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The result of the move request was: seems there is a general agreement that "Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier)", where this article has been located for the past week and a half, is the best available title. Jenks24 ( talk) 01:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Henry Johnson (1890 Medal of Honor)
Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier) →
Henry Johnson (Indian Wars soldier) – Or
Henry Johnson (9th Cavalry Regiment) or
Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier) (current title now). The other person,
William Henry Johnson, was awarded this year Medal of Honor. Therefore, there is no longer a distinction between the two. I propose three options; my least preference is "9th Cavalry Regiment". I prefer "soldier"/"Soldier".
George Ho (
talk) 06:14, 27 October 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
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05:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Just for an update, someone added "1890" after the RM was initiated. The proposal is still open. George Ho ( talk) 16:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Oppose move from current title which is accurate. Article has been modified a bit to clarify which Indian War engagement he received the medal for. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 22:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This Henry Johnson article does not mention who was fighting against the U.S. army in 1879 (year of action for Henry Johnson) or vice versa. I presume American Indians? Perhaps Sioux, perhaps Apache, who? Milk River is mentioned but given there is currently no Milk River engagement article, this article should give a bit of context. I see no mention of 1879 in the American Indian Wars article; i see a skip within "Black Hills" section from 1877 to 1890. Whatever happened in 1879 is one of few examples in Wikipedia in which there is implication that Buffalo Soldiers ever fought (were fired upon or used weapons against) American Indians.
In fact, there is no mention of Buffalo Soldiers at all in the main text of the American Indian Wars article, although there is a picture and its caption. This should be remedied.
The Buffalo Soldiers article mentions 1877 incident with one soldier, Private Randall, fighting Cheyenne, who seems to be the namesake for "Buffalo Solder" term for that incident. Otherwise the article dances around mention of an 1871 campaign vs. Comanche (did they fight though, or just ride around?). And there is summary mention of them serving "at a variety of posts" and during 1866-early 1890s participating "in most of the military campaigns in these areas and earn[ing] a distinguished record", but there is no mention of their being under fire or firing upon any Indians, besides the namesake 1877 incident. It is mysterious to me how nineteen Medals of Honor could have been earned. Perhaps they all relate to incidents in which Buffalo Soldiers were serving in support roles, and accidentally got involved in some action?
Also when Henry Johnson was given the Medal of Honor award in 1890 at Fort Robinson, why was there a military presence at all. I presume Fort Robinson and its troops were to keep the peace / pacify some tribe(s) of American Indians on reservations nearby? Some more context in this Henry Johnson article is needed, in addition to fixes needed at other articles, IMHO. -- do ncr am 14:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: seems there is a general agreement that "Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier)", where this article has been located for the past week and a half, is the best available title. Jenks24 ( talk) 01:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Henry Johnson (1890 Medal of Honor)
Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier) →
Henry Johnson (Indian Wars soldier) – Or
Henry Johnson (9th Cavalry Regiment) or
Henry Johnson (Buffalo Soldier) (current title now). The other person,
William Henry Johnson, was awarded this year Medal of Honor. Therefore, there is no longer a distinction between the two. I propose three options; my least preference is "9th Cavalry Regiment". I prefer "soldier"/"Soldier".
George Ho (
talk) 06:14, 27 October 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk)
05:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Just for an update, someone added "1890" after the RM was initiated. The proposal is still open. George Ho ( talk) 16:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Oppose move from current title which is accurate. Article has been modified a bit to clarify which Indian War engagement he received the medal for. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 22:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
This Henry Johnson article does not mention who was fighting against the U.S. army in 1879 (year of action for Henry Johnson) or vice versa. I presume American Indians? Perhaps Sioux, perhaps Apache, who? Milk River is mentioned but given there is currently no Milk River engagement article, this article should give a bit of context. I see no mention of 1879 in the American Indian Wars article; i see a skip within "Black Hills" section from 1877 to 1890. Whatever happened in 1879 is one of few examples in Wikipedia in which there is implication that Buffalo Soldiers ever fought (were fired upon or used weapons against) American Indians.
In fact, there is no mention of Buffalo Soldiers at all in the main text of the American Indian Wars article, although there is a picture and its caption. This should be remedied.
The Buffalo Soldiers article mentions 1877 incident with one soldier, Private Randall, fighting Cheyenne, who seems to be the namesake for "Buffalo Solder" term for that incident. Otherwise the article dances around mention of an 1871 campaign vs. Comanche (did they fight though, or just ride around?). And there is summary mention of them serving "at a variety of posts" and during 1866-early 1890s participating "in most of the military campaigns in these areas and earn[ing] a distinguished record", but there is no mention of their being under fire or firing upon any Indians, besides the namesake 1877 incident. It is mysterious to me how nineteen Medals of Honor could have been earned. Perhaps they all relate to incidents in which Buffalo Soldiers were serving in support roles, and accidentally got involved in some action?
Also when Henry Johnson was given the Medal of Honor award in 1890 at Fort Robinson, why was there a military presence at all. I presume Fort Robinson and its troops were to keep the peace / pacify some tribe(s) of American Indians on reservations nearby? Some more context in this Henry Johnson article is needed, in addition to fixes needed at other articles, IMHO. -- do ncr am 14:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)