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Please replace Henri with Toivonen in the text, per Wiki format. Also, please see if races can be linked. LessHeard vanU 21:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"In 1986 Henri drove the Delta S4 at the Estoril track. He set such a fast time that he would have qualified in 6th position at that years Formula 1 grand prix. This proved the immence speed of the Group B cars." <- I really doubt that statement. Wasn't the track used the shortened one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.76.247.55 ( talk • contribs) . — Preceding undated comment added 09:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
-- _- on this topic - and not to take anything away from the performance, but wasn't the _actual_ qualifying for that GP done in the rain? that would have made a big difference, and significantly bridged the gap. Having said that, there is _no_ denying his talent, or the car's potential, merely for the sake of accuracy.... -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.107.121 ( talk • contribs). — Preceding undated comment added 10:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've taken the rather dubious step of editing the article to contradict what the reference says. Kevlar is an aramid, and is definitely not a 'form of Carbon'. Chemically it does contain some carbon, but you might as well say that it's a form of Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen or Chlorine. I think what the author of the Sligo weekender article meant was that the bodywork of the car was formed of a kevlar-reinforced plastic composite, which is similar to the more familiar carbon-fibre reinforced plastic composite. In both cases the plastic matrix into which the kevlar/carbon fibres are set may burn quite well, depending on what type it is. I wouldn't normally argue from authority, but I've got a degree in engineering, and what the Sligo weekender article says is patently not true. You'll need another reference to support my re-wording, I'm afraid. 4u1e 14:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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It seems the exact cause of death - the impact of the fall, the explosion, the fire, or a combination of all three - is unknown, so these two sentences seem contradictory, the first suggesting cause of death is unknown, the second suggesting it is known ie they burnt to death: "This incident happened within seconds and Toivonen and his co-driver, Sergio Cresto were trapped and did not have time to get out had they still been alive ... Both Toivonen and Cresto burnt to death on their seats." 217.155.195.19 11:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw this had been listed at the League of Copyeditors since January (!) so I've having a bash at it. It's raising a few questions as well, so I'll list those here as I go along:
Prolog - your English is very good by the way, there's very little that really needs changing, 'm probably fiddling with things more than is strictly necessary ;-) 4u1e 10:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I have commented out a line in the Lancia paragraph about another Lancia driver's death as it seemed irrelevant. Someone should decide whether it is relevant or not and reinstate it/delete it as appropriate. Otherwise, a pretty easy proofread, nice work everyone! Cricketgirl 12:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed above two times but I deciced to start new paragraph because those above were last replied in April 2007.
I think the "it is often reported" is not enough. In addition to what it currently says there should be something about the unclear sources and that it's often regarded as urban myth because of it being physically impossible. I'm not sure how those would fit to Wikipedia rules but I feel that the way it is currently in the article, is not right either. I know it's there just because it is mentioned so often in webpages and also magazines and books (Rallyworld and Rallycourse) from 80's but likely they're all repeating the same myth, so it is questionable. Any thoughts? Timppis ( talk) 13:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Just an observation... surely Toivonen was not 'leading the championship' at the time of his accident (given that the 1986 WRC season article suggests Alen and Kankkunen would've overtaken him in the points table by the Corsica round)? I could've sworn I spotted another error in the text earlier, but can't remember what it was now. MRacer ( talk) 13:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Henri Toivonen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment. This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article comfortably meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I even recommend this go for FA at some point. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, -- Jackyd101 ( talk) 17:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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Please replace Henri with Toivonen in the text, per Wiki format. Also, please see if races can be linked. LessHeard vanU 21:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"In 1986 Henri drove the Delta S4 at the Estoril track. He set such a fast time that he would have qualified in 6th position at that years Formula 1 grand prix. This proved the immence speed of the Group B cars." <- I really doubt that statement. Wasn't the track used the shortened one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.76.247.55 ( talk • contribs) . — Preceding undated comment added 09:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
-- _- on this topic - and not to take anything away from the performance, but wasn't the _actual_ qualifying for that GP done in the rain? that would have made a big difference, and significantly bridged the gap. Having said that, there is _no_ denying his talent, or the car's potential, merely for the sake of accuracy.... -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.107.121 ( talk • contribs). — Preceding undated comment added 10:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've taken the rather dubious step of editing the article to contradict what the reference says. Kevlar is an aramid, and is definitely not a 'form of Carbon'. Chemically it does contain some carbon, but you might as well say that it's a form of Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen or Chlorine. I think what the author of the Sligo weekender article meant was that the bodywork of the car was formed of a kevlar-reinforced plastic composite, which is similar to the more familiar carbon-fibre reinforced plastic composite. In both cases the plastic matrix into which the kevlar/carbon fibres are set may burn quite well, depending on what type it is. I wouldn't normally argue from authority, but I've got a degree in engineering, and what the Sligo weekender article says is patently not true. You'll need another reference to support my re-wording, I'm afraid. 4u1e 14:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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It seems the exact cause of death - the impact of the fall, the explosion, the fire, or a combination of all three - is unknown, so these two sentences seem contradictory, the first suggesting cause of death is unknown, the second suggesting it is known ie they burnt to death: "This incident happened within seconds and Toivonen and his co-driver, Sergio Cresto were trapped and did not have time to get out had they still been alive ... Both Toivonen and Cresto burnt to death on their seats." 217.155.195.19 11:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw this had been listed at the League of Copyeditors since January (!) so I've having a bash at it. It's raising a few questions as well, so I'll list those here as I go along:
Prolog - your English is very good by the way, there's very little that really needs changing, 'm probably fiddling with things more than is strictly necessary ;-) 4u1e 10:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I have commented out a line in the Lancia paragraph about another Lancia driver's death as it seemed irrelevant. Someone should decide whether it is relevant or not and reinstate it/delete it as appropriate. Otherwise, a pretty easy proofread, nice work everyone! Cricketgirl 12:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed above two times but I deciced to start new paragraph because those above were last replied in April 2007.
I think the "it is often reported" is not enough. In addition to what it currently says there should be something about the unclear sources and that it's often regarded as urban myth because of it being physically impossible. I'm not sure how those would fit to Wikipedia rules but I feel that the way it is currently in the article, is not right either. I know it's there just because it is mentioned so often in webpages and also magazines and books (Rallyworld and Rallycourse) from 80's but likely they're all repeating the same myth, so it is questionable. Any thoughts? Timppis ( talk) 13:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Just an observation... surely Toivonen was not 'leading the championship' at the time of his accident (given that the 1986 WRC season article suggests Alen and Kankkunen would've overtaken him in the points table by the Corsica round)? I could've sworn I spotted another error in the text earlier, but can't remember what it was now. MRacer ( talk) 13:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
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