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I have removed the reference to the newspaper's supposed nickname, which is not a true nickname; if a handful of smart alecs decide to call something by an insulting name, that doesn't make it a nickname, and there's no reason for the wikipedia to join in the chorus. I had never heard that supposed nickname for the paper before I read it in the wikipedia, and ditto the story that the voters threw out the Kirner govt because the Herald Sun told them to. I first heard of that on the wikipedia too, and it's total nonsense; even if it were true (and it isn't), it would belong, not on the Herald Sun page, but on the why-Joan-Kirner-lost-government page, where the 'other' reasons -- the loss of the State Bank, the VEDC collapse, the Tricontinental collapse, the National Safety Council shemozzle, Joan's lack of charisma -- could be appropriately discussed. -- User:Jake B — Preceding undated comment added 04:30, 29 January 2004 (UTC)
The "Herald Scum" was actually a spoof newspaper put out by some students to make fun of the Herald Sun. Xtra 11:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The Herald Sun doesn't have a hyphen in its title and this article should be renamed accordingly. Adam 04:15, 29 January 2004 (UTC)
were the words "news pictorial" ever part of The Suns official name? The Hearald Sun has the words "news pictorial" under its header too. Xtra 00:17, 24 October 2004 (UTC)
I am currently testing an automated Wikipedia link suggester. Ran it on this article, here are the results:
Notes: The article text has not been changed in any way; Some of these links may be wrong, some may be right; You can leave positive feedback or negative feedback; Please feel free to delete this section from the talk page. -- Nickj 07:32, 19 October 2004 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 10:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The Herald Sun → Heraldsun – {Herald Sun is the official name. See [2]. See naming policy on the use of "The".} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page
Several changes have been made and today unmade. [3] Looking forward to a discussion so we can achieve a neutral article on the nation's most popular newspaper. DarrenRay 14:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Something very bad happened there. Please forgive me while I fix the results of an edit conflict and a wrong button being pressed. DarrenRay 07:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone reading this article would think the HS was one of the greatest cultural contributions ever made in Melbourne. What's with this "Acclaim" section? Why is the fact that it sponsors a bike tour mentioned in such prominence? Where is the comparison with its competitors? What's going on here: "The Herald Sun strengths are its clear writing style, relevance to its readership, extensive sports reporting and a general lack of pretension." Can someone get in there and give this the NPOV treatment? Thanks! Stevage 13:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
the list of jounralists section needs to expanded from just a handful of editorial writers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.15.241 ( talk) 09:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I am trying not to make this comment biased, but the corinella page in the Saturday edition deserves a mention, if not an article.
I have records of a page from Sep. 1990. -- Punk Boi 8 05:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Adam Carr has been deleting references to the Herald-Sun as a conservative newspaper; he writes: "What is your evidence that the HS has a formal alliegance to "Conservatism"? Australia doesn't even a Conservative Party. this is purely your opinion, and I will go on reverting it". Dissembly 03:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
This section on the Hun's support for gun-control seems to have been accorded a very large space, with an oversized image. I am no blind supporter of the Hun, but criticism of the paper's coverage of this single issue, which is largely uncontroversial outside the small Australian pro-gun lobby is disproportionate. Critiques of general style or allegations of widespread hypocrisy would be different, but surely we can't detail criticisms of each article on which anyone has ever had a grievance. Any ideas anyone?-- Spamburgler 09:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The section titled Liftouts, sections and features is currently tagged for clean-up, but should be deleted. It's just an advertisment for the paper, it's unencyclopaedic, it's endlessly long, and you can get that information from the publisher's website, so it doesn't need to be in Wikipedia. I suggest the entire section be deleted. -- Lester2 22:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the relevance of John Pilger opinion of Andrew Bolt. Surely if it were of any use it would be on the Andrew Bolt's page and not the newspaper in which he writes for.
"(John Pilger has described Bolt as "the lowest of journalism's low, an extreme right wing and aggressively idiotic member of Murdoch's dominant press group in Australia")
I suggest the comments be deleted.
-- 121.220.78.249 ( talk) 10:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
What's makes such people notable? Are there really 22 "notables" at the one paper? I've lived in Victoria for over 60 years and have never heard of 9 of the people listed. Three of these notables would appear to have earnt that title through nothing more than playing football well. Chances are their columns are ghost written anyway. Only one "notable" has a reference, highlighting the fact that 21 of them don't. Can I remove them?
HiLo48 ( talk) 09:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The method through which an individual gains notoriety does not make them any less notable. Theworld2 ( talk) 11:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I would like to expand the history section of the Herald Sun page. There is some interesting detail about the founder and the arrival of Keith Murdoch that, I think, gives a better picture of the early years of the paper. I used to work for News Corp but was made redundant in August 2021, so I am no longer being paid by them to write, but I have collected some stories about the paper. They will all be properly footnoted and referenced, but I invite any comment or helpful hints anyone might have. Troyantonius ( talk) 02:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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I have removed the reference to the newspaper's supposed nickname, which is not a true nickname; if a handful of smart alecs decide to call something by an insulting name, that doesn't make it a nickname, and there's no reason for the wikipedia to join in the chorus. I had never heard that supposed nickname for the paper before I read it in the wikipedia, and ditto the story that the voters threw out the Kirner govt because the Herald Sun told them to. I first heard of that on the wikipedia too, and it's total nonsense; even if it were true (and it isn't), it would belong, not on the Herald Sun page, but on the why-Joan-Kirner-lost-government page, where the 'other' reasons -- the loss of the State Bank, the VEDC collapse, the Tricontinental collapse, the National Safety Council shemozzle, Joan's lack of charisma -- could be appropriately discussed. -- User:Jake B — Preceding undated comment added 04:30, 29 January 2004 (UTC)
The "Herald Scum" was actually a spoof newspaper put out by some students to make fun of the Herald Sun. Xtra 11:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The Herald Sun doesn't have a hyphen in its title and this article should be renamed accordingly. Adam 04:15, 29 January 2004 (UTC)
were the words "news pictorial" ever part of The Suns official name? The Hearald Sun has the words "news pictorial" under its header too. Xtra 00:17, 24 October 2004 (UTC)
I am currently testing an automated Wikipedia link suggester. Ran it on this article, here are the results:
Notes: The article text has not been changed in any way; Some of these links may be wrong, some may be right; You can leave positive feedback or negative feedback; Please feel free to delete this section from the talk page. -- Nickj 07:32, 19 October 2004 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 10:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The Herald Sun → Heraldsun – {Herald Sun is the official name. See [2]. See naming policy on the use of "The".} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page
Several changes have been made and today unmade. [3] Looking forward to a discussion so we can achieve a neutral article on the nation's most popular newspaper. DarrenRay 14:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Something very bad happened there. Please forgive me while I fix the results of an edit conflict and a wrong button being pressed. DarrenRay 07:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone reading this article would think the HS was one of the greatest cultural contributions ever made in Melbourne. What's with this "Acclaim" section? Why is the fact that it sponsors a bike tour mentioned in such prominence? Where is the comparison with its competitors? What's going on here: "The Herald Sun strengths are its clear writing style, relevance to its readership, extensive sports reporting and a general lack of pretension." Can someone get in there and give this the NPOV treatment? Thanks! Stevage 13:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
the list of jounralists section needs to expanded from just a handful of editorial writers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.15.241 ( talk) 09:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I am trying not to make this comment biased, but the corinella page in the Saturday edition deserves a mention, if not an article.
I have records of a page from Sep. 1990. -- Punk Boi 8 05:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Adam Carr has been deleting references to the Herald-Sun as a conservative newspaper; he writes: "What is your evidence that the HS has a formal alliegance to "Conservatism"? Australia doesn't even a Conservative Party. this is purely your opinion, and I will go on reverting it". Dissembly 03:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
This section on the Hun's support for gun-control seems to have been accorded a very large space, with an oversized image. I am no blind supporter of the Hun, but criticism of the paper's coverage of this single issue, which is largely uncontroversial outside the small Australian pro-gun lobby is disproportionate. Critiques of general style or allegations of widespread hypocrisy would be different, but surely we can't detail criticisms of each article on which anyone has ever had a grievance. Any ideas anyone?-- Spamburgler 09:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The section titled Liftouts, sections and features is currently tagged for clean-up, but should be deleted. It's just an advertisment for the paper, it's unencyclopaedic, it's endlessly long, and you can get that information from the publisher's website, so it doesn't need to be in Wikipedia. I suggest the entire section be deleted. -- Lester2 22:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the relevance of John Pilger opinion of Andrew Bolt. Surely if it were of any use it would be on the Andrew Bolt's page and not the newspaper in which he writes for.
"(John Pilger has described Bolt as "the lowest of journalism's low, an extreme right wing and aggressively idiotic member of Murdoch's dominant press group in Australia")
I suggest the comments be deleted.
-- 121.220.78.249 ( talk) 10:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
What's makes such people notable? Are there really 22 "notables" at the one paper? I've lived in Victoria for over 60 years and have never heard of 9 of the people listed. Three of these notables would appear to have earnt that title through nothing more than playing football well. Chances are their columns are ghost written anyway. Only one "notable" has a reference, highlighting the fact that 21 of them don't. Can I remove them?
HiLo48 ( talk) 09:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The method through which an individual gains notoriety does not make them any less notable. Theworld2 ( talk) 11:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I would like to expand the history section of the Herald Sun page. There is some interesting detail about the founder and the arrival of Keith Murdoch that, I think, gives a better picture of the early years of the paper. I used to work for News Corp but was made redundant in August 2021, so I am no longer being paid by them to write, but I have collected some stories about the paper. They will all be properly footnoted and referenced, but I invite any comment or helpful hints anyone might have. Troyantonius ( talk) 02:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)