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This article has the founding as 'around 700 AD' but the article on the Bishop of Hereford says the See was founded in 676. Surely there must have been a settlement there before then or could the See have been founded on a 'green field' site? -- Cavrdg 13:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the point missing here is that Hereford really didn't appear out of the blue in either 700AD nor 676AD. It was re-named Hereford once the assimilation into Mercia was completed in the 8th Century. "Hereford" and the Welsh kingdom of Ergyng (the sister kingdom of Gwent) has many hundreds of years of history before the Mercians "founded" the town and you may be interested to learn that it was not until the Laws In Wales Acts of 1535 and 1542 that the uncertainty over the border was unilaterally put to bed by English Law. However, Herefordshire remained predominantly Welsh speaking until the 17th century with Welsh being spoken as late as 1750 in the Kentchurch area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.53.204.196 ( talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a firm plan for a by-pass? All I could see in the Highways Agency A49 Route Strategy is, under Route Outcome 6, a target to undertake studies to identify appropriate measures with a timescale of complete initial studies by 2008.-- Cavrdg 12:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
The Welsh name and pronounciation are provided, but a phonetic guide would be helpful in English as well. How is Hereford pronounced? Is it trisyllabic or bisyllabic?
Some people do pronounce the end of the word as "Ford", as rhyming with Chord. But, most do say it more like "Fudd", rhyming with Could. The start of the word is just like as said. It's an easy word to pronounce, anyway -- Cowards 16:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
How about a section on the redevelopment? Edgar Street, High Town, Asda, Left Bank, etc. Could be interesting.
I was always told that the name of Hereford stems from earlier Welsh names - as the area around Hereford was frequently under Welsh control in the early years of the city's existance. The idea of 'here ford' seems a little convenient and too close to modern English. I don't doubt that it may very well be that but surely a citation should be attributed to this? -- 80.43.95.32 01:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Is it possible that "Hereford" could just be an anglicized misrendering of "Henffordd"? There are plenty of examples of Welsh names being corrupted to create the English name. Is there any evidence that "Hereford" is derived from English rather than from Welsh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.18.9 ( talk) 09:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Or should I just say "write" since this article is quite small anyway? Is anyone interested in taking on this article properly i.e. doing away with pretty much everything that is on the page now and starting again with full sections on history, economy, demographics, etc. I'm not much of a history person so anything I write would be pretty poor but I'm happy to start writing a "Culture and society" section and a "Politics" section. There's a lot of information at the Hereford Times archive for pointers to economy and such like and the references here are an ideal starting point for a history section. WindsorFan 17:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a fact template to the claim in the section "Local Government" as it states that Herefors is one of only seven civil parishes to have city status, and yet the civil parish entry claims there are six. It may be that one is referring to just England, and the other to perhaps England and wales (where civil parishes no longer exist), but I think this apparent inconsistency needs resolving in some way. I wonder if anyone else knows how to check this quickly? DDStretch (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This should stand because of the special realtionbship between the Marcher towns and cities and Wales. I, for example, was raised in Wales but born in Salop. Many border communities look East to England and always have done so. Many drover routes ended at Hereford, Gloucester, Chester & Salop. -- MJB ( talk) 14:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree - you will see the Welsh name on signposts in Wales and as another post here says Welsh is likely the origin of the name. Johnrcrellin ( talk) 06:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
An anonymous user ( User:217.39.132.9) has removed the Welsh pronounciation from the introduction repeatedly. I am not neccessarily opposed to this, because I personally don't see why it needs to be in the opening line either, but war-reverting with User:Maxburgoyne and User:Dpaajones is clearly not the answer. Perhaps a consensus needs to be reached with all editors. Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 14:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you. All the great Marcher towns and cities (Ludlow - once the capital of Wales and the Marches - Chester, Hereford and Shrewsbury) have a unique relationship with Wales. Alsace-Lorraine in France and its link with Germany is similar. I was raised in Knighton and we saw Salop, Ludlow and Hereford as our local centres; not LLandrindod Wells or Abergavenny (Y Fenni). The Welsh names are ancient and speak eloquently of this Marcher link. We are not suggesting a list of irrelevant Dutch, Spanish & Innuit names. Finally, English alternatives are usually given for Welsh towns. -- MJB ( talk) 15:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It's always been a city very much connected with Wales and Welsh affairs. Johnrcrellin ( talk) 10:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
It is one tiny addition acknowledging a historic truth. My family on my father's side - Burgoyne - has been in Herefordshire for 300 yrs + and on my mother's side - Parry - in Wales for longer, so please do not overplay the ". . . I am from Hereford" trump card. -- MJB ( talk) 12:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Sadly your contribution lacks both wit and any attempt at research; the York page does make reference to the Roman and Latin names. QED. By the way, bread is bara in Welsh; brith is currant. -- MJB ( talk) 14:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the Welsh name for Hereford, Henfordd, is in very common usage. Google it, or("Hengoed" is another place entirely.) It is also written "Henffordd", as in: [1].
I will add something with more subtlety that before. Howard Alexander ( talk) 22:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Since this matter has been raised on a number of pages now, and is ongoing, I think it best to refer people to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2#Addition of Welsh names to English articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2#Addition of Welsh names to English articles (2) where the matter is being discussed for a number of articles (at least 4) about English settlements in which Welsh names have recently been added. DDStretch (talk) 17:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC) bollocks to the welsh............... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.10.26 ( talk) 19:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Herefordshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Hereford has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 21:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering if Hereford College of Education and Hereford Teacher Training College were one and the same. It would seem odd for there to have two teacher training colleges in such a small place. Can anyone help? Cheers TheRetroGuy ( talk) 21:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I know this is probably not the place to ask, but since it is mentioned in the article, which three English counties don't have a university? Herefordshire is obviously one, but what are the other two? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 15:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Please do not revert the changes I have made to the climate section. It took me over 6 hours to do what I have done so far, but I am still not finished - note the provisionial record low values from weather 2, not as reliable as this source http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-35220.html. If you would like you can go through all the months from Sep 2001 until Jun 2015, and work out the record low values per month, this is what I did with the record highs and that bit on it's own took over half the time of editing the section. I am planning on changing the record lows tomorrow, or when next possible, too much for one afternoon. Help is greatly appreciated, but remember, please consult this talk page and then wait at least 24 hours before making any changes except to the record lows. Also, please note, the record high temperature may have been surpassed on 1 July, but this information is not yet available. If it is higher, then feel free to change this as well, once the information becomes available-- 188.221.224.199 ( talk) 22:35, 12 August 2015 (BST)
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This article has the founding as 'around 700 AD' but the article on the Bishop of Hereford says the See was founded in 676. Surely there must have been a settlement there before then or could the See have been founded on a 'green field' site? -- Cavrdg 13:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I think the point missing here is that Hereford really didn't appear out of the blue in either 700AD nor 676AD. It was re-named Hereford once the assimilation into Mercia was completed in the 8th Century. "Hereford" and the Welsh kingdom of Ergyng (the sister kingdom of Gwent) has many hundreds of years of history before the Mercians "founded" the town and you may be interested to learn that it was not until the Laws In Wales Acts of 1535 and 1542 that the uncertainty over the border was unilaterally put to bed by English Law. However, Herefordshire remained predominantly Welsh speaking until the 17th century with Welsh being spoken as late as 1750 in the Kentchurch area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.53.204.196 ( talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a firm plan for a by-pass? All I could see in the Highways Agency A49 Route Strategy is, under Route Outcome 6, a target to undertake studies to identify appropriate measures with a timescale of complete initial studies by 2008.-- Cavrdg 12:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
The Welsh name and pronounciation are provided, but a phonetic guide would be helpful in English as well. How is Hereford pronounced? Is it trisyllabic or bisyllabic?
Some people do pronounce the end of the word as "Ford", as rhyming with Chord. But, most do say it more like "Fudd", rhyming with Could. The start of the word is just like as said. It's an easy word to pronounce, anyway -- Cowards 16:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
How about a section on the redevelopment? Edgar Street, High Town, Asda, Left Bank, etc. Could be interesting.
I was always told that the name of Hereford stems from earlier Welsh names - as the area around Hereford was frequently under Welsh control in the early years of the city's existance. The idea of 'here ford' seems a little convenient and too close to modern English. I don't doubt that it may very well be that but surely a citation should be attributed to this? -- 80.43.95.32 01:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Is it possible that "Hereford" could just be an anglicized misrendering of "Henffordd"? There are plenty of examples of Welsh names being corrupted to create the English name. Is there any evidence that "Hereford" is derived from English rather than from Welsh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.18.9 ( talk) 09:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Or should I just say "write" since this article is quite small anyway? Is anyone interested in taking on this article properly i.e. doing away with pretty much everything that is on the page now and starting again with full sections on history, economy, demographics, etc. I'm not much of a history person so anything I write would be pretty poor but I'm happy to start writing a "Culture and society" section and a "Politics" section. There's a lot of information at the Hereford Times archive for pointers to economy and such like and the references here are an ideal starting point for a history section. WindsorFan 17:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a fact template to the claim in the section "Local Government" as it states that Herefors is one of only seven civil parishes to have city status, and yet the civil parish entry claims there are six. It may be that one is referring to just England, and the other to perhaps England and wales (where civil parishes no longer exist), but I think this apparent inconsistency needs resolving in some way. I wonder if anyone else knows how to check this quickly? DDStretch (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This should stand because of the special realtionbship between the Marcher towns and cities and Wales. I, for example, was raised in Wales but born in Salop. Many border communities look East to England and always have done so. Many drover routes ended at Hereford, Gloucester, Chester & Salop. -- MJB ( talk) 14:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree - you will see the Welsh name on signposts in Wales and as another post here says Welsh is likely the origin of the name. Johnrcrellin ( talk) 06:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
An anonymous user ( User:217.39.132.9) has removed the Welsh pronounciation from the introduction repeatedly. I am not neccessarily opposed to this, because I personally don't see why it needs to be in the opening line either, but war-reverting with User:Maxburgoyne and User:Dpaajones is clearly not the answer. Perhaps a consensus needs to be reached with all editors. Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk) 14:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you. All the great Marcher towns and cities (Ludlow - once the capital of Wales and the Marches - Chester, Hereford and Shrewsbury) have a unique relationship with Wales. Alsace-Lorraine in France and its link with Germany is similar. I was raised in Knighton and we saw Salop, Ludlow and Hereford as our local centres; not LLandrindod Wells or Abergavenny (Y Fenni). The Welsh names are ancient and speak eloquently of this Marcher link. We are not suggesting a list of irrelevant Dutch, Spanish & Innuit names. Finally, English alternatives are usually given for Welsh towns. -- MJB ( talk) 15:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It's always been a city very much connected with Wales and Welsh affairs. Johnrcrellin ( talk) 10:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
It is one tiny addition acknowledging a historic truth. My family on my father's side - Burgoyne - has been in Herefordshire for 300 yrs + and on my mother's side - Parry - in Wales for longer, so please do not overplay the ". . . I am from Hereford" trump card. -- MJB ( talk) 12:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Sadly your contribution lacks both wit and any attempt at research; the York page does make reference to the Roman and Latin names. QED. By the way, bread is bara in Welsh; brith is currant. -- MJB ( talk) 14:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the Welsh name for Hereford, Henfordd, is in very common usage. Google it, or("Hengoed" is another place entirely.) It is also written "Henffordd", as in: [1].
I will add something with more subtlety that before. Howard Alexander ( talk) 22:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Since this matter has been raised on a number of pages now, and is ongoing, I think it best to refer people to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2#Addition of Welsh names to English articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2#Addition of Welsh names to English articles (2) where the matter is being discussed for a number of articles (at least 4) about English settlements in which Welsh names have recently been added. DDStretch (talk) 17:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC) bollocks to the welsh............... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.10.26 ( talk) 19:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping to start a Herefordshire WikiProject. I got WikiProject Edinburgh off the ground a few months ago and am looking to start a few others so we can get better coverage of some of the UK's cities and counties. As Hereford has a long and interesting history I think it could be a useful collaboration. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 21:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering if Hereford College of Education and Hereford Teacher Training College were one and the same. It would seem odd for there to have two teacher training colleges in such a small place. Can anyone help? Cheers TheRetroGuy ( talk) 21:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I know this is probably not the place to ask, but since it is mentioned in the article, which three English counties don't have a university? Herefordshire is obviously one, but what are the other two? TheRetroGuy ( talk) 15:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Please do not revert the changes I have made to the climate section. It took me over 6 hours to do what I have done so far, but I am still not finished - note the provisionial record low values from weather 2, not as reliable as this source http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-35220.html. If you would like you can go through all the months from Sep 2001 until Jun 2015, and work out the record low values per month, this is what I did with the record highs and that bit on it's own took over half the time of editing the section. I am planning on changing the record lows tomorrow, or when next possible, too much for one afternoon. Help is greatly appreciated, but remember, please consult this talk page and then wait at least 24 hours before making any changes except to the record lows. Also, please note, the record high temperature may have been surpassed on 1 July, but this information is not yet available. If it is higher, then feel free to change this as well, once the information becomes available-- 188.221.224.199 ( talk) 22:35, 12 August 2015 (BST)
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