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The second to the last paragraph of the Plot summary has Taraza and Odrade switched! 24.5.13.9 ( talk) 03:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)Zake Dec 2010
Do we have any canon sources for the "1,500" year time span between GEoD and HoD? I have read and re-read this book and I cannot see any quotes (( unless i am merely blind, haha )) but I keep seeing the characters refer to "milennia" and "the milennia" passing since the reign of Leto II. I interpreted this to mean there was more than one. Am I just insane?
scotty 04:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)scottrossi
Ive just changed it from 1500 or 3500 to 1000's of years becuse it dosn't say it in the book how many years have passed and it says '1000's of years still after his death the tyrant still controls us...' (odrade in tabar-finds the secret hoard)
plus, dose it realy matter? its a great book and thats what counts not some stupid time scale!
posted by ^V-/~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.68.54.108 ( talk • contribs) 03:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The timespan is mentioned in the book itself. From one of the recent Ace paperback editions of HoD, page 7:
... Lucilla, who had come to depend on her experience of the Jessica person buried some five thousand years back in the Sisterhood's genetic manipulations, ....
Assuming Leto II reigned for 3500 years (which I think is a given), the remainder is 1500. And from page 10:
... And fifteen hundred years since the Tyrant's death, the Sisterhood remained powerless to unlock the central knot of that fearsome accomplishment.
Emphasis mine. So, I think the using fifteen hundred years in the article is justified. Mpd ( talk) 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If it is mentioned in the book than it is considered canon. As long as it's not an alternate timeline/universe or a retcon. Andy_Howard ( talk) 21:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I do not mean by this to contribute original research and have added no analysis or conclusions of my own. I've put two primary sources together where the similarity speaks for itself. As far as I know, this is the only place in the Dune books where Herbert doesn't have a "mashup" of religious sources but quotes rather explicitly from one of his direct influences, which makes this more than a passing curiosity and worthy of note. But I could be wrong, it may not be worth mentioning. Scott1329m 19:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
As it is, this looks like original research. Gwern's rewrite pointing out Herbert using Watts's work would be better, but is still on the edge of original research - it would be much better if a secondary source for this fact could be found. I'm leaving it in for the moment to see if someone improves it (I can't since I know nothing of Watts), but as it is I don't believe the section belongs in the article. ··gracefool ☺ 23:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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The second to the last paragraph of the Plot summary has Taraza and Odrade switched! 24.5.13.9 ( talk) 03:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)Zake Dec 2010
Do we have any canon sources for the "1,500" year time span between GEoD and HoD? I have read and re-read this book and I cannot see any quotes (( unless i am merely blind, haha )) but I keep seeing the characters refer to "milennia" and "the milennia" passing since the reign of Leto II. I interpreted this to mean there was more than one. Am I just insane?
scotty 04:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)scottrossi
Ive just changed it from 1500 or 3500 to 1000's of years becuse it dosn't say it in the book how many years have passed and it says '1000's of years still after his death the tyrant still controls us...' (odrade in tabar-finds the secret hoard)
plus, dose it realy matter? its a great book and thats what counts not some stupid time scale!
posted by ^V-/~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.68.54.108 ( talk • contribs) 03:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The timespan is mentioned in the book itself. From one of the recent Ace paperback editions of HoD, page 7:
... Lucilla, who had come to depend on her experience of the Jessica person buried some five thousand years back in the Sisterhood's genetic manipulations, ....
Assuming Leto II reigned for 3500 years (which I think is a given), the remainder is 1500. And from page 10:
... And fifteen hundred years since the Tyrant's death, the Sisterhood remained powerless to unlock the central knot of that fearsome accomplishment.
Emphasis mine. So, I think the using fifteen hundred years in the article is justified. Mpd ( talk) 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
If it is mentioned in the book than it is considered canon. As long as it's not an alternate timeline/universe or a retcon. Andy_Howard ( talk) 21:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I do not mean by this to contribute original research and have added no analysis or conclusions of my own. I've put two primary sources together where the similarity speaks for itself. As far as I know, this is the only place in the Dune books where Herbert doesn't have a "mashup" of religious sources but quotes rather explicitly from one of his direct influences, which makes this more than a passing curiosity and worthy of note. But I could be wrong, it may not be worth mentioning. Scott1329m 19:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
As it is, this looks like original research. Gwern's rewrite pointing out Herbert using Watts's work would be better, but is still on the edge of original research - it would be much better if a secondary source for this fact could be found. I'm leaving it in for the moment to see if someone improves it (I can't since I know nothing of Watts), but as it is I don't believe the section belongs in the article. ··gracefool ☺ 23:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)