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What are the glaciated features? Is there Galciated erosional features, such as crag and Till?
What do you mean by that?. There are glaciated features all around. Red Tarn is a classic cwm, corrie or cirque.
I wondered if anyone has any information on how Helvellyn was named, when and by whom?. Timst 18.39 UTC, 4 November 2006
Timst. According to Brewer’s “Britain and Ireland” (2005) the name is Old Celtic in origin. It is an amalgamation of hal=upland and melyn=yellow. Liberally translated it means “yellow moor”. I am unsure why that name might have been adopted. But, bear in mind that places may have looked different in Old Celtic times to what they look now. regards. Bob BScar23625 19:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Chaps. I suggest a more mundane explanation. An area of upland which is not subject to sheep grazing quickly becomes covered by gorse. Gorse has bright yellow flowers, and an area densely populated by gorse looks yellow. Perhaps that is the explanation of the name?. Perhaps there were no sheep grazed on the steep slopes around Helvellyn in Celtic times and so Helvellyn was covered with bright yellow gorse?. Bob BScar23625 15:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Is Helvellyn's 'Parent Peak' really Scafell Pike? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.173.117 ( talk) 23:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems odd that there is no mention of the ‘Avro 585 Gosport’ on the Wikipedia page named ‘Avro’. Neither ‘585’ nor ‘Gosport’ appears on this page. Anybody know anything about this?
Further to the above, the plot thickens. The Wikipedia page named ‘John F. Leeming’ (one of the two men who landed on Helvellyn) refers to the aeroplane as an ‘Avro Avian 585’. The Avro page lists the Avro 594 Avian and the Avro 616 Avian, but no Avro Avian 585 (or Avro 585 Avian). Can anyone sort this out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.67.72 ( talk) 21:04, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I wonder why the metres-to-feet converter isn’t working properly. 950 metres = 3,117 feet (to the nearest whole number; to be exact, it’s a fraction less), not 3,120 feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.85.215 ( talk) 17:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Blisco. Fair enough. On another matter, your attention to the picture gallery has resulted in several images with people in them being removed. While you have retained 4 landscape-only pictures which are all virtually the same. Do you have some problem with pictures having people in them?. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 17:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I posted photographs that I presumed would have been of interest to anyone wanting to view the Helvellyn page. They seem to have been removed for no reason at all. Fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs) 18:54, 19 November 2006
Timst. I may be the guilty party on that. 4 very similar images were added in early November. Perhaps it might have been better to pick the best 1 or 2?. If you want to put the deleted ones back, then that is fine by me. As an aside, there was a very striking one titled something like "Janet on Striding Edge", which I think has been removed because its author didn't give proper copyright information. Bob BScar23625 19:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Blisco. No problem. I agree that more text is needed, but a photo gallery where people can display their "snaps" probably does no harm so long as it is at the end of the article. Perhaps a clear-out once a year might be useful?. You have explained yourself, so if you wish to revert my changes I will not object. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 19:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
This issue of removing photographs is getting ridiculous. Who is playing judge, jury and executioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs)
I feel the suggestion that the article is not textually large enough to accomodate several photographs is false. What happened to "a picture speaks a thousand words"? Surely the purpose of the article is to inform. Several of the photographs that have been removed served to illustrate the magnificent natural beauty of Helvellyn and the surrounding area. No additional text was necessary. Tim Stevens 15.00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Tim. You inserted some fine images created under ideal conditions. Whenever I go to Helvellyn, the visibility is less than 10 metres. But all four of them seemed very similar. Blisco has retained the best one of them. Surely, that is sufficient?. Bob BScar23625 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I would disagree. Surely one of the main groups of people who view this article are those planning to climb Helvellyn. There is now no photograph showing the "classic" route via Striding Edge, Helvellyn, Swirral Edge and Catstye Cam. That is one of the reasons I posted such photographs. Not for any personal attention (the photos are available elsewhere), but to give a guide to anyone planning the ascent. The "purpose" of the article is a moot point. I understand that the article is not a photo gallery, but photographs are (to many people) more informative and enjoyable than excessive text. Tim Stevens 10:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The summit group picture does offer something. If anyone wants to replace it with a better image of the summit, then that is fine. I am not biased by the fact that the figures are me and my 17 year old son. The same personalities appear in the Cross Fell article. We went a bit further west than usual on the day of our vist to Helvellyn. Bob BScar23625 16:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see my question on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiddaw discussion page as it is relevant to this page too. 88.109.64.130 15:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this page through a link from Google Earth, Google Earth currently shows Hellvellyn in the wrong location in the Lake district. Perhaps one of you with more knowledge than me could put this right for the benefit of others - C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.169.124 ( talk) 21:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit that says:
I am removing the words "despite the warnings". There is a strong implication of blame in that phrase, so I think we should avoid it unless there is some source to firmly establish that the warnings were still considered current at the times of the accidents. The main warning was made on the 5th [1], and by the 6th the conditions were already said to be improving, although a warning remained in place [2]. The accidents happened on the 9th and the 12th [3]. — Alan ✉ 20:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, only one of the recent fatalities was on Striding Edge. The other was on the other side of Helvellyn, by Brown Cove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
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Mineral veins do exist: perhaps say (and wikilink) which minerals attracted the miners' interest, both in the lead and in the Mining section.
Suggest merging short paragraphs (geology, botany) in the lead.
Perhaps mention and wikilink some of the poets in the lead.
known to W. A. Poucher. Perhaps say briefly who he was.
It's a shame that the very helpful map of the ridges does not show the walks and their starting points as named in the article - they would make the text easier to follow. That could be a separate map, of course. Certainly not a precondition for GA.
Twitter: wikilink.
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both of which appear pale and bleached in winter.[45]:197 Both of these grasses: perhaps get rid of one of the "both"s.
Many thanks to 151.227.6.72 for providing what I take to be Collingwood's etymology of Helvellyn. However, since this is not given in any of the sources cited in the article, we really need a citation for it. If you do come back to this page, 151.227.6.72, it would be very helpful if you could add the source of your information, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silence-is-infinite ( talk • contribs) 10:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
The image entitled "Pieces of lapilli-tuff from the Helvellyn Tuff Formation, found on Catstye Cam, showing dark-coloured, flattened lapilli in the rocks," technically correct but the correct term for the "flattened lapilli" is "FIAMME," and is actually flattened pumice.Most of the volcanic tuffs that form the Borrowdale Volcanics show fiamme. The Geologist ( talk) 13:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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I seem to remember, years ago, reading or hearing something about a man. presumably quite an eccentric character, who tried to ride a horse along Striding Edge, with fatal consequences for both himself and the horse. There seems to be nothing online about this, though. Did I imagine it? Is it an urban a rural myth? Or does any other Wikipedia user know anything about it? — Preceding
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Is Helvellyn derived from the Welsh/Cumbric - and therefore "correctly" pronounced with the delightful welsh "ll", or is it well and truly anglicised now? 78.149.135.147 ( talk) 09:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
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What are the glaciated features? Is there Galciated erosional features, such as crag and Till?
What do you mean by that?. There are glaciated features all around. Red Tarn is a classic cwm, corrie or cirque.
I wondered if anyone has any information on how Helvellyn was named, when and by whom?. Timst 18.39 UTC, 4 November 2006
Timst. According to Brewer’s “Britain and Ireland” (2005) the name is Old Celtic in origin. It is an amalgamation of hal=upland and melyn=yellow. Liberally translated it means “yellow moor”. I am unsure why that name might have been adopted. But, bear in mind that places may have looked different in Old Celtic times to what they look now. regards. Bob BScar23625 19:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Chaps. I suggest a more mundane explanation. An area of upland which is not subject to sheep grazing quickly becomes covered by gorse. Gorse has bright yellow flowers, and an area densely populated by gorse looks yellow. Perhaps that is the explanation of the name?. Perhaps there were no sheep grazed on the steep slopes around Helvellyn in Celtic times and so Helvellyn was covered with bright yellow gorse?. Bob BScar23625 15:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Is Helvellyn's 'Parent Peak' really Scafell Pike? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.173.117 ( talk) 23:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
It seems odd that there is no mention of the ‘Avro 585 Gosport’ on the Wikipedia page named ‘Avro’. Neither ‘585’ nor ‘Gosport’ appears on this page. Anybody know anything about this?
Further to the above, the plot thickens. The Wikipedia page named ‘John F. Leeming’ (one of the two men who landed on Helvellyn) refers to the aeroplane as an ‘Avro Avian 585’. The Avro page lists the Avro 594 Avian and the Avro 616 Avian, but no Avro Avian 585 (or Avro 585 Avian). Can anyone sort this out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.67.72 ( talk) 21:04, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
I wonder why the metres-to-feet converter isn’t working properly. 950 metres = 3,117 feet (to the nearest whole number; to be exact, it’s a fraction less), not 3,120 feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.85.215 ( talk) 17:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Blisco. Fair enough. On another matter, your attention to the picture gallery has resulted in several images with people in them being removed. While you have retained 4 landscape-only pictures which are all virtually the same. Do you have some problem with pictures having people in them?. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 17:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I posted photographs that I presumed would have been of interest to anyone wanting to view the Helvellyn page. They seem to have been removed for no reason at all. Fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs) 18:54, 19 November 2006
Timst. I may be the guilty party on that. 4 very similar images were added in early November. Perhaps it might have been better to pick the best 1 or 2?. If you want to put the deleted ones back, then that is fine by me. As an aside, there was a very striking one titled something like "Janet on Striding Edge", which I think has been removed because its author didn't give proper copyright information. Bob BScar23625 19:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Blisco. No problem. I agree that more text is needed, but a photo gallery where people can display their "snaps" probably does no harm so long as it is at the end of the article. Perhaps a clear-out once a year might be useful?. You have explained yourself, so if you wish to revert my changes I will not object. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 19:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
This issue of removing photographs is getting ridiculous. Who is playing judge, jury and executioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs)
I feel the suggestion that the article is not textually large enough to accomodate several photographs is false. What happened to "a picture speaks a thousand words"? Surely the purpose of the article is to inform. Several of the photographs that have been removed served to illustrate the magnificent natural beauty of Helvellyn and the surrounding area. No additional text was necessary. Tim Stevens 15.00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Tim. You inserted some fine images created under ideal conditions. Whenever I go to Helvellyn, the visibility is less than 10 metres. But all four of them seemed very similar. Blisco has retained the best one of them. Surely, that is sufficient?. Bob BScar23625 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I would disagree. Surely one of the main groups of people who view this article are those planning to climb Helvellyn. There is now no photograph showing the "classic" route via Striding Edge, Helvellyn, Swirral Edge and Catstye Cam. That is one of the reasons I posted such photographs. Not for any personal attention (the photos are available elsewhere), but to give a guide to anyone planning the ascent. The "purpose" of the article is a moot point. I understand that the article is not a photo gallery, but photographs are (to many people) more informative and enjoyable than excessive text. Tim Stevens 10:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The summit group picture does offer something. If anyone wants to replace it with a better image of the summit, then that is fine. I am not biased by the fact that the figures are me and my 17 year old son. The same personalities appear in the Cross Fell article. We went a bit further west than usual on the day of our vist to Helvellyn. Bob BScar23625 16:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see my question on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiddaw discussion page as it is relevant to this page too. 88.109.64.130 15:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this page through a link from Google Earth, Google Earth currently shows Hellvellyn in the wrong location in the Lake district. Perhaps one of you with more knowledge than me could put this right for the benefit of others - C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.169.124 ( talk) 21:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit that says:
I am removing the words "despite the warnings". There is a strong implication of blame in that phrase, so I think we should avoid it unless there is some source to firmly establish that the warnings were still considered current at the times of the accidents. The main warning was made on the 5th [1], and by the 6th the conditions were already said to be improving, although a warning remained in place [2]. The accidents happened on the 9th and the 12th [3]. — Alan ✉ 20:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, only one of the recent fatalities was on Striding Edge. The other was on the other side of Helvellyn, by Brown Cove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timst ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
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Mineral veins do exist: perhaps say (and wikilink) which minerals attracted the miners' interest, both in the lead and in the Mining section.
Suggest merging short paragraphs (geology, botany) in the lead.
Perhaps mention and wikilink some of the poets in the lead.
known to W. A. Poucher. Perhaps say briefly who he was.
It's a shame that the very helpful map of the ridges does not show the walks and their starting points as named in the article - they would make the text easier to follow. That could be a separate map, of course. Certainly not a precondition for GA.
Twitter: wikilink.
Solway Firth, Cheviot Hills, Pennine Hills: wikilink.
Tourism, shepherds: also foxhunting on foot in the area, if you can find a reference.
William and Dorothy Wordsworth: should wikilink the first mentions, not the second.
both of which appear pale and bleached in winter.[45]:197 Both of these grasses: perhaps get rid of one of the "both"s.
Many thanks to 151.227.6.72 for providing what I take to be Collingwood's etymology of Helvellyn. However, since this is not given in any of the sources cited in the article, we really need a citation for it. If you do come back to this page, 151.227.6.72, it would be very helpful if you could add the source of your information, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silence-is-infinite ( talk • contribs) 10:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
The image entitled "Pieces of lapilli-tuff from the Helvellyn Tuff Formation, found on Catstye Cam, showing dark-coloured, flattened lapilli in the rocks," technically correct but the correct term for the "flattened lapilli" is "FIAMME," and is actually flattened pumice.Most of the volcanic tuffs that form the Borrowdale Volcanics show fiamme. The Geologist ( talk) 13:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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I seem to remember, years ago, reading or hearing something about a man. presumably quite an eccentric character, who tried to ride a horse along Striding Edge, with fatal consequences for both himself and the horse. There seems to be nothing online about this, though. Did I imagine it? Is it an urban a rural myth? Or does any other Wikipedia user know anything about it? — Preceding
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Is Helvellyn derived from the Welsh/Cumbric - and therefore "correctly" pronounced with the delightful welsh "ll", or is it well and truly anglicised now? 78.149.135.147 ( talk) 09:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)