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NOT vandalism. same text as is in german Wikipedia.
Could we have some more info on Helmut Schmidts jewish ancestory and how it played into his politics? Also is he Germanys first ethnically Jewish chancellor?
A little clarity here. 1) Under traditional Jewish law, Helmut Schmidt is not Jewish, because his mother was not. For the same reason, neither was his father. 2) Under the Nuremberg laws of 1935, which defined "who is a Jew" for Nazi racial purposes, Schmidt would have been counted as a quasi-Jew and therefore not inexorably subject to disenfranchisement and deportation. However, he would have remained at considerable risk, and almost certainly not elegible for service as an officer in the Wehrmacht. Under the circumstances, he would have had to have been insane to reveal anything.
The Nazi laws established three categories of "Mischlinge" or people of mixed origin. Gender was irrelevant. The "worst," of course, was someone who had three Jewish grandparents and one Gentile grandparent. That person was flat-out "Jewish." The next "worst" was a "Mischling of the First Degree," meaning someone with two Jewish grandparents. In the least disadvantageous category belonged somone like Schmidt, who was a "Mischling of the First Degree," meaning someone who had one Jewish grandparent. Nonetheless it was hardly a desireable or "safe" situation for him.
It is worth noting the cynicism undergirding these laws in the first place. The authorities could "aryanize" people for whatever reason. Furthermore, exclusions were written into the laws for Hitler and all of the top Nazi brass. Therefore, if perchance the rumors surrounding Hitler's alleged Jewish grandfather somehow turned out to be true, Hitler himself would have remained beyond reproach, at least from an official standpoint. (Whether in fact Hitler's father, Alois (Schicklgruber) Hitler was in fact half-Jewish has never been conclusively proven.)
bamjd3d 0938 PST 21 June 2005
After all many Nazis had Jewish blood and got their Blood Certificate through corruption and friendship with Nazi leaders. Even Hitler accepted to give a Blood Certificate to Field Marshall Erhard Milch, whose father was Jew, as he was a good friend of Hermann Göring. So even in the worst times there are exceptions. It would be a very intersting movie: "Erhard Milch, the Jewish Nazi General"-- 81.36.211.93 ( talk) 07:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Schmidt already knew in the 1930s about his Jewish grandfather. He falsified documents about his ancestry being not pure "arien", so he won't get any troubles (See: "Auf eine Zigarette mit Helmut Schmidt" by Giovanni di Lorenzo and Helmut Schmidt) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.111.207.1 ( talk) 15:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Although it might be true that he was against nuclear weapons in his early political days, it was Schmidt who made possible the permanent posting of cruise missiles in Germany in the 70s! Remarquable also are his appearances in Bohemian Grove about which has even written a few words in his biography.
User:212.185.62.98 inserted the following claim, about Schmidt's Jewish ancestry:
Do we have a source for this? The anonymous user has inserted dubious claims elsewhere. --- Charles Stewart 19:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Source: Hand aufs Herz Helmut Schmidt im Gespräch mit Sandra Maischberger ISBN 3430179645
It's discussed inside the book which is mostly an interview with Schmidt. I don't know if there is an english translation, I doubt most of it would be interesting for people outside Germany). Nevfennas 22:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Schmidt is listed in the Karl Popper infobox as having been "influenced" by Popper. Is there anything to this? A Geek Tragedy 20:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I've included Helmut Schmidt to the global warming skeptics category because he is a textbook example of the mainstream skeptical opinions. See e.g. [1]. He says that the hysteria should stop, the climate has always been changing, and the reasons behind various climate changes haven't been properly researched so far. It's how Wikipedia defines skeptics and his opinions are virtually identical to those of Michael Crichton and other skeptics. -- Lumidek 06:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
English http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/03/helmut-schmidt-calls-for-ipcc-inquiry German http://www.mpg.de/print/990353 Get over it Kim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.101.188.63 ( talk) 03:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it could be added that, as described in the German article, Schmidt is a fine pianist, with professional recordings to his credit. (e.g. Johann Sebastian Bach: Concerto for 4 Pianos and Strings in A minor, BWV 1065. Hamburg Philharmonic, Christoph Eschenbach, Justus Frantz, Gerhard Oppitz and Helmut Schmidt. Deutsche Grammophon 415 655-2. See also [2]). L'omo del batocio 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
The award of the Schleyer Prize is 2013 on this page and 2012 on the page of the Prize. Perhaps someone can find out what is the correct year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.29.124 ( talk) 04:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
As of 2008, he is the oldest German Chancellor alive. Did I miss something? Which of them died this year? -- 85.181.238.167 ( talk) 15:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
ONO one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max Mux ( talk • contribs) 10:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed 'as of 2008', which wrongly implied that he became the oldest living German Chancellor this year, when in fact he has been the oldest living for years. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 05:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
He is the oldest chancellor alive since the death of Willy Brandt on 08th October 1992. And since 06th October 2009 he even is the oldest former Federal Minister alive since the death of Werner Maihofer. YOG'TZE ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)YOG'TZE
I removed the statements mentioned above from the article. Although I only now understand the point of him being oldest minister, this is a trivial fact that, if it should be mentioned at all, should not be in the lead. Gunnar Hendrich ( talk) 23:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Understood, but this fact is not totally unimportant as it's remarkable he's the oldest chancelor ever and the current oldest minister alive. If you want to remove this from the lead, please place it somewhere else in the article but from my POV, it could remain in the lead as it is important enough. YOG'TZE ( talk) 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
This needs to be phrased differently. Helmut Schmidt was Federal Chancellor or Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. There was no office "Chancellor of West Germany" (definitely not with a capital "C"). I do not see what is supposed to be unnecessarily ambiguous about "Federal Republic of Germany before re-unification"; anything less ambiguous in this context risks being POV. -- Boson ( talk) 00:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Bad example. The German Reunification didn’t create a new state. The former GDR just joined the Federal Republic of Germany. There is no difference in the Office of Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany and Chancellor of West Germany. Merkel has the same Office he had, so he isn't the last Chancellor. It is comparable to States joining the U.S (like Alaska and Hawaii did in 1959).
It is also not true that he never accepted a medal. He did reject them later, as it is against hanseatic tradition and forbidden for a (former) member of the Senate of Hamburg to accept orders or medals. But during WW2 he received and accepted an Iron Cross (see German Wiki Article of Schmidt or "Jonathan Carr, Helmut Schmidt. Econ, Düsseldorf/Wien 1985, S. 29. Zwei Bilder von 1942 belegen zudem das Eiserne Kreuz: Vgl. Hartmut Soell: Helmut Schmidt: 1918–1969. Vernunft und Leidenschaft. DVA, München 2004, zwischen S. 272–273. Jonathan Carr: Helmut Schmidt. Econ, Düsseldorf/Wien 1985, zwischen S. 136–137" and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesverdienstkreuz#Hamburg). -- 46.59.166.110 ( talk) 01:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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I removed a massive unreferenced section. It didn't seem particularly relevant in any case, but if someone cares to create a spinoff list of something to incorporate the information I removed, fine. For attribution purposes, this is the edit I made. The Rambling Man ( talk) 19:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
OK. There is a brief section on his military service. No mention if ever wounded, or ranks achieved. Should be if information is available. It does not directly state - but is inferred some college attendance occurred before Military service- should add some specifics. How much there is on talk page as to Jewish seems ridiculous to me. He served in the German Army. If there was a question on Jewish anchestory then, he would have been stuck as a factory worker, and not in the military with weapon access. Wfoj3 ( talk)!
Denfense/Defence still appears in both forms on this page. Could we please decide which English form should be used. As Schmidt was a European, I would suggest British English is a better choice. IsarSteve ( talk) 08:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
He obviously had one, so which one was it? Was he elected from a constituency or on a state list? Lockesdonkey ( talk) 18:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Helmut Schmidt was born in Hamburg in 1918. At the time of his birth, Germany's official name was the German Reich (commonly referred to as the Weimar Republic by posterity). Given the political upheaval and emergence of several 'German' polities (Kaiserreich, Weimar, Third Reich, East, West etc.) across the twentieth century, and in the interest of historical fact, accuracy, and avoiding confusion, it would be prudent to have an underlying link directing to the German Reich/Weimar Republic page on his place of birth. In other words, the Germany he died in was not constitutionally, territorially or politically the Germany he was born in.
Some have argued that this is wrong - that historical 'time periods' should not feature in this respect. However, as a riposte to their refusal to reach consensus, I point to the Wikipedia page for Adolf Hitler. This details his place of death as 'Nazi Germany', however, this was never the official name of Germany. In fact, during the Nazi period, Germany continued to use the same official name as the Weimar Republic, the 'German Reich'. There is, therefore, inconsistency across Wikipedia's articles.
As a point of comparison, the articles of numerous historical and contemporary personalities on Wikipedia detail their places of birth as states that are no longer in existence today. This, I believe, is right and historically accurate. It enriches the general information about the person and provides the reader with convenient historical context. 195.147.250.224 ( talk) 18:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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Schmidt was born in 1918. His class was called up later, but not in 1937. This year, the youngest draftees were born in 1916 (see: Reichsgesetzblatt, part I, p. 606: Anordnung über die Aushebung zur Erfüllung der aktiven Dienstpflicht im Jahr 1937 vom 29. Mai 1937). So, it seems that Schmidt has volunteered for Wehrmacht. -- 129.187.244.19 ( talk) 14:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think Walter Scheel should not be mentioned there; he was Foreign secretary and only acting as Bundeskanzler, but never elected. But according to the Grundgesetz, Art. 63, the Bundeskanzler has to be elected by the Bundestag which Scheel was not. Accordingly, Schmidt is considered the 5th Bundeskanzler (see here on the website of the Bundestag and there is no portrait of Scheel in the Galerie der Bundeskanzler. Moreover, naming two predecessors is confusing, there can be only one. -- Qcomp ( talk) 20:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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On 13 October 1981, Schmidt was fitted with a cardiac pacemaker.
I suggest adding there: In August 2002 he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery. [1]
I suggest a second edit for Honours and awards: Since November 2016 Hamburg Airport has been christened after Schmidt. Tolmount ( talk) 18:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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On 27 August 2002, he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery.
This sentence about him having the heart attack was added because of an edit request of mine. It originally just said In August 2002, it was changed afterwards to 27 August, which is incorrect. The linked article in Der Spiegel was published on the 27th, a Tuesday. But the article says that Schmidt suffered the heart attack past Saturday, ergo the 24th. If we're doing exact dates it was on the 24th. Tolmount ( talk) 21:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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NOT vandalism. same text as is in german Wikipedia.
Could we have some more info on Helmut Schmidts jewish ancestory and how it played into his politics? Also is he Germanys first ethnically Jewish chancellor?
A little clarity here. 1) Under traditional Jewish law, Helmut Schmidt is not Jewish, because his mother was not. For the same reason, neither was his father. 2) Under the Nuremberg laws of 1935, which defined "who is a Jew" for Nazi racial purposes, Schmidt would have been counted as a quasi-Jew and therefore not inexorably subject to disenfranchisement and deportation. However, he would have remained at considerable risk, and almost certainly not elegible for service as an officer in the Wehrmacht. Under the circumstances, he would have had to have been insane to reveal anything.
The Nazi laws established three categories of "Mischlinge" or people of mixed origin. Gender was irrelevant. The "worst," of course, was someone who had three Jewish grandparents and one Gentile grandparent. That person was flat-out "Jewish." The next "worst" was a "Mischling of the First Degree," meaning someone with two Jewish grandparents. In the least disadvantageous category belonged somone like Schmidt, who was a "Mischling of the First Degree," meaning someone who had one Jewish grandparent. Nonetheless it was hardly a desireable or "safe" situation for him.
It is worth noting the cynicism undergirding these laws in the first place. The authorities could "aryanize" people for whatever reason. Furthermore, exclusions were written into the laws for Hitler and all of the top Nazi brass. Therefore, if perchance the rumors surrounding Hitler's alleged Jewish grandfather somehow turned out to be true, Hitler himself would have remained beyond reproach, at least from an official standpoint. (Whether in fact Hitler's father, Alois (Schicklgruber) Hitler was in fact half-Jewish has never been conclusively proven.)
bamjd3d 0938 PST 21 June 2005
After all many Nazis had Jewish blood and got their Blood Certificate through corruption and friendship with Nazi leaders. Even Hitler accepted to give a Blood Certificate to Field Marshall Erhard Milch, whose father was Jew, as he was a good friend of Hermann Göring. So even in the worst times there are exceptions. It would be a very intersting movie: "Erhard Milch, the Jewish Nazi General"-- 81.36.211.93 ( talk) 07:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Schmidt already knew in the 1930s about his Jewish grandfather. He falsified documents about his ancestry being not pure "arien", so he won't get any troubles (See: "Auf eine Zigarette mit Helmut Schmidt" by Giovanni di Lorenzo and Helmut Schmidt) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.111.207.1 ( talk) 15:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Although it might be true that he was against nuclear weapons in his early political days, it was Schmidt who made possible the permanent posting of cruise missiles in Germany in the 70s! Remarquable also are his appearances in Bohemian Grove about which has even written a few words in his biography.
User:212.185.62.98 inserted the following claim, about Schmidt's Jewish ancestry:
Do we have a source for this? The anonymous user has inserted dubious claims elsewhere. --- Charles Stewart 19:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Source: Hand aufs Herz Helmut Schmidt im Gespräch mit Sandra Maischberger ISBN 3430179645
It's discussed inside the book which is mostly an interview with Schmidt. I don't know if there is an english translation, I doubt most of it would be interesting for people outside Germany). Nevfennas 22:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Schmidt is listed in the Karl Popper infobox as having been "influenced" by Popper. Is there anything to this? A Geek Tragedy 20:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I've included Helmut Schmidt to the global warming skeptics category because he is a textbook example of the mainstream skeptical opinions. See e.g. [1]. He says that the hysteria should stop, the climate has always been changing, and the reasons behind various climate changes haven't been properly researched so far. It's how Wikipedia defines skeptics and his opinions are virtually identical to those of Michael Crichton and other skeptics. -- Lumidek 06:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
English http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/03/helmut-schmidt-calls-for-ipcc-inquiry German http://www.mpg.de/print/990353 Get over it Kim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.101.188.63 ( talk) 03:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it could be added that, as described in the German article, Schmidt is a fine pianist, with professional recordings to his credit. (e.g. Johann Sebastian Bach: Concerto for 4 Pianos and Strings in A minor, BWV 1065. Hamburg Philharmonic, Christoph Eschenbach, Justus Frantz, Gerhard Oppitz and Helmut Schmidt. Deutsche Grammophon 415 655-2. See also [2]). L'omo del batocio 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
The award of the Schleyer Prize is 2013 on this page and 2012 on the page of the Prize. Perhaps someone can find out what is the correct year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.29.124 ( talk) 04:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
As of 2008, he is the oldest German Chancellor alive. Did I miss something? Which of them died this year? -- 85.181.238.167 ( talk) 15:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
ONO one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max Mux ( talk • contribs) 10:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed 'as of 2008', which wrongly implied that he became the oldest living German Chancellor this year, when in fact he has been the oldest living for years. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 05:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
He is the oldest chancellor alive since the death of Willy Brandt on 08th October 1992. And since 06th October 2009 he even is the oldest former Federal Minister alive since the death of Werner Maihofer. YOG'TZE ( talk) 22:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)YOG'TZE
I removed the statements mentioned above from the article. Although I only now understand the point of him being oldest minister, this is a trivial fact that, if it should be mentioned at all, should not be in the lead. Gunnar Hendrich ( talk) 23:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Understood, but this fact is not totally unimportant as it's remarkable he's the oldest chancelor ever and the current oldest minister alive. If you want to remove this from the lead, please place it somewhere else in the article but from my POV, it could remain in the lead as it is important enough. YOG'TZE ( talk) 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
This needs to be phrased differently. Helmut Schmidt was Federal Chancellor or Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. There was no office "Chancellor of West Germany" (definitely not with a capital "C"). I do not see what is supposed to be unnecessarily ambiguous about "Federal Republic of Germany before re-unification"; anything less ambiguous in this context risks being POV. -- Boson ( talk) 00:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Bad example. The German Reunification didn’t create a new state. The former GDR just joined the Federal Republic of Germany. There is no difference in the Office of Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany and Chancellor of West Germany. Merkel has the same Office he had, so he isn't the last Chancellor. It is comparable to States joining the U.S (like Alaska and Hawaii did in 1959).
It is also not true that he never accepted a medal. He did reject them later, as it is against hanseatic tradition and forbidden for a (former) member of the Senate of Hamburg to accept orders or medals. But during WW2 he received and accepted an Iron Cross (see German Wiki Article of Schmidt or "Jonathan Carr, Helmut Schmidt. Econ, Düsseldorf/Wien 1985, S. 29. Zwei Bilder von 1942 belegen zudem das Eiserne Kreuz: Vgl. Hartmut Soell: Helmut Schmidt: 1918–1969. Vernunft und Leidenschaft. DVA, München 2004, zwischen S. 272–273. Jonathan Carr: Helmut Schmidt. Econ, Düsseldorf/Wien 1985, zwischen S. 136–137" and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesverdienstkreuz#Hamburg). -- 46.59.166.110 ( talk) 01:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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I removed a massive unreferenced section. It didn't seem particularly relevant in any case, but if someone cares to create a spinoff list of something to incorporate the information I removed, fine. For attribution purposes, this is the edit I made. The Rambling Man ( talk) 19:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
OK. There is a brief section on his military service. No mention if ever wounded, or ranks achieved. Should be if information is available. It does not directly state - but is inferred some college attendance occurred before Military service- should add some specifics. How much there is on talk page as to Jewish seems ridiculous to me. He served in the German Army. If there was a question on Jewish anchestory then, he would have been stuck as a factory worker, and not in the military with weapon access. Wfoj3 ( talk)!
Denfense/Defence still appears in both forms on this page. Could we please decide which English form should be used. As Schmidt was a European, I would suggest British English is a better choice. IsarSteve ( talk) 08:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
He obviously had one, so which one was it? Was he elected from a constituency or on a state list? Lockesdonkey ( talk) 18:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Helmut Schmidt was born in Hamburg in 1918. At the time of his birth, Germany's official name was the German Reich (commonly referred to as the Weimar Republic by posterity). Given the political upheaval and emergence of several 'German' polities (Kaiserreich, Weimar, Third Reich, East, West etc.) across the twentieth century, and in the interest of historical fact, accuracy, and avoiding confusion, it would be prudent to have an underlying link directing to the German Reich/Weimar Republic page on his place of birth. In other words, the Germany he died in was not constitutionally, territorially or politically the Germany he was born in.
Some have argued that this is wrong - that historical 'time periods' should not feature in this respect. However, as a riposte to their refusal to reach consensus, I point to the Wikipedia page for Adolf Hitler. This details his place of death as 'Nazi Germany', however, this was never the official name of Germany. In fact, during the Nazi period, Germany continued to use the same official name as the Weimar Republic, the 'German Reich'. There is, therefore, inconsistency across Wikipedia's articles.
As a point of comparison, the articles of numerous historical and contemporary personalities on Wikipedia detail their places of birth as states that are no longer in existence today. This, I believe, is right and historically accurate. It enriches the general information about the person and provides the reader with convenient historical context. 195.147.250.224 ( talk) 18:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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Schmidt was born in 1918. His class was called up later, but not in 1937. This year, the youngest draftees were born in 1916 (see: Reichsgesetzblatt, part I, p. 606: Anordnung über die Aushebung zur Erfüllung der aktiven Dienstpflicht im Jahr 1937 vom 29. Mai 1937). So, it seems that Schmidt has volunteered for Wehrmacht. -- 129.187.244.19 ( talk) 14:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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My burrowing found that some of it was commented-out in this 11 November 2015 edit
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Zwerg Nase with the edit summary whole section is still a mess, subheaders are horrible. Keep blocked out until major work on the section
.
This is not a good situation. If there are problems with the section, they should be tagged or removed. But I can see no case for leaving he text in this limbo situation where it is not visible to readers , or to editors unless the o looking for it.
So I propose to uncomment these sections, and restore the text. I do this without having formed any view on the merits of the text, just a desire for the article to develop in the normal way by having the text visible.
Any objections? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I think Walter Scheel should not be mentioned there; he was Foreign secretary and only acting as Bundeskanzler, but never elected. But according to the Grundgesetz, Art. 63, the Bundeskanzler has to be elected by the Bundestag which Scheel was not. Accordingly, Schmidt is considered the 5th Bundeskanzler (see here on the website of the Bundestag and there is no portrait of Scheel in the Galerie der Bundeskanzler. Moreover, naming two predecessors is confusing, there can be only one. -- Qcomp ( talk) 20:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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On 13 October 1981, Schmidt was fitted with a cardiac pacemaker.
I suggest adding there: In August 2002 he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery. [1]
I suggest a second edit for Honours and awards: Since November 2016 Hamburg Airport has been christened after Schmidt. Tolmount ( talk) 18:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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On 27 August 2002, he suffered a heart attack and subsequently underwent bypass surgery.
This sentence about him having the heart attack was added because of an edit request of mine. It originally just said In August 2002, it was changed afterwards to 27 August, which is incorrect. The linked article in Der Spiegel was published on the 27th, a Tuesday. But the article says that Schmidt suffered the heart attack past Saturday, ergo the 24th. If we're doing exact dates it was on the 24th. Tolmount ( talk) 21:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)