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Currently, the article says: "Henry married Lucy Flucker (1756–1824), the daughter of Boston Loyalists..." I believe that the correct name is Lucy Flucker, not the current expletive. Can anyone verify and correct this? ( Hartnrm ( talk) 03:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to verify the validity of the source for the following sentence:
In Maine, however, he would be remembered as a grasping tyrant and was forever immortalized in Nathanial Hawthorne's House of the Seven Gables, for which he served as the model for Col. Pynchon.
The reason I ask is that it seems to come out of the blue. He didn't live in Maine all that long and I think we should verify especially when saying someone is a "grasping tyrant." -- RossF18 ( talk) 17:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I heard an amusing anecdote in the audio book "Don't know much about History", in which Gen. George Washington told "Ox" Knox "Shift your ass Knox, but do it gently or you'll swamp the boat." The fact this was his nickname is not mentioned in the article. 67.78.162.234 ( talk) 19:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC) HENRY KNOX IS AMAZING! KEEP ON ROCKIN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.207.201 ( talk) 19:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Based on my reading of the source, this is an inaccurate representation:
However, Knox words were not motivated by humanitarian concern, rather out of the cost in men and money required to conquer Native American lands
The author quotes Joseph J. Ellis's "American Creation", which I just finished reading. Reread pages 136..138. Ellis clearly states there were both economic *and* moral issue that Knox worried about. E.g., "It is difficult to know which of Knox's arguments - the moral, the economic, or the fate of Washington's own reputation - had the greatest impact."
I recommend a correction. Is the original author OK with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ROPWA ( talk • contribs) 14:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I can't say who the original author is and it's not relevant. The book you quote makes the claim that Knox was worried about a moral issue. But that doesn't mean that Knox opposed the wars of agression to steal NA lands or that he did so out of a concern for their welfare. Many people, including others involved in the NA Genocide, showed they were aware of the moral issues and they worried how they would look later on, hence talk of their "reputation". Knox was concerned for loss of troops and money involved in taking lands, not the issue of whether it was moral to take the land; he preferred to buy it, but would and did take it by force.
When looking at Knox's writings, the statement above is not inconsistent with saying that he was not motivated by "humanitarian concern"; more importantly, his actions as Secretary of War demonstrated that he was not interested in humanitarianism. How does "humanitarian concern" include advising Congress that a possible option to taking their lands is their "utter extirpation" or removing all the members of a tribe?
You do realise that meant killing entire tribes for their land as an option if they refused to sell? Is that "humanitarian concern"? That's a direct quote. Ebanony ( talk) 08:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm going the following: To say Knox had moral concern is what happened to many who did the things he did. They weere well aware of the fact they were involved in war crimes & agression for land; that does have an effect, and yes they knew it was morally wrong. They also knew slavery was wrong morally, but did it anyway.
There is an ambigious sentence: "Knox feared that a policy of constant provocation would lead to costly frontier wars that would hurt the nation."
Rather - and Knox states this explicitily in his letter - that the US wanted to obtain the land north of the River Ohio. It was not going to happen w/o buying it or the "utter extirpation " of all the NA. That's the context. The constant provactions was on the part of the US, always going westward to take land by purchase if possible and by force if necessary. That's Knox own writings. Ebanony ( talk) 00:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Ron Chernow says in his Washington biography "Washington: A Life" that Knox was basically AWOL during the Whiskey Rebellion, behavior which destroyed Washington's confidence in him and left him little option but to resign. Is this widely enough known/believed to be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.244.9 ( talk) 04:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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and also served as the first United States Secretary of War from 1789–1794.
However, the Benjamin_Lincoln article also says
From 1781 to late 1783, Lincoln served as the first Secretary at War.
. Well which one is it? -- 2605:6000:EC4B:6200:AED:B9FF:FEAB:988D ( talk) 19:05, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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Currently, the article says: "Henry married Lucy Flucker (1756–1824), the daughter of Boston Loyalists..." I believe that the correct name is Lucy Flucker, not the current expletive. Can anyone verify and correct this? ( Hartnrm ( talk) 03:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to verify the validity of the source for the following sentence:
In Maine, however, he would be remembered as a grasping tyrant and was forever immortalized in Nathanial Hawthorne's House of the Seven Gables, for which he served as the model for Col. Pynchon.
The reason I ask is that it seems to come out of the blue. He didn't live in Maine all that long and I think we should verify especially when saying someone is a "grasping tyrant." -- RossF18 ( talk) 17:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I heard an amusing anecdote in the audio book "Don't know much about History", in which Gen. George Washington told "Ox" Knox "Shift your ass Knox, but do it gently or you'll swamp the boat." The fact this was his nickname is not mentioned in the article. 67.78.162.234 ( talk) 19:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC) HENRY KNOX IS AMAZING! KEEP ON ROCKIN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.207.201 ( talk) 19:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Based on my reading of the source, this is an inaccurate representation:
However, Knox words were not motivated by humanitarian concern, rather out of the cost in men and money required to conquer Native American lands
The author quotes Joseph J. Ellis's "American Creation", which I just finished reading. Reread pages 136..138. Ellis clearly states there were both economic *and* moral issue that Knox worried about. E.g., "It is difficult to know which of Knox's arguments - the moral, the economic, or the fate of Washington's own reputation - had the greatest impact."
I recommend a correction. Is the original author OK with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ROPWA ( talk • contribs) 14:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I can't say who the original author is and it's not relevant. The book you quote makes the claim that Knox was worried about a moral issue. But that doesn't mean that Knox opposed the wars of agression to steal NA lands or that he did so out of a concern for their welfare. Many people, including others involved in the NA Genocide, showed they were aware of the moral issues and they worried how they would look later on, hence talk of their "reputation". Knox was concerned for loss of troops and money involved in taking lands, not the issue of whether it was moral to take the land; he preferred to buy it, but would and did take it by force.
When looking at Knox's writings, the statement above is not inconsistent with saying that he was not motivated by "humanitarian concern"; more importantly, his actions as Secretary of War demonstrated that he was not interested in humanitarianism. How does "humanitarian concern" include advising Congress that a possible option to taking their lands is their "utter extirpation" or removing all the members of a tribe?
You do realise that meant killing entire tribes for their land as an option if they refused to sell? Is that "humanitarian concern"? That's a direct quote. Ebanony ( talk) 08:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm going the following: To say Knox had moral concern is what happened to many who did the things he did. They weere well aware of the fact they were involved in war crimes & agression for land; that does have an effect, and yes they knew it was morally wrong. They also knew slavery was wrong morally, but did it anyway.
There is an ambigious sentence: "Knox feared that a policy of constant provocation would lead to costly frontier wars that would hurt the nation."
Rather - and Knox states this explicitily in his letter - that the US wanted to obtain the land north of the River Ohio. It was not going to happen w/o buying it or the "utter extirpation " of all the NA. That's the context. The constant provactions was on the part of the US, always going westward to take land by purchase if possible and by force if necessary. That's Knox own writings. Ebanony ( talk) 00:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Ron Chernow says in his Washington biography "Washington: A Life" that Knox was basically AWOL during the Whiskey Rebellion, behavior which destroyed Washington's confidence in him and left him little option but to resign. Is this widely enough known/believed to be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.244.9 ( talk) 04:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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and also served as the first United States Secretary of War from 1789–1794.
However, the Benjamin_Lincoln article also says
From 1781 to late 1783, Lincoln served as the first Secretary at War.
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