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Created to resolve problems with main topic and hopefully to set an example for how other similar Outlaw motorcycle club topics can be handled.
Please be aware I am not a representative nor apologist for any motorcycle club. -- Bridge Boy ( talk) 19:30, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
The current summary in Hells Angels should be enlarged to give more details as to what Hells Angels MC criminal allegations and incidents contains.
I object to the repeated use of the allegations disclaimer, and "alleged" in the article title. Wikipedia has no legal obligation to repeatedly say "alleged this, alleged that". If the facts support it, we simply call a spade a spade. See also Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. If something is merely alleged, then delete it. If sources make it look true, then just say it. In other words, no weasel words, no bullshit. Just call it like you see it. Anything with weak support should be deleted outright; there's more than enough Hells Angels crime with solid support and we don't need to waste any time with the weak stuff. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 00:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Without me belaboring this point much more, I'd recommend the essay Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia cannot claim the earth is not flat to amplify and explain what I mean here. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
The infobox has been re-added. It's incorrect to have here, it belongs on Hells Angels. Bridge Boy, using the example you cite above (and nodding to WP:OSE), note New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct does not have an infobox. It's redundant and screams of content forking, as keeping it in sync will be a headache. tedder ( talk) 22:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I think the forking was a good idea. I've renamed the linked section in the main HA article and incorporated into the "History" section, giving it structural prominence--making it easier to see. The length of the HA "rap sheet' makes the HA article cumbersome.
That said, I propose that the name of this article be changed to "Criminal Activity." It includes lots of convictions and rock solid, documented evidence of HA's criminal behavior. Tapered ( talk) 09:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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This article is currently the eighth largest on the wiki, with over 450,000+ bytes. In addition after looking at the page statistics, appears that this article has 200,000+ bytes of text. After looking at the section sizes, the United States section appears to be the largest, we should split it into a separate article. Even though I would normally edit pages about dark topics anonymously, I am going to make an exception this time because this is a split discussion, which is kind of my schtick at this point as I do it very frequently. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) ( contribs) 00:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
I support the proposal due to excessive readable prose, although we could split California, condense the article or add some images. zsteve21 ( talk) 09:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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Created to resolve problems with main topic and hopefully to set an example for how other similar Outlaw motorcycle club topics can be handled.
Please be aware I am not a representative nor apologist for any motorcycle club. -- Bridge Boy ( talk) 19:30, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
The current summary in Hells Angels should be enlarged to give more details as to what Hells Angels MC criminal allegations and incidents contains.
I object to the repeated use of the allegations disclaimer, and "alleged" in the article title. Wikipedia has no legal obligation to repeatedly say "alleged this, alleged that". If the facts support it, we simply call a spade a spade. See also Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. If something is merely alleged, then delete it. If sources make it look true, then just say it. In other words, no weasel words, no bullshit. Just call it like you see it. Anything with weak support should be deleted outright; there's more than enough Hells Angels crime with solid support and we don't need to waste any time with the weak stuff. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 00:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Without me belaboring this point much more, I'd recommend the essay Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia cannot claim the earth is not flat to amplify and explain what I mean here. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
The infobox has been re-added. It's incorrect to have here, it belongs on Hells Angels. Bridge Boy, using the example you cite above (and nodding to WP:OSE), note New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct does not have an infobox. It's redundant and screams of content forking, as keeping it in sync will be a headache. tedder ( talk) 22:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I think the forking was a good idea. I've renamed the linked section in the main HA article and incorporated into the "History" section, giving it structural prominence--making it easier to see. The length of the HA "rap sheet' makes the HA article cumbersome.
That said, I propose that the name of this article be changed to "Criminal Activity." It includes lots of convictions and rock solid, documented evidence of HA's criminal behavior. Tapered ( talk) 09:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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This article is currently the eighth largest on the wiki, with over 450,000+ bytes. In addition after looking at the page statistics, appears that this article has 200,000+ bytes of text. After looking at the section sizes, the United States section appears to be the largest, we should split it into a separate article. Even though I would normally edit pages about dark topics anonymously, I am going to make an exception this time because this is a split discussion, which is kind of my schtick at this point as I do it very frequently. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) ( contribs) 00:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
I support the proposal due to excessive readable prose, although we could split California, condense the article or add some images. zsteve21 ( talk) 09:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)