his criticism, and punishes the album too much for not matching his expectations in this regard:
"Instead, I’d say there’s about 40 minutes of pretty good to excellent music, but a lot of bad transitions and only a couple great songs. This leaves me, frankly, aghast, as the fantastic transitions and compositions are the thing that really elevated Opeth to the level of great in my mind"
He acknowledges that the album contains intricate music and that there is a "unifying" feel to it, but doesn't factor this into his rating. His rating (2/5) says he is "disappointed" because it didn't contain what he likes about Opeth's music. That, to me, is not a good review.
Furthermore, he says the album contains "somewhat linear songs, often times with little regard as to key, time signature or context and feel". This is exactly the opposite of what they really are. As the Allmusic review points out, "these ten songs are drenched in instrumental interludes, knotty key and chord changes, shifting time signatures, clean vocals, and a keyboard-heavy instrumentation". It is impossible to create such intricate songs without regard to key or time signatures.
It is obvious that the album disappointed "Angry Metal Guy", and he bashes it for not living up to his expectations, instead of listening to other aspects of the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.152.14.67 ( talk) 07:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I think Angry Metal Guy's review should also stay up based on the fact that any and all reviews are nothing more than personal opinions, biased or otherwise, which makes them neither right or wrong. To remove a review because it is against your own opinion makes it censorship. Period. He stated his thoughts on the album, you didn't agree, so what? Should your review be removed because somebody else doesn't agree? Think about that the next time you try to take away the right of free speech from another, everyone isn't going to agree. Get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.190.174 ( talk) 16:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Why does this article say that Heritage is "scheduled to be released on September 14th"? First of all, it's the 16th and the album is not out yet, and secondly, according to Roadrunner it's not going to be out until the 20th ( http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/newreleases/release.aspx?releaseID=486). What gives? Chrlyon ( talk) 19:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay. But shouldn't there be something distinguishing the Japan release and the North America/Europe release? Otherwise people might get confused. :D Chrlyon ( talk) 19:33, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
It says here the genre of this album is mainly progressive metal, progressive rock, and jazz rock (jazz fusion) with a lot of influences on swedish folk music and jazz, so would this be a reliable source to put on the article? backing up progressive metal, progressive rock and jazz fusion? http://www.allmusic.com/album/heritage-r2255282/review ETFFAN123 ( talk) 17:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I am certain that Wikipedia is not a place to list tour dates, at most just a mention of the tour and a reference. User:Reza 1389 disagrees. I am removing it per WP:BRD (I'm the revert portion) and starting discussion here. Is there consensus to add tour dates here? MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 19:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we need a sentence saying "Credits taken from Allmusic" at the beginning of the credits? I'm inclined to say that credits fall under WP:PRIMARY and don't really need a source explicitly stated. Even if a reference is needed, I don't think the sentence is necessary, and the reference can be included with the section header or support the first or last name in the list of Personnel. This one I'll leave in, but again some consensus would be a good thing here. MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 20:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
What vital information is missing from this article, or, more generally, how could it be improved as a whole? It definitely seems to be missing some stuff, but I can't put a finger on what.-- Ktmartell ( talk) 18:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I resent the use of the phrase "another conventional Opeth album" in the Background section of this article. There is NOTHING conventional about any Opeth album; they have been evolving from one record to the next right from the very beginning, in a way no other metal band has ever dared to do. 81.83.141.98 ( talk) 23:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I have removed jazz fusion and progressive metal as jazz fusion is unsourced and the source for progressive metal doesn't mention progressive metal, progressive rock should be enough. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 19:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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Someone has to bring it up on the talk page, so I will. Can people's minds be made up about this album's genre? Please!!? I am not going to champion one genre line-up over another, but the frivolous genre debating has been going on consistently for the past few weeks. At first, I helped eliminate the genre area, but I stopped doing that as time got closer to the release date. The genre feuding is a waste of time, like it would be on any other occasion, and there needs to be an agreed-upon stance as to what genre it is. Sources would be nice as well. This has obviously gone on long enough, and I'm sick of seeing my watchlist updated with edits of people blatantly ignoring the invisible messages there and instead posting what genre they think this album is. Genre feuding is an entirely stupid and unencyclopedic practice. This is an encyclopedia, not a freaking free-for-all. Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 22:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Can we remove Angry Metal Guy's review? I think it is extremely biased. He focuses on only one aspect of Opeth's songwriting (transitions) as the basis for his criticism, and punishes the album too much for not matching his expectations in this regard:
"Instead, I’d say there’s about 40 minutes of pretty good to excellent music, but a lot of bad transitions and only a couple great songs. This leaves me, frankly, aghast, as the fantastic transitions and compositions are the thing that really elevated Opeth to the level of great in my mind"
He acknowledges that the album contains intricate music and that there is a "unifying" feel to it, but doesn't factor this into his rating. His rating (2/5) says he is "disappointed" because it didn't contain what he likes about Opeth's music. That, to me, is not a good review.
Furthermore, he says the album contains "somewhat linear songs, often times with little regard as to key, time signature or context and feel". This is exactly the opposite of what they really are. As the Allmusic review points out, "these ten songs are drenched in instrumental interludes, knotty key and chord changes, shifting time signatures, clean vocals, and a keyboard-heavy instrumentation". It is impossible to create such intricate songs without regard to key or time signatures.
It is obvious that the album disappointed "Angry Metal Guy", and he bashes it for not living up to his expectations, instead of listening to other aspects of the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.152.14.67 ( talk) 07:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I think Angry Metal Guy's review should also stay up based on the fact that any and all reviews are nothing more than personal opinions, biased or otherwise, which makes them neither right or wrong. To remove a review because it is against your own opinion makes it censorship. Period. He stated his thoughts on the album, you didn't agree, so what? Should your review be removed because somebody else doesn't agree? Think about that the next time you try to take away the right of free speech from another, everyone isn't going to agree. Get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.190.174 ( talk) 16:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Why does this article say that Heritage is "scheduled to be released on September 14th"? First of all, it's the 16th and the album is not out yet, and secondly, according to Roadrunner it's not going to be out until the 20th ( http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/newreleases/release.aspx?releaseID=486). What gives? Chrlyon ( talk) 19:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay. But shouldn't there be something distinguishing the Japan release and the North America/Europe release? Otherwise people might get confused. :D Chrlyon ( talk) 19:33, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
It says here the genre of this album is mainly progressive metal, progressive rock, and jazz rock (jazz fusion) with a lot of influences on swedish folk music and jazz, so would this be a reliable source to put on the article? backing up progressive metal, progressive rock and jazz fusion? http://www.allmusic.com/album/heritage-r2255282/review ETFFAN123 ( talk) 17:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I am certain that Wikipedia is not a place to list tour dates, at most just a mention of the tour and a reference. User:Reza 1389 disagrees. I am removing it per WP:BRD (I'm the revert portion) and starting discussion here. Is there consensus to add tour dates here? MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 19:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Do we need a sentence saying "Credits taken from Allmusic" at the beginning of the credits? I'm inclined to say that credits fall under WP:PRIMARY and don't really need a source explicitly stated. Even if a reference is needed, I don't think the sentence is necessary, and the reference can be included with the section header or support the first or last name in the list of Personnel. This one I'll leave in, but again some consensus would be a good thing here. MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 20:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
What vital information is missing from this article, or, more generally, how could it be improved as a whole? It definitely seems to be missing some stuff, but I can't put a finger on what.-- Ktmartell ( talk) 18:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I resent the use of the phrase "another conventional Opeth album" in the Background section of this article. There is NOTHING conventional about any Opeth album; they have been evolving from one record to the next right from the very beginning, in a way no other metal band has ever dared to do. 81.83.141.98 ( talk) 23:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I have removed jazz fusion and progressive metal as jazz fusion is unsourced and the source for progressive metal doesn't mention progressive metal, progressive rock should be enough. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 19:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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