If someone has info on the origin of the name "Helsinki", I'd be interested to know. - Quirk 18:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is no demographics section in this article, so, could somebody to write it? I would like to know is the Finnish or Swedish language dominant in Helsinki? User:PANONIAN
Should a separate category Category:Buildings and structures in Helsinki be created? It could be a subcategory of both Category:Helsinki and Category:Buildings and structures in Finland. There's no need to create further subcategories for different types of buildings and structures in Helsinki, as that would be overcategorisation. — JIP | Talk 10:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that Helsinki has hosted the World Championships twice: 1983 and (currently running) 2005
I think there's quite a bit of things that need to be changed in this article... allthough there is the needed information it is not as wel lcomposed as other similar articles about other cities...
A few things i noted:
The link under economy of helsinki leads to "helsinki ICT and digital media culture", what's up with that? i know there are some IT-companies in Helsinki but still that has very little to do with Helsinki's economy! maybe the whole heading should be removed unless something regarding the economy is not written there.
Of course there is allot to write about the economy in helsinki, which at the moment isn't very good due to the "kuntaverouudistus" some years back.
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i removed it from teh headings. Someone with the rights might want to remove the main article too. Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Under the heading "culture" about three fourths of the text is about Helsinki's architecture... maybe this should be another heading? and something mroe written about cultural events etc. in the city?
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i changed this Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a travel guide, that's what wikitravel's for. So maybe the "sites of intresest" part should be re-written to at least not contain clauses such as "If you are into architecture, Temppeliaukion kirkko is worth seeing. Built inside of stone, this unconventional church is regularly visited by tourists.".
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Why can't universities in Helsinki be a subheading of education in Helsinki? and also, universities is the wrong word when AMK-schools are also lsited, the correct term is institutions of higher education or something like that is it not?
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i changed this Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
A doubt: "Half of the 41 upper secondary schools are private or state-owned." Who owns the other half? - sooraj 11 June 2006
This section looks awful. It should either be made into an alphabetised list or reorganised with actual structure. — JIP | Talk 10:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Boy, Finland nearly lost this one . Add this in, folks!
Helsinki nearly lost its title as capital of Finland on April of 1967. Apparently, the government had put in a bad law, causing riots everywhere.
I'm surprised this isn't in school textbooks.
Below are some past discussed names i moved from the improvementslist just so that we don't need to go through these names again. But i recommend that if you want to add a new name then before doing it take it up here as a subheader.
Below are some points that maybe should be reviewed before nominatign someone or adding someone the list (please feel free to contribute more points or dissagree, i am not trying to be a self-proclaimed profet here ;))
Add possible add's rm's for discussion here:
well ummh... it seems people have just splatted in their idols into the list since... well... is it really important on an itenrnational encyclopedia to note that Kirka and Zyscowitz are from helsinki? they are not that famous relly :) Sami Garam i can understand in the sence that he is well-renowned in Helsinki for being an expert in Helsinki-slang. Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
(I think we have decided on these as no)
Okay seems the following should be be No or No later:
Okay... all good to linda, but... is she really famous outside of finland... no... and is she really famous for her (probably quite nice) violin playing? no. Sorry but i don't think a centerfold is merits enough to be a "notable native" in the class of the others listed here. If Linda should be listed then i could probably say 50 other listable names.... any objections to removing her?
Gillis 16:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay i removed Linda Brava, any objections can be aired here. Gillis 18:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Linda has played as a soloist with orchestras like La Scala Orchestra, The BBC National Orchestra of Wales and Stockholm Sinfonietta.
She has been an international model for Björn Borg and Christian Lacroix.
Linda has toured and performed in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, USA, Canada, Great Britain, Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Scandinavia et cetera.
She has released a classical album worldwide after being singned up for EMI Classics.
Linda has graced the covers of numerous European fashion magazines, and newspapers and magazines like Gramophone (excellent and positive review on Linda's classical album), Classic FM (Linda was called as a violin sensation on the cover story), The Times, The New York Times, The Sunday Times (on the cover of its cultural enclosure), Evening Saturday, The Sun (Linda on it's cover and rated her above Vanessa Mae), The European, Hello! (a five-page article), ELLE, Vogue, Maxim, Café (coverstory), GQ, Q-Magazine, Details (named Linda the best newcomer in music- and sex-categories) and Playboy Magazine (a ten-page article with photos) have written about Linda´s musical career.
Linda has performed and been interviewed on many TV shows all over the Europe, USA and Asia.
Her performance in Royal Albert Hall was shown on BBC and Eurosport worldwide, and her performance in Unicef gala was shown on RTL.
Linda´s music video for Ave Maria is still one of the most watched on Classic FM TV. Classic FM TV´s star search gives you Linda as a one of the stars of the classical music.
I think that Linda deserves her place as a notable native.
User:80.222.58.49 on 07:11, 12 March 2006
Atleast i haven't heard much about them lately in the "mainstream", so i took the liverty of removing them. I think the notable natives lsit should be more of a list of long-term notable people, not the makers of this years summer-hits. (Don't know if Ville Valo should stay, but he seems to at least be a little longer-lived artist. + The Rasmus is mentiond under the "culture" heading already.
Gillis 17:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I did a revert on the addition of some pop-signers fro mthe notable natives on 8.7.2006.
I feel that Ville Valo (lead singer of HIM), the rasmus or the 69 eyes are not really worth to make it on the current list. These are 15-minutes-of-fame pop-artists, and i feel the list should be of the kind that it doesen't need to be modified every sumemr depending on what's playing in teh radio, not that that in itself would be a problem, but i think having more people that have done things that they will be known of in 10,20 or 100 years is more encyclopedic. I think that the lead singer of the rasmus (or maybe it was HIM i can't remember) himself said when he heard they had been played more than jean sibelius that year "Well this is great and all, but i have no doubt about who of us two [he or sibelius] will be more played in 50 years."
There is a category with people from helsinki or helsinki births or something like that, that i think is notability enough for pop-stars. Also it is notable that many of the mentioned bands are already listed under "culture".
furthermore the names listed should be world-wide renowned people. And although the Finnish gossip-press wants to make it look otherwise Finnish pop-stars are not really big outside of Finland. Okay they might be played here and there but they aren't really "big names".
Gillis 19:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- I would also consider adding Michael Monroe back there. Hanoi Rocks was one of those bands that never sold well, but had a big influence on the scene and on other bands, and Michael Monroe is well known among rock-musicians. Of course this depends whether we’re listing of people who’ve had influence (in this case he should be added), or just names that are widely known everywhere in the world (in this case he doesn't qualify). Manatar 04:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
...we make a separate article about notable people from Helsinki? -- TonyM キタ━( °∀° )━ッ!! 19:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Come on having Ville Valo and Lauri Ylönen on the list is just stupid in my humble oppinion. Him is the more renowned and so far longer lasting of the two, but still the best HIM has done internationally could be pictured pretty much by "only" having made it to a gold record and as best somewhere around the top30 line on the billboards. And i doubt they will stay on the billboards around the world for many years. In comparison an article about Stockholm could probably present 10-20 people with similar merits(but doesen't). HIM and the rasmus are both listed under the culture part of the article and are part of the "list of people from Helsinki" article. I believe this is sufficient. Gillis 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Just hit me when i reverted jean sibelius (Sibbe is not a helsinki native, if he would have been he'd surely qualify) from the list, that Adolf Ehrnrooth is a helsinki native that could maybe qualify for the list? he was voted the fourth greatest finn in " suuret suomalaiset" of all time in front of a bunch of other names that are on this very list. Of course he is not world-famous, except perhaps to some extent among a small group of WWII fans and historians. But he could be considered to have had a relatively big effect on the path Finnish history. Thoughts? Gillis 22:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Without splitting hairs, isn't selänne fro mespoo judging from his junior club being one in Espoo? Gillis ( talk) 20:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so is it only me that takes the addition of "aarne arvonen" as largely a joke? I mean what merits him for the list other than living a long life and having taken part in the civil war? Him still living todayis something i do not see as meriting him for the list. All honour to veterans etc. but if he is there then why aren't a whole bunch of other civil war veterans? the list isn't for living people. Does this to someone else seem mostly as someone adding their old relative to wikipedia? Gillis ( talk) 12:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It seems 62.165.185.143 has been adding tens of thousands of inhabitants into the population statistics of Helsinki without any given source (and checking the users other contribs probably to other cities too)
i have a hard time believing the population would have changed this radically in a year with a average population change of around zero percent. The below Finnish väestörekisterikeskus data also proves me right, i put in this as the amount of helsinkains, and reverted the data about greater helsinki.
http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi/vrk/home.nsf/pages/B3E010C5FB6FB33AC2256FFC00464D40
But please be on the lookout for this kind of changes.
And 62.165.185.143, you are allowed to prove me wrong, but then present some viable government or other neutral source.
Gillis 11:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
"Gillis (→Economy - this paragraph is not really true. Since Helsinki has one of the smallest social inequalities of any city in the world it's size.)"
How come isn't it true? Please, could you specify a bit? :)
Helsinki *has* its fair share of problems, although not to the same extent as many other cities in the world. For example, its murder rate is highest in western Europe and there are more homeless people per 100,000 residents than in many American cities. Also, to my knowledge, violent crime has been on the increase recently. Let's not make the article too biased. ;)
One of the sources for murder rate http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150000/images/_153988_murder_rate2-150.GIF
As of 2004, the number of homeless in Finland was estimated to be 7,700 single people and 350 families, of which more than half lived in Helsinki metropolitan area. Sadly, I don't have the link where this was compared with statistics in USA and Sweden immediately available, but if you wish I can try to locate it. It was shown at www.finlandforthought.net blog some time ago. http://www.ymparisto.fi/default.asp?node=17791&lan=en
Although you definitely are true that there aren't really proper slums in Helsinki, can we say it's unique in the world? Certain suburbs or areas in Helsinki would definitely qualify as areas (almost) explicitly inhabited by poorer people. The average income in some eastern suburbs, for example, was 15,000 euros per person. That's about one third of what the average income is in the neighbourhoods of southern Helsinki. Also, given the fact that crime rate among some immigrant groups his far above the national average, we could conclude that Helsinki isn't exactly egalitarian city, while the general situation there is extremely good.
Cheers! Thanks for the feedback.
-T
True on both accounts, the murders don't usually take place on the streets but at people's homes, often between family members. However, they tend to be more common among less well-off people. Also, regarding the homelessness issue, I know that here the society provides at least something, so that the people don't have to try to manage by themselves alone. Still, I would stick to my claim that like all big cities in the world, there's difference between the various areas of Helsinki. :) It's not all that big problem, as I said (I did, after all, only write to the page that "the social inequality is on the rise"), but the article shouldn't be too much of a tourist advertisement. Looking at the economics part, I think it could more clearly and further underline the city's importance to Finland's economy.
If it's ok, I think I could write something about the services part later. I think the "Also police and fire departments serve citizens." has been there too long already. It has fair share of comedy value, though. :)
-T
"And at the threat of sounding too right wing" Nothing wrong with that. :) Despite the impression I may have given my political views on Finnish political spectrum lean bit towards there... But nah, I fully understand your point now. Thanks for the explanation.
How should the Helsinki article as a whole be expanded and improved? I think we should use Wikipedia articles on well-covered cities like Berlin as an example. There's much to do, but I think that with some work it can look a whole lot better at the end of the summer.
-T
Sami isn't spoken in Helsinki... And spoken by only a few thousand in whole of Finland too.-- 80.186.100.180 22:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Sámi is spoken in Helsinki; ignorance of that fact is not really an excuse. For that matter, Northern Sámi is spoken by so many people that there is actually a language immersion program for children here (kielipesä). I can't say what the situation is for Inari Sámi, but there are also a number of Skolt speakers here. - Yupik 07:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
User Ulayiti removed the trivia part a month back or so... was this really necessary, is not having trivia in articles a general policy on wikipedia. I agree that there is useless trivia, but some could just as well be written under other headers, but would just be more accessible facts when put under trivia.
Gillis 19:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In winter, I and my father routinely go on skiing trips on the sea ice in Haukilahti, Espoo, very near Helsinki. We never have to worry about the ice breaking or melting, or otherwise falling into the sea. So therefore the statement "much caution must be taken" struck me as odd. But it is true that because of all the ship traffic, and complete urbanisation of the entire downtown Helsinki (Haukilahti is a more rural district), the ice in Helsinki never grows as thick and undisturbed as the ice in Espoo. There is ship traffic from Helsinki to Stockholm (see Ruotsinlaiva) all year round. The only ship traffic in Espoo is intra-city, and even that only in summer. JIP | Talk 20:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest a new category for the capital cities of Scandinavia/the Nordic, including Copenhagen, Helsinki, Oslo, Reykjavik and Stockholm. (I've posted this message on the talk page for each city.) Comments, anyone? /M.O ( u) ( t) 15:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
On December 16, 2004, The World Factbook, a publication of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) added an entry for the European Union. [1] According to the CIA, the European Union was added because the EU "continues to accrue more nation-like characteristics for itself". Their reasoning was explained in this small statement in the introduction:
The evolution of the European Union (EU) from a regional economic agreement among six neighboring states in 1951 to today's supranational organization of 25 countries across the European continent stands as an unprecedented phenomenon in the annals of history... ... for such a large number of nation-states to cede some of their sovereignty to an overarching entity is truly unique... ... the EU ... has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries.
I might add that EU citizens have EU- numberplates, -passports, drivinglicense, the EU institutions, and regular election. I hope you support the small extension I made... all the best Lear 21 18:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible for us to get a Helsinki accent recording of the city's Swedish name? Because the one now sounds awfully like Sweden-Swedish, especially the "fors" part. Andelarion 17:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I also find much to be hoped for even in the pronunciation of the native Finnish version: 1) the sample seems hastily cut at the beginning, so that the initial glottal stop and harshness of a fully pronounced, dictionary-style 'h' are more or less inaudible, 2) there's severe breath on the microphone which might fool some learners of the language into believing there is a kind of plosive at the start, 3) most likely due to pronunciation in isolation from running prosody, and also performance stress, the characteristic falling tone of Finnish from initial accent is largely absent, 4) the syllabic timing somehows seem a bit off from the standard/average, as if the word was read aloud instead of just being spoken, and finally 5) the recording should be done at a higher amplitude and using a professional microphone, so as to avoid smearing the detailed phonetics.
If you agree, I just might be able to help, both here and elsewhere -- some of my friends are in the recording and narration business, and then a session to properly rerecord a single word wouldn't make nearly as much sense as to work through the 100-1000 most referred-to Finnish concepts at once. If you're interested, please update my talk page. Decoy ( talk) 16:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The intro sentence claims that the Finnish name is "Helsinki" and the Swedish name is "Helsingfors". If so, then what does the "Helsingin", which is neither of those two spellings, in the city template mean? If you answer this question here, could you please let me know on my user talk page so I'll know to come check this page? Thanks. — Lowellian ( reply) 12:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I find strange this quote. What does it mean "freedom" to work seasonably and sporadically? "Freedom" to die for hungry in the other seasons? This sounds like right-wing propaganda and not neautral. Val
I think the slang terms that are poined out to the Helsinki slang in many cases are quite useless without a IPA on how they are pronounced. They differ from names of places etc. people still know what place it is even if it's misspronounced, and very well may be pronounced in a different way in a different language. And many of the Helsinki slang terms don't have a definitive spelling. But for slang terms, such as "hietsu" in the article, pronouncing it as a english-speaker, which i guess is the most plausible for reader of this article not familiar with the term would pronounce it as one would pronounce in finnish~the gibberish "hai jietsy"(stadi would be about "steidj" and so on). I'm no good at IPA so someone who is fluent in that could put in the slang terms? Gillis 18:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Umm, actually written Finnish corresponds quite well with its phonetics (hence the saying "Finnish is written like it is spoken"). What you most likely are referring to are pronunciation guides for English speaking people (such as APA). I can't really claim to know much about phonetic discriptions but anyone willing to write them should give a moment of reflection to the famous Helsinki variant of the fricative s (/z/?). Juhoi ( talk) 00:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I have been thinking of moving the architecture subsection to Architecture in Helsinki, but the problem is, there is already an article there, about an Australian band who happens to be named Architecture in Helsinki. I can't change the band's name, and all incoming links to the article are about the band, not about actual architecture in Helsinki. So I would have to call the new article Architecture in Helsinki (something), but what? "Real"? "Not band"? JIP | Talk 19:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
well the introduction to the article is a bit misleading imho...
"Helsinki is the international gateway of Finland. The city has Finland's largest immigrant population in both absolute and relative terms. There are people from over 130 nationalities resident in Helsinki. The largest groups are from Russia, Estonia, Sweden, Somalia, Serbia, China, Iraq and Germany."
This makes it sound like the streets are full of people from all around the world meeting in the one multi-cultural friendly meeting place and metropolitan city of Helsinki. But honestly, our immigration policies in Finland are embarrassing, i think we have the least amount of immigrants from around the world in the whole of western Europe. A black man in the metro is something unusual that everyone notices etc. not to speak about the bad quality of average ethnic food ;) Although Helsinki maybe has the most immigrants per population in Finland it is nowhere close to big metropolitan cities in the amount of immigrants. If i remember correctly Sweden has more than ten times the amounts of immigrants compared to Finland.
So any suggestions to change the intro to reflect reality a bit more?
Gillis 20:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it was because it was hard for the ships to get in the harbor due to strong currents (I ain't sure) Peacekeeper II, too lazy to log on since -06 12:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
That panorama is quite silly because the sun looks like a nuclear explosion! :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peace keeper II ( talk • contribs) 12:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
"Today Helsinki is the second most sparsely populated European capital after Brussels"
Doesn't make any sense to me.
Helsinki's density 3 048.6/km²
and so on.
No one answered, but I removed that sentece anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.165.200 ( talk) 21:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
"Stadilainen" is a slang word, Finnish demonym is "helsinkiläinen", and English something else.
The demonym for Helsinki should be "helsinkiläinen", which means "person from Helsinki". "Stadilainen" means "person from stadi", using a slang name for Helsinki. JIP | Talk 10:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Table Climate of Helsinki | ||||||||||||||
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Temperature | ||||||||||||||
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year | |
Record High°C | 8.5 | 11.8 | 17.0 | 25 | 30 | 31 | 33.1 | 31 | 28 | 19.4 | 13 | 10 | 33.1 | |
Average high °C | 1.3 | -5.4 | 7,5 | 10.8 | 16.1 | 21.1 | 21.7 | 22.5 | 15.0 | 9.4 | 2.7 | 3.5 | 10.5 | |
Average low °C | -6.7 | -14.4 | -1.1 | -0.4 | 5.0 | 8.6 | 12.6 | 11.9 | 5.6 | 2.7 | -2.9 | -0.8 | 1.5 | |
Record low °C | -34.3 | -32 | -28 | -17 | -8 | -2 | 3 | -1 | -7 | -16 | -23 | -32 | -34.3 | |
Precipitation | ||||||||||||||
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | ||
Total mm | 78 | 11.9 | 25 | 47.2 | 46.7 | 44.4 | 60 | 61 | 76 | 91 | 86.2 | 91.4 | 718.8 | |
Why do the colours in the high temperatures go the wrong way? I would associate orange with hot and gray with cold. JIP | Talk 18:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Please correct the parts where Finland is claimed to have 3 municipalities with tramway traffic. Helsinki, Turku and Viipuri are the obvious ones, but the Helsinki tramway used to extend itself to Kulosaari, that was a part of Helsingin maalaiskunta, i.e. the modern day Vantaa. I made the same request in the article "Public transport in Helsinki". -Juhoi, 10 July, 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 13:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
How come the link to City of Helsinki official tourism site was removed as spam? Tourism site distributes valuable information for tourists and dwellers alike. Most of the major city's pages in wiki have a like to a current city's official tourism site - how it is not kosher in this case? Pls comment Beetstra - Subdependent—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.163.145.226 ( talk • contribs)
The climate table isn't sourced, and will be removed unless sources are added. The usual source for climate tables on Wikipedia, weather.com, gives the Helsinki climate as being significantly colder than the table presented here. If the table isn't sourced, and it can be shown to be more reliable than the weather.com data, the latter will be inserted here. JdeJ ( talk) 11:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the whole climate table mentioned above and replaced it with one copied from Stockholm, but with the data changed to the same as in the old table. JIP | Talk 17:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix it now and faster? -- Querto ( talk) 09:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I fix it. -- Querto ( talk) 10:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
There should be more pictures of wintery Helsinki in the article. It's not always summer in Hki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.110.230 ( talk) 17:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
In Brussels-related articles, they refer to placenames with a "first French/Dutch, then French" policy. The lingual history of Brussels and Helsinki are quite similar: Helsingfors was a predominantly Swedish-speaking town until about 1900, similarly Brussel was mostly Dutch-speaking in the 19th century. Today the Bruxellois speak mainly French and Helsinkiläiset mainly Finnish, but the minority language is heard and seen everyday on the streets. Therefore I'd suggest a Brussels-like naming convention that when first mentioned, use the both names (like Huvilakatu/Villagatan) and when mentioned thereafter, use only the Finnish form. Ultrix ( talk) 18:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Could people settle on one of these images and not constantly switch between the two? JIP | Talk 06:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Greater Helsinki (Helsingin Seutu) and the Helsinki metropolitan area (pääkaupunkiseutu) are two - distinct - geographic areas. Whomever did the editing probably does not live in Finland and know the difference. The Helsinki metropolitan area consists -only- of Helsinki, Vantaa, Espoo and Kauniainen. Greater Helsinki consists of these cities and several others (hyvinkää, järvenpää, kerava, kirkkonummi, nurmijärvi, sipoo, tuusula, vihti, mänsälä.) It's confusing but that is how it's classified in Uusimaa, Finland. Without showing a distinction between the 2 entities you are misinforming wikipedia readership. In the edit someone wrote that Greater Helsinki consists of Helsinki, Vantaa, Espoo and Kauniainen and has a population of 1.3 million people. This is incorrect. Please fix it. Zedkoman ( talk) 10:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
An unsourced claim was removed and then re-added with the justification that this is a "well-known fact." That isn't how it works: Verifiability is a core policy, and the burden of evidence is on the editor who restores material. Even a Finnish-language source will do as long as one of us can translate the relevant portion. Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The caption claims this is Helsinki as seen from the Spot satellite. Actually, the big landmass on the left, constituting about a third of the image, belongs to Espoo. The big island in the middle is Lauttasaari, which is in Helsinki, but the continental land west from it is in Espoo. JIP | Talk 20:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
That Helsinkians use Stadi and out-of-towners Hesa is a widely spread cliché but not true. Born in Helsinki, me and schoolmates have always used Hesa, Stadi-users being a snobbish minority. Anyone telling someone their hometown is Stadi would be considered a jerk. 88.113.130.224 ( talk) 12:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
The English name continued to be Helsingfors for some time. I was still hearing or reading that name in the 1960s.
When did English make the transition from Helsingfors to Helsinki?
Varlaam (
talk) 19:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC) (Canada)
It is highly misleading to call Espoo, Vantaa and Kauniainen "cities". Kauniainen is a small town (founded long time ago), and Espoo and Vantaa are administrative areas consisting of the suburbs of Helsinki. I know, Finns always insist of distinguishing between Helsinki, Espoo and Vantaa, but de facto Espoo and Vantaa are just parts of the Helsinki metropolitan area. An analogous situation is e.g. in London, which administratively is split to a couple of dozen administrative "boroughs", which does in any way undermine the idea of London as a single city. I would suggest rewriting parts of the article to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.46.97 ( talk) 03:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Since 2009 it has stated the article needs additional citations, this is a very long time for a capital city, do people feel that I should be able to remove it. Any objections?( Pitcairn66 ( talk) 17:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC))
The link [16] about the climate data doesn't work anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 717FX ( talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey, should Helsinki urban area population count include cities such as järvenpää and kerava? Finnish statistics center seems to think so. It says that urban area, "helsingin keskustaajama" in finnish is bigger than just a pääkaupunkiseutu.
http://www.stat.fi/ajk/tiedotteet/v2008/tiedote_001_2008-01-15.html
This article talks about it and tells population count in 2005, but does not include proper definiton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkogn ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Helsinki/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Rated Start Comprehensive coverage of subject, nice images, but lacks references.
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If someone has info on the origin of the name "Helsinki", I'd be interested to know. - Quirk 18:13, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is no demographics section in this article, so, could somebody to write it? I would like to know is the Finnish or Swedish language dominant in Helsinki? User:PANONIAN
Should a separate category Category:Buildings and structures in Helsinki be created? It could be a subcategory of both Category:Helsinki and Category:Buildings and structures in Finland. There's no need to create further subcategories for different types of buildings and structures in Helsinki, as that would be overcategorisation. — JIP | Talk 10:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that Helsinki has hosted the World Championships twice: 1983 and (currently running) 2005
I think there's quite a bit of things that need to be changed in this article... allthough there is the needed information it is not as wel lcomposed as other similar articles about other cities...
A few things i noted:
The link under economy of helsinki leads to "helsinki ICT and digital media culture", what's up with that? i know there are some IT-companies in Helsinki but still that has very little to do with Helsinki's economy! maybe the whole heading should be removed unless something regarding the economy is not written there.
Of course there is allot to write about the economy in helsinki, which at the moment isn't very good due to the "kuntaverouudistus" some years back.
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i removed it from teh headings. Someone with the rights might want to remove the main article too. Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Under the heading "culture" about three fourths of the text is about Helsinki's architecture... maybe this should be another heading? and something mroe written about cultural events etc. in the city?
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i changed this Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a travel guide, that's what wikitravel's for. So maybe the "sites of intresest" part should be re-written to at least not contain clauses such as "If you are into architecture, Temppeliaukion kirkko is worth seeing. Built inside of stone, this unconventional church is regularly visited by tourists.".
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Why can't universities in Helsinki be a subheading of education in Helsinki? and also, universities is the wrong word when AMK-schools are also lsited, the correct term is institutions of higher education or something like that is it not?
Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, i changed this Gillis 19:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
A doubt: "Half of the 41 upper secondary schools are private or state-owned." Who owns the other half? - sooraj 11 June 2006
This section looks awful. It should either be made into an alphabetised list or reorganised with actual structure. — JIP | Talk 10:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Boy, Finland nearly lost this one . Add this in, folks!
Helsinki nearly lost its title as capital of Finland on April of 1967. Apparently, the government had put in a bad law, causing riots everywhere.
I'm surprised this isn't in school textbooks.
Below are some past discussed names i moved from the improvementslist just so that we don't need to go through these names again. But i recommend that if you want to add a new name then before doing it take it up here as a subheader.
Below are some points that maybe should be reviewed before nominatign someone or adding someone the list (please feel free to contribute more points or dissagree, i am not trying to be a self-proclaimed profet here ;))
Add possible add's rm's for discussion here:
well ummh... it seems people have just splatted in their idols into the list since... well... is it really important on an itenrnational encyclopedia to note that Kirka and Zyscowitz are from helsinki? they are not that famous relly :) Sami Garam i can understand in the sence that he is well-renowned in Helsinki for being an expert in Helsinki-slang. Gillis 18:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
(I think we have decided on these as no)
Okay seems the following should be be No or No later:
Okay... all good to linda, but... is she really famous outside of finland... no... and is she really famous for her (probably quite nice) violin playing? no. Sorry but i don't think a centerfold is merits enough to be a "notable native" in the class of the others listed here. If Linda should be listed then i could probably say 50 other listable names.... any objections to removing her?
Gillis 16:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay i removed Linda Brava, any objections can be aired here. Gillis 18:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Linda has played as a soloist with orchestras like La Scala Orchestra, The BBC National Orchestra of Wales and Stockholm Sinfonietta.
She has been an international model for Björn Borg and Christian Lacroix.
Linda has toured and performed in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, USA, Canada, Great Britain, Belgium, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Scandinavia et cetera.
She has released a classical album worldwide after being singned up for EMI Classics.
Linda has graced the covers of numerous European fashion magazines, and newspapers and magazines like Gramophone (excellent and positive review on Linda's classical album), Classic FM (Linda was called as a violin sensation on the cover story), The Times, The New York Times, The Sunday Times (on the cover of its cultural enclosure), Evening Saturday, The Sun (Linda on it's cover and rated her above Vanessa Mae), The European, Hello! (a five-page article), ELLE, Vogue, Maxim, Café (coverstory), GQ, Q-Magazine, Details (named Linda the best newcomer in music- and sex-categories) and Playboy Magazine (a ten-page article with photos) have written about Linda´s musical career.
Linda has performed and been interviewed on many TV shows all over the Europe, USA and Asia.
Her performance in Royal Albert Hall was shown on BBC and Eurosport worldwide, and her performance in Unicef gala was shown on RTL.
Linda´s music video for Ave Maria is still one of the most watched on Classic FM TV. Classic FM TV´s star search gives you Linda as a one of the stars of the classical music.
I think that Linda deserves her place as a notable native.
User:80.222.58.49 on 07:11, 12 March 2006
Atleast i haven't heard much about them lately in the "mainstream", so i took the liverty of removing them. I think the notable natives lsit should be more of a list of long-term notable people, not the makers of this years summer-hits. (Don't know if Ville Valo should stay, but he seems to at least be a little longer-lived artist. + The Rasmus is mentiond under the "culture" heading already.
Gillis 17:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I did a revert on the addition of some pop-signers fro mthe notable natives on 8.7.2006.
I feel that Ville Valo (lead singer of HIM), the rasmus or the 69 eyes are not really worth to make it on the current list. These are 15-minutes-of-fame pop-artists, and i feel the list should be of the kind that it doesen't need to be modified every sumemr depending on what's playing in teh radio, not that that in itself would be a problem, but i think having more people that have done things that they will be known of in 10,20 or 100 years is more encyclopedic. I think that the lead singer of the rasmus (or maybe it was HIM i can't remember) himself said when he heard they had been played more than jean sibelius that year "Well this is great and all, but i have no doubt about who of us two [he or sibelius] will be more played in 50 years."
There is a category with people from helsinki or helsinki births or something like that, that i think is notability enough for pop-stars. Also it is notable that many of the mentioned bands are already listed under "culture".
furthermore the names listed should be world-wide renowned people. And although the Finnish gossip-press wants to make it look otherwise Finnish pop-stars are not really big outside of Finland. Okay they might be played here and there but they aren't really "big names".
Gillis 19:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- I would also consider adding Michael Monroe back there. Hanoi Rocks was one of those bands that never sold well, but had a big influence on the scene and on other bands, and Michael Monroe is well known among rock-musicians. Of course this depends whether we’re listing of people who’ve had influence (in this case he should be added), or just names that are widely known everywhere in the world (in this case he doesn't qualify). Manatar 04:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
...we make a separate article about notable people from Helsinki? -- TonyM キタ━( °∀° )━ッ!! 19:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Come on having Ville Valo and Lauri Ylönen on the list is just stupid in my humble oppinion. Him is the more renowned and so far longer lasting of the two, but still the best HIM has done internationally could be pictured pretty much by "only" having made it to a gold record and as best somewhere around the top30 line on the billboards. And i doubt they will stay on the billboards around the world for many years. In comparison an article about Stockholm could probably present 10-20 people with similar merits(but doesen't). HIM and the rasmus are both listed under the culture part of the article and are part of the "list of people from Helsinki" article. I believe this is sufficient. Gillis 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Just hit me when i reverted jean sibelius (Sibbe is not a helsinki native, if he would have been he'd surely qualify) from the list, that Adolf Ehrnrooth is a helsinki native that could maybe qualify for the list? he was voted the fourth greatest finn in " suuret suomalaiset" of all time in front of a bunch of other names that are on this very list. Of course he is not world-famous, except perhaps to some extent among a small group of WWII fans and historians. But he could be considered to have had a relatively big effect on the path Finnish history. Thoughts? Gillis 22:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Without splitting hairs, isn't selänne fro mespoo judging from his junior club being one in Espoo? Gillis ( talk) 20:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so is it only me that takes the addition of "aarne arvonen" as largely a joke? I mean what merits him for the list other than living a long life and having taken part in the civil war? Him still living todayis something i do not see as meriting him for the list. All honour to veterans etc. but if he is there then why aren't a whole bunch of other civil war veterans? the list isn't for living people. Does this to someone else seem mostly as someone adding their old relative to wikipedia? Gillis ( talk) 12:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It seems 62.165.185.143 has been adding tens of thousands of inhabitants into the population statistics of Helsinki without any given source (and checking the users other contribs probably to other cities too)
i have a hard time believing the population would have changed this radically in a year with a average population change of around zero percent. The below Finnish väestörekisterikeskus data also proves me right, i put in this as the amount of helsinkains, and reverted the data about greater helsinki.
http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi/vrk/home.nsf/pages/B3E010C5FB6FB33AC2256FFC00464D40
But please be on the lookout for this kind of changes.
And 62.165.185.143, you are allowed to prove me wrong, but then present some viable government or other neutral source.
Gillis 11:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
"Gillis (→Economy - this paragraph is not really true. Since Helsinki has one of the smallest social inequalities of any city in the world it's size.)"
How come isn't it true? Please, could you specify a bit? :)
Helsinki *has* its fair share of problems, although not to the same extent as many other cities in the world. For example, its murder rate is highest in western Europe and there are more homeless people per 100,000 residents than in many American cities. Also, to my knowledge, violent crime has been on the increase recently. Let's not make the article too biased. ;)
One of the sources for murder rate http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/150000/images/_153988_murder_rate2-150.GIF
As of 2004, the number of homeless in Finland was estimated to be 7,700 single people and 350 families, of which more than half lived in Helsinki metropolitan area. Sadly, I don't have the link where this was compared with statistics in USA and Sweden immediately available, but if you wish I can try to locate it. It was shown at www.finlandforthought.net blog some time ago. http://www.ymparisto.fi/default.asp?node=17791&lan=en
Although you definitely are true that there aren't really proper slums in Helsinki, can we say it's unique in the world? Certain suburbs or areas in Helsinki would definitely qualify as areas (almost) explicitly inhabited by poorer people. The average income in some eastern suburbs, for example, was 15,000 euros per person. That's about one third of what the average income is in the neighbourhoods of southern Helsinki. Also, given the fact that crime rate among some immigrant groups his far above the national average, we could conclude that Helsinki isn't exactly egalitarian city, while the general situation there is extremely good.
Cheers! Thanks for the feedback.
-T
True on both accounts, the murders don't usually take place on the streets but at people's homes, often between family members. However, they tend to be more common among less well-off people. Also, regarding the homelessness issue, I know that here the society provides at least something, so that the people don't have to try to manage by themselves alone. Still, I would stick to my claim that like all big cities in the world, there's difference between the various areas of Helsinki. :) It's not all that big problem, as I said (I did, after all, only write to the page that "the social inequality is on the rise"), but the article shouldn't be too much of a tourist advertisement. Looking at the economics part, I think it could more clearly and further underline the city's importance to Finland's economy.
If it's ok, I think I could write something about the services part later. I think the "Also police and fire departments serve citizens." has been there too long already. It has fair share of comedy value, though. :)
-T
"And at the threat of sounding too right wing" Nothing wrong with that. :) Despite the impression I may have given my political views on Finnish political spectrum lean bit towards there... But nah, I fully understand your point now. Thanks for the explanation.
How should the Helsinki article as a whole be expanded and improved? I think we should use Wikipedia articles on well-covered cities like Berlin as an example. There's much to do, but I think that with some work it can look a whole lot better at the end of the summer.
-T
Sami isn't spoken in Helsinki... And spoken by only a few thousand in whole of Finland too.-- 80.186.100.180 22:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Sámi is spoken in Helsinki; ignorance of that fact is not really an excuse. For that matter, Northern Sámi is spoken by so many people that there is actually a language immersion program for children here (kielipesä). I can't say what the situation is for Inari Sámi, but there are also a number of Skolt speakers here. - Yupik 07:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
User Ulayiti removed the trivia part a month back or so... was this really necessary, is not having trivia in articles a general policy on wikipedia. I agree that there is useless trivia, but some could just as well be written under other headers, but would just be more accessible facts when put under trivia.
Gillis 19:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In winter, I and my father routinely go on skiing trips on the sea ice in Haukilahti, Espoo, very near Helsinki. We never have to worry about the ice breaking or melting, or otherwise falling into the sea. So therefore the statement "much caution must be taken" struck me as odd. But it is true that because of all the ship traffic, and complete urbanisation of the entire downtown Helsinki (Haukilahti is a more rural district), the ice in Helsinki never grows as thick and undisturbed as the ice in Espoo. There is ship traffic from Helsinki to Stockholm (see Ruotsinlaiva) all year round. The only ship traffic in Espoo is intra-city, and even that only in summer. JIP | Talk 20:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest a new category for the capital cities of Scandinavia/the Nordic, including Copenhagen, Helsinki, Oslo, Reykjavik and Stockholm. (I've posted this message on the talk page for each city.) Comments, anyone? /M.O ( u) ( t) 15:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
On December 16, 2004, The World Factbook, a publication of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) added an entry for the European Union. [1] According to the CIA, the European Union was added because the EU "continues to accrue more nation-like characteristics for itself". Their reasoning was explained in this small statement in the introduction:
The evolution of the European Union (EU) from a regional economic agreement among six neighboring states in 1951 to today's supranational organization of 25 countries across the European continent stands as an unprecedented phenomenon in the annals of history... ... for such a large number of nation-states to cede some of their sovereignty to an overarching entity is truly unique... ... the EU ... has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries.
I might add that EU citizens have EU- numberplates, -passports, drivinglicense, the EU institutions, and regular election. I hope you support the small extension I made... all the best Lear 21 18:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible for us to get a Helsinki accent recording of the city's Swedish name? Because the one now sounds awfully like Sweden-Swedish, especially the "fors" part. Andelarion 17:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I also find much to be hoped for even in the pronunciation of the native Finnish version: 1) the sample seems hastily cut at the beginning, so that the initial glottal stop and harshness of a fully pronounced, dictionary-style 'h' are more or less inaudible, 2) there's severe breath on the microphone which might fool some learners of the language into believing there is a kind of plosive at the start, 3) most likely due to pronunciation in isolation from running prosody, and also performance stress, the characteristic falling tone of Finnish from initial accent is largely absent, 4) the syllabic timing somehows seem a bit off from the standard/average, as if the word was read aloud instead of just being spoken, and finally 5) the recording should be done at a higher amplitude and using a professional microphone, so as to avoid smearing the detailed phonetics.
If you agree, I just might be able to help, both here and elsewhere -- some of my friends are in the recording and narration business, and then a session to properly rerecord a single word wouldn't make nearly as much sense as to work through the 100-1000 most referred-to Finnish concepts at once. If you're interested, please update my talk page. Decoy ( talk) 16:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The intro sentence claims that the Finnish name is "Helsinki" and the Swedish name is "Helsingfors". If so, then what does the "Helsingin", which is neither of those two spellings, in the city template mean? If you answer this question here, could you please let me know on my user talk page so I'll know to come check this page? Thanks. — Lowellian ( reply) 12:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I find strange this quote. What does it mean "freedom" to work seasonably and sporadically? "Freedom" to die for hungry in the other seasons? This sounds like right-wing propaganda and not neautral. Val
I think the slang terms that are poined out to the Helsinki slang in many cases are quite useless without a IPA on how they are pronounced. They differ from names of places etc. people still know what place it is even if it's misspronounced, and very well may be pronounced in a different way in a different language. And many of the Helsinki slang terms don't have a definitive spelling. But for slang terms, such as "hietsu" in the article, pronouncing it as a english-speaker, which i guess is the most plausible for reader of this article not familiar with the term would pronounce it as one would pronounce in finnish~the gibberish "hai jietsy"(stadi would be about "steidj" and so on). I'm no good at IPA so someone who is fluent in that could put in the slang terms? Gillis 18:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Umm, actually written Finnish corresponds quite well with its phonetics (hence the saying "Finnish is written like it is spoken"). What you most likely are referring to are pronunciation guides for English speaking people (such as APA). I can't really claim to know much about phonetic discriptions but anyone willing to write them should give a moment of reflection to the famous Helsinki variant of the fricative s (/z/?). Juhoi ( talk) 00:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I have been thinking of moving the architecture subsection to Architecture in Helsinki, but the problem is, there is already an article there, about an Australian band who happens to be named Architecture in Helsinki. I can't change the band's name, and all incoming links to the article are about the band, not about actual architecture in Helsinki. So I would have to call the new article Architecture in Helsinki (something), but what? "Real"? "Not band"? JIP | Talk 19:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
well the introduction to the article is a bit misleading imho...
"Helsinki is the international gateway of Finland. The city has Finland's largest immigrant population in both absolute and relative terms. There are people from over 130 nationalities resident in Helsinki. The largest groups are from Russia, Estonia, Sweden, Somalia, Serbia, China, Iraq and Germany."
This makes it sound like the streets are full of people from all around the world meeting in the one multi-cultural friendly meeting place and metropolitan city of Helsinki. But honestly, our immigration policies in Finland are embarrassing, i think we have the least amount of immigrants from around the world in the whole of western Europe. A black man in the metro is something unusual that everyone notices etc. not to speak about the bad quality of average ethnic food ;) Although Helsinki maybe has the most immigrants per population in Finland it is nowhere close to big metropolitan cities in the amount of immigrants. If i remember correctly Sweden has more than ten times the amounts of immigrants compared to Finland.
So any suggestions to change the intro to reflect reality a bit more?
Gillis 20:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it was because it was hard for the ships to get in the harbor due to strong currents (I ain't sure) Peacekeeper II, too lazy to log on since -06 12:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
That panorama is quite silly because the sun looks like a nuclear explosion! :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peace keeper II ( talk • contribs) 12:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
"Today Helsinki is the second most sparsely populated European capital after Brussels"
Doesn't make any sense to me.
Helsinki's density 3 048.6/km²
and so on.
No one answered, but I removed that sentece anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.165.200 ( talk) 21:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
"Stadilainen" is a slang word, Finnish demonym is "helsinkiläinen", and English something else.
The demonym for Helsinki should be "helsinkiläinen", which means "person from Helsinki". "Stadilainen" means "person from stadi", using a slang name for Helsinki. JIP | Talk 10:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Table Climate of Helsinki | ||||||||||||||
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Temperature | ||||||||||||||
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year | |
Record High°C | 8.5 | 11.8 | 17.0 | 25 | 30 | 31 | 33.1 | 31 | 28 | 19.4 | 13 | 10 | 33.1 | |
Average high °C | 1.3 | -5.4 | 7,5 | 10.8 | 16.1 | 21.1 | 21.7 | 22.5 | 15.0 | 9.4 | 2.7 | 3.5 | 10.5 | |
Average low °C | -6.7 | -14.4 | -1.1 | -0.4 | 5.0 | 8.6 | 12.6 | 11.9 | 5.6 | 2.7 | -2.9 | -0.8 | 1.5 | |
Record low °C | -34.3 | -32 | -28 | -17 | -8 | -2 | 3 | -1 | -7 | -16 | -23 | -32 | -34.3 | |
Precipitation | ||||||||||||||
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | ||
Total mm | 78 | 11.9 | 25 | 47.2 | 46.7 | 44.4 | 60 | 61 | 76 | 91 | 86.2 | 91.4 | 718.8 | |
Why do the colours in the high temperatures go the wrong way? I would associate orange with hot and gray with cold. JIP | Talk 18:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Please correct the parts where Finland is claimed to have 3 municipalities with tramway traffic. Helsinki, Turku and Viipuri are the obvious ones, but the Helsinki tramway used to extend itself to Kulosaari, that was a part of Helsingin maalaiskunta, i.e. the modern day Vantaa. I made the same request in the article "Public transport in Helsinki". -Juhoi, 10 July, 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 13:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
How come the link to City of Helsinki official tourism site was removed as spam? Tourism site distributes valuable information for tourists and dwellers alike. Most of the major city's pages in wiki have a like to a current city's official tourism site - how it is not kosher in this case? Pls comment Beetstra - Subdependent—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.163.145.226 ( talk • contribs)
The climate table isn't sourced, and will be removed unless sources are added. The usual source for climate tables on Wikipedia, weather.com, gives the Helsinki climate as being significantly colder than the table presented here. If the table isn't sourced, and it can be shown to be more reliable than the weather.com data, the latter will be inserted here. JdeJ ( talk) 11:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the whole climate table mentioned above and replaced it with one copied from Stockholm, but with the data changed to the same as in the old table. JIP | Talk 17:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix it now and faster? -- Querto ( talk) 09:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I fix it. -- Querto ( talk) 10:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
There should be more pictures of wintery Helsinki in the article. It's not always summer in Hki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.110.230 ( talk) 17:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
In Brussels-related articles, they refer to placenames with a "first French/Dutch, then French" policy. The lingual history of Brussels and Helsinki are quite similar: Helsingfors was a predominantly Swedish-speaking town until about 1900, similarly Brussel was mostly Dutch-speaking in the 19th century. Today the Bruxellois speak mainly French and Helsinkiläiset mainly Finnish, but the minority language is heard and seen everyday on the streets. Therefore I'd suggest a Brussels-like naming convention that when first mentioned, use the both names (like Huvilakatu/Villagatan) and when mentioned thereafter, use only the Finnish form. Ultrix ( talk) 18:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Could people settle on one of these images and not constantly switch between the two? JIP | Talk 06:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Greater Helsinki (Helsingin Seutu) and the Helsinki metropolitan area (pääkaupunkiseutu) are two - distinct - geographic areas. Whomever did the editing probably does not live in Finland and know the difference. The Helsinki metropolitan area consists -only- of Helsinki, Vantaa, Espoo and Kauniainen. Greater Helsinki consists of these cities and several others (hyvinkää, järvenpää, kerava, kirkkonummi, nurmijärvi, sipoo, tuusula, vihti, mänsälä.) It's confusing but that is how it's classified in Uusimaa, Finland. Without showing a distinction between the 2 entities you are misinforming wikipedia readership. In the edit someone wrote that Greater Helsinki consists of Helsinki, Vantaa, Espoo and Kauniainen and has a population of 1.3 million people. This is incorrect. Please fix it. Zedkoman ( talk) 10:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
An unsourced claim was removed and then re-added with the justification that this is a "well-known fact." That isn't how it works: Verifiability is a core policy, and the burden of evidence is on the editor who restores material. Even a Finnish-language source will do as long as one of us can translate the relevant portion. Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The caption claims this is Helsinki as seen from the Spot satellite. Actually, the big landmass on the left, constituting about a third of the image, belongs to Espoo. The big island in the middle is Lauttasaari, which is in Helsinki, but the continental land west from it is in Espoo. JIP | Talk 20:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
That Helsinkians use Stadi and out-of-towners Hesa is a widely spread cliché but not true. Born in Helsinki, me and schoolmates have always used Hesa, Stadi-users being a snobbish minority. Anyone telling someone their hometown is Stadi would be considered a jerk. 88.113.130.224 ( talk) 12:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
The English name continued to be Helsingfors for some time. I was still hearing or reading that name in the 1960s.
When did English make the transition from Helsingfors to Helsinki?
Varlaam (
talk) 19:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC) (Canada)
It is highly misleading to call Espoo, Vantaa and Kauniainen "cities". Kauniainen is a small town (founded long time ago), and Espoo and Vantaa are administrative areas consisting of the suburbs of Helsinki. I know, Finns always insist of distinguishing between Helsinki, Espoo and Vantaa, but de facto Espoo and Vantaa are just parts of the Helsinki metropolitan area. An analogous situation is e.g. in London, which administratively is split to a couple of dozen administrative "boroughs", which does in any way undermine the idea of London as a single city. I would suggest rewriting parts of the article to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.46.97 ( talk) 03:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Since 2009 it has stated the article needs additional citations, this is a very long time for a capital city, do people feel that I should be able to remove it. Any objections?( Pitcairn66 ( talk) 17:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC))
The link [16] about the climate data doesn't work anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 717FX ( talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey, should Helsinki urban area population count include cities such as järvenpää and kerava? Finnish statistics center seems to think so. It says that urban area, "helsingin keskustaajama" in finnish is bigger than just a pääkaupunkiseutu.
http://www.stat.fi/ajk/tiedotteet/v2008/tiedote_001_2008-01-15.html
This article talks about it and tells population count in 2005, but does not include proper definiton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkogn ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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Rated Start Comprehensive coverage of subject, nice images, but lacks references.
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