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![]() | On 22 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Helsinki tram network to Trams in Helsinki. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Since nothing has happened with the split I originally proposed almost two years ago, I've taken it upon myself to design alternative versions of this article. They are available at User:JIP/Helsinki tram and User:JIP/History of the Helsinki tram. For now, I just copied the entire Bibliography section from the main article to the history article. I'll have to remove any sources from the Bibliography section in the history article that aren't referred to in the text. JIP | Talk 18:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The title of this article is rather "non-standard" for English-language Wikipedia. Articles on metropolitan tram systems tend to have a "Trams in [city]" title - for example: Trams in Vienna, Trams in Prague, Trams in Moscow, Trams in Berlin, Trams in Brussels, etc.
If there are no objections lodged here, I'd like to "move" this article to "Trams in Helsinki" in the near future. If anyone has issues with this, or other comments, please post them here. Thanks! -- IJBall ( talk) 20:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Update: After some thought, I am now thinking that it is better to leave this page at "Helsinki tram". There is at least one other article with this naming format (e.g. Athens tram). I'll note that, as a long-standing historical system, it would probably be better that this article be moved to "Trams in Helsinki" for the reasons outlined above (mostly for consistency's sake). But, right now, I doubt there's consensus for such a move, so let's just leave this article where it is for the time being. -- IJBall ( talk) 23:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Before someone finds and uses this link [1], at present saying the network has 289 stops (of which "284 used by tram lines", whatever that means the five other stops are for), please think a bit. This page on the same site [2] tells us there are 38 km. of double track, which (with the lower number of stops) would yield an average stop spacing of less than 140 metres. That would be a uniquely dense spacing. Even assuming each stop is counted twice – once per direction – the spacing would be very dense indeed. Something seems to be wrong in the source. 151.177.62.155 ( talk) 03:20, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
railway=tram
data for Helsinki from
OpenStreetMap, which produces ~100 kilometres of single-line trackage. 38 kilometres of double track might be about right (plus loops, single track, depots, left-over bits of track). I might do some further analysis later, or if other people want to, I used
http://overpass-turbo.eu/ to run the query, and chucked it in JOSM (which can't handle it all at once, so it required approximate manual chunking). —
Sladen (
talk)
21:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)The result of the move request was: Moved, broad agreement without objections ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
– There is a new line 15, which is mostly described as a light rail line instead of a tram line, however the two terms seem to be both used by reliable sources with 'light rail' being a subtype of 'tram' (see for example [3]). The new line is also fully separate from the current network, but they're fully compatible and there are plans to mix the two styles (city center tram and light rail) together within the next decade. So with the limited RS coverage currently out there, I think we should write about both the city center network and other tram/light rail lines being built around the Helsinki region in this article, but drop the 'network' term since we're no longer talking about the single network. Taavi ( talk!) 18:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | On 22 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Helsinki tram network to Trams in Helsinki. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Since nothing has happened with the split I originally proposed almost two years ago, I've taken it upon myself to design alternative versions of this article. They are available at User:JIP/Helsinki tram and User:JIP/History of the Helsinki tram. For now, I just copied the entire Bibliography section from the main article to the history article. I'll have to remove any sources from the Bibliography section in the history article that aren't referred to in the text. JIP | Talk 18:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The title of this article is rather "non-standard" for English-language Wikipedia. Articles on metropolitan tram systems tend to have a "Trams in [city]" title - for example: Trams in Vienna, Trams in Prague, Trams in Moscow, Trams in Berlin, Trams in Brussels, etc.
If there are no objections lodged here, I'd like to "move" this article to "Trams in Helsinki" in the near future. If anyone has issues with this, or other comments, please post them here. Thanks! -- IJBall ( talk) 20:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Update: After some thought, I am now thinking that it is better to leave this page at "Helsinki tram". There is at least one other article with this naming format (e.g. Athens tram). I'll note that, as a long-standing historical system, it would probably be better that this article be moved to "Trams in Helsinki" for the reasons outlined above (mostly for consistency's sake). But, right now, I doubt there's consensus for such a move, so let's just leave this article where it is for the time being. -- IJBall ( talk) 23:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Before someone finds and uses this link [1], at present saying the network has 289 stops (of which "284 used by tram lines", whatever that means the five other stops are for), please think a bit. This page on the same site [2] tells us there are 38 km. of double track, which (with the lower number of stops) would yield an average stop spacing of less than 140 metres. That would be a uniquely dense spacing. Even assuming each stop is counted twice – once per direction – the spacing would be very dense indeed. Something seems to be wrong in the source. 151.177.62.155 ( talk) 03:20, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
railway=tram
data for Helsinki from
OpenStreetMap, which produces ~100 kilometres of single-line trackage. 38 kilometres of double track might be about right (plus loops, single track, depots, left-over bits of track). I might do some further analysis later, or if other people want to, I used
http://overpass-turbo.eu/ to run the query, and chucked it in JOSM (which can't handle it all at once, so it required approximate manual chunking). —
Sladen (
talk)
21:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)The result of the move request was: Moved, broad agreement without objections ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
– There is a new line 15, which is mostly described as a light rail line instead of a tram line, however the two terms seem to be both used by reliable sources with 'light rail' being a subtype of 'tram' (see for example [3]). The new line is also fully separate from the current network, but they're fully compatible and there are plans to mix the two styles (city center tram and light rail) together within the next decade. So with the limited RS coverage currently out there, I think we should write about both the city center network and other tram/light rail lines being built around the Helsinki region in this article, but drop the 'network' term since we're no longer talking about the single network. Taavi ( talk!) 18:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)