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Well, the article says that It is in charge of the local institution "Museum and Gallery of Bitola". Should we maybe include this photo of the "Museum and Gallery of Bitola" (the administrative building, I mean)? Guitardemon666 ( talk) 23:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC) P.S. Now that I see the text a bit better, it seems that the ruins are in charge of the Museum :) :) We ought to change that one too, I think. Guitardemon666 ( talk) 23:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to correct manipulations of a banned user as per sources. Please discuss before editing. Thank you. Jingby ( talk)
Please explain why the edits were removed? There is nothing offensive in them. Is it offensive to add the Macedonian name to a historical site within the Republic of Macedonia?
Wisco2000 ( talk) 06:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
A better map showing the area of territory Greece lost through time relative to the ancient Greek city-state of Macedonia (during Philip) would be helpful in understanding the modern Ignatia road most of which is still in Greece. The northerly route around the lakes is interesting because it shows the preferred route was not in the topography of the south, probably due to natural features which proved to be impassable obstacles most likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.6.62 ( talk) 10:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Greece was formed as a state in the 1800s. There was no such things as Greece, not even as a concept, in ancient times. So, saying this and that happened in Greece, or quoting sources who write Heraclea in Northern Greece, is simply not correct, it is spreading misinformation. Ancient Greek city formed by the king of Macedonia? I mean please! Ancient Macedonian city founded by Philip. Again, there was no such thing as Greece at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:281:24A0:F8EA:781F:A9F9:6091 ( talk) 03:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
This article is about an ancient city, not about the contemporary archeological site. Macedonian language wasn't used at that time. It was codified in 1945. When the city was active its name was written in Greek and Roman languages. By the arrival of the Slavs it was already abandoned. Jingiby ( talk) 13:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
If the ruins of the city are currently in Macedonia and a Macedonian name is used by locals to refer to the site then I think it's perfectly acceptable to record that name. What would not be acceptable would be if the city no longer existed at all and a made-up modern name was added to the article for purely nationalistic reasons (i.e "the site is now in Macedonia so we're bloody well going to give it a Macedonian name even if that name has never been used in reputable non-nationalistic sources"). This does not appear to be the case here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:14, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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Please correct part of the text where you are mentioning that the town of Heraclea Lyncestis is Greek town. With this you are making confusion among all the visitors of this web site. Tell me, Rome is a Roman town or Italian, Kadiz is Arabic town or Spanish, Bucharest is in Dacia or Romania, Singidunum is Roman or Serbian town. Don't allow history to be presented on the basis of double standards. Even if we are talking about history of old Greek, which Greek we are talking about, Greek state??? Greek nation??? Greek kingdom??? Think about it!!! We can only talk about kingdoms of Athens, Sparta, Theba... |
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I recommend changing the contents of the footnote to only state "Not be confused with the ancient Macedonian language". This is enough for disambiguation between the two languages. This article is not about the Macedonian language, if users wanted to compare the extinct language to the modern language, they can see the corresponding articles.
Have a look the article for Troy which states the corresponding Turkish name without any footnotes, even though it's a modern language which was not present around the time. I will also like to state, like Troy in Turkey, Heraclea is a major historic site in North Macedonia which is enough to justify having the Macedonian name without excessive disambiguation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beat of the tapan ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
This is my suggestion for the note in question:
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Well, the article says that It is in charge of the local institution "Museum and Gallery of Bitola". Should we maybe include this photo of the "Museum and Gallery of Bitola" (the administrative building, I mean)? Guitardemon666 ( talk) 23:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC) P.S. Now that I see the text a bit better, it seems that the ruins are in charge of the Museum :) :) We ought to change that one too, I think. Guitardemon666 ( talk) 23:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to correct manipulations of a banned user as per sources. Please discuss before editing. Thank you. Jingby ( talk)
Please explain why the edits were removed? There is nothing offensive in them. Is it offensive to add the Macedonian name to a historical site within the Republic of Macedonia?
Wisco2000 ( talk) 06:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
A better map showing the area of territory Greece lost through time relative to the ancient Greek city-state of Macedonia (during Philip) would be helpful in understanding the modern Ignatia road most of which is still in Greece. The northerly route around the lakes is interesting because it shows the preferred route was not in the topography of the south, probably due to natural features which proved to be impassable obstacles most likely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.6.62 ( talk) 10:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Greece was formed as a state in the 1800s. There was no such things as Greece, not even as a concept, in ancient times. So, saying this and that happened in Greece, or quoting sources who write Heraclea in Northern Greece, is simply not correct, it is spreading misinformation. Ancient Greek city formed by the king of Macedonia? I mean please! Ancient Macedonian city founded by Philip. Again, there was no such thing as Greece at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:281:24A0:F8EA:781F:A9F9:6091 ( talk) 03:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
This article is about an ancient city, not about the contemporary archeological site. Macedonian language wasn't used at that time. It was codified in 1945. When the city was active its name was written in Greek and Roman languages. By the arrival of the Slavs it was already abandoned. Jingiby ( talk) 13:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
If the ruins of the city are currently in Macedonia and a Macedonian name is used by locals to refer to the site then I think it's perfectly acceptable to record that name. What would not be acceptable would be if the city no longer existed at all and a made-up modern name was added to the article for purely nationalistic reasons (i.e "the site is now in Macedonia so we're bloody well going to give it a Macedonian name even if that name has never been used in reputable non-nationalistic sources"). This does not appear to be the case here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:14, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Heraclea Lyncestis/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Please correct part of the text where you are mentioning that the town of Heraclea Lyncestis is Greek town. With this you are making confusion among all the visitors of this web site. Tell me, Rome is a Roman town or Italian, Kadiz is Arabic town or Spanish, Bucharest is in Dacia or Romania, Singidunum is Roman or Serbian town. Don't allow history to be presented on the basis of double standards. Even if we are talking about history of old Greek, which Greek we are talking about, Greek state??? Greek nation??? Greek kingdom??? Think about it!!! We can only talk about kingdoms of Athens, Sparta, Theba... |
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I recommend changing the contents of the footnote to only state "Not be confused with the ancient Macedonian language". This is enough for disambiguation between the two languages. This article is not about the Macedonian language, if users wanted to compare the extinct language to the modern language, they can see the corresponding articles.
Have a look the article for Troy which states the corresponding Turkish name without any footnotes, even though it's a modern language which was not present around the time. I will also like to state, like Troy in Turkey, Heraclea is a major historic site in North Macedonia which is enough to justify having the Macedonian name without excessive disambiguation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beat of the tapan ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
This is my suggestion for the note in question:
References
Paul August ☎ 13:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)