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A fact from Helena Braun appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang the role of Brünnhilde in Wagner's Die Walküre at the
Metropolitan Opera with four hours' notice?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang at the
Metropolitan Opera on four hours' notice, standing in for a soprano who had laryngitis? Source: "Helena Braun, who came to this country just to be with her husband, Ferdinand Frantz, while he made his debut last week at the Metropolitan Opera, made her own debut there last night. She sang [...] at four hours' notice. Helen Traubel [...] was scheduled to sing, but word came from her doctor yesterday afternoon that she had laryngitis."
The New York Times (
ProQuest105875888);
Source for "just for the trip"
Can we please say that she didn't step in for something minor, but Brünnhilde, which is about one of the hardest things? I believe that's more interesting than the specific illness of her colleague. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 19:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang as Brünnhilde in Wagner's Die Walküre at the
Metropolitan Opera on four hours' notice?
@
The C of E: Thank you very much for reviewing this a while back! Do you mind giving a quick look at ALT1 above as an alternate hook?
DanCherek (
talk) 21:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I became preoccupied with something unexpected this past week. I will have the review by next Sunday, at most. Thank you for your patience. —
The Most ComfortableChair 11:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)reply
No worries. Coincidentally, I am attending a conference out of town this week so I wouldn't have much time to respond before then anyway!
DanCherek (
talk) 13:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Lead
"Düsseldorf, Prussia, Germany" → "Düsseldorf, Prussia, German Empire" — Could also link
German Empire if you would like to.
I would recommend adding a timeframe for her studies — it is not clear if she studied locally as a child, adolescent or adult. Same goes for her study with Hermann Gallos and Hans Duhan. Even a rough estimate would be useful in contextualizing her development.
I've spent the past few days digging through sources for any clarification on this but unfortunately wasn't able to find anything that sheds any more light. Her studies with van Helden is from The New York Times, which only mentions: "She is a native of Duesseldorf, where she studied with Henrich van Helden." The other two teachers are from the Times obituary, which mentions: "Braun studied in Vienna under two notable singers, Hermann Gallos and Hans Duhan." It seems like in these and every other source that I've seen, her date of birth and the year of her debut are given, but not really any other chronological information in between.
DanCherek (
talk) 19:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Career
Link — "Le nozze di Figaro"; "dramatic soprano"; "Brünnhilde"; "Wagner"; "Der Ring des Nibelungen"; "Vienna State Opera"; "Bavarian State Opera"; "Metropolitan Opera"; "Helen Traubel"; "laryngitis".
Done. For Wagner, I linked
Wagnerian later on in the article, which redirects to the composer's article. ("
Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen puts the wikilinks a little too close in my opinion).
DanCherek (
talk) 21:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
"She was a member of the Vienna State Opera from 1939 to 1949, and from 1940 until her retirement in 1959 she was also a member of the Bavarian State Opera." — Could be trimmed for flow. → "She was a member of the Vienna State Opera from 1939 to 1949, and from 1940 until her retirement in 1959 of the Bavarian State Opera."
"the opera was met with a hostile public response" — Could we briefly mention the reason for it?
Added more from the existing Levi source and a new source about its reception – basically a combination of perceived anti-fascist themes and musical elements that people didn't like.
DanCherek (
talk) 19:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
References
Could link "Newspapers.com" for consistency, since "ProQuest" is also linked.
I would suggest adding English translations of German titles wherever it is relatively descriptive — "Rudolf Wagner-Régeny: Der Opernkomponist"; "'Unausführbar' – 'was Furchtbares' – 'Gelingen des Unmöglichen': Tristan und Isolde im discographischen Vergleich"; "Schwerpunkt: Tristan und Isolde"
Overall, really great work on this! It is concise and well-written. Little to suggest here and it should pass. —
The Most ComfortableChair 17:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hello
DanCherek, I went through the article again and found no other problems. Once the outstanding three points are addressed, I will pass this. There is no rush though — just wanted to let you know. —
The Most ComfortableChair 02:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the review! I'm planning to finish responding within the next day.
DanCherek (
talk) 02:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
The Most Comfortable Chair, I've responded to all above and I think I'm ready for you to take another look when you get a chance. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, I wasn't able to find very much information about her early life in terms of when she studied. Please let me know if you have any more suggestions about this or any other aspects of the article. Thanks again for your time in doing this review!
DanCherek (
talk) 19:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The article is written nicely, illustrated appropriately, and covers all major aspects fairly; it cites reliable sources and the content is verifiable. I am happy to pass — thank you
DanCherek for writing one more high-quality article! —
The Most ComfortableChair 20:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Helena Braun appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang the role of Brünnhilde in Wagner's Die Walküre at the
Metropolitan Opera with four hours' notice?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang at the
Metropolitan Opera on four hours' notice, standing in for a soprano who had laryngitis? Source: "Helena Braun, who came to this country just to be with her husband, Ferdinand Frantz, while he made his debut last week at the Metropolitan Opera, made her own debut there last night. She sang [...] at four hours' notice. Helen Traubel [...] was scheduled to sing, but word came from her doctor yesterday afternoon that she had laryngitis."
The New York Times (
ProQuest105875888);
Source for "just for the trip"
Can we please say that she didn't step in for something minor, but Brünnhilde, which is about one of the hardest things? I believe that's more interesting than the specific illness of her colleague. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 19:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that when Helena Braun visited New York "just for the trip", she sang as Brünnhilde in Wagner's Die Walküre at the
Metropolitan Opera on four hours' notice?
@
The C of E: Thank you very much for reviewing this a while back! Do you mind giving a quick look at ALT1 above as an alternate hook?
DanCherek (
talk) 21:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I became preoccupied with something unexpected this past week. I will have the review by next Sunday, at most. Thank you for your patience. —
The Most ComfortableChair 11:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)reply
No worries. Coincidentally, I am attending a conference out of town this week so I wouldn't have much time to respond before then anyway!
DanCherek (
talk) 13:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Lead
"Düsseldorf, Prussia, Germany" → "Düsseldorf, Prussia, German Empire" — Could also link
German Empire if you would like to.
I would recommend adding a timeframe for her studies — it is not clear if she studied locally as a child, adolescent or adult. Same goes for her study with Hermann Gallos and Hans Duhan. Even a rough estimate would be useful in contextualizing her development.
I've spent the past few days digging through sources for any clarification on this but unfortunately wasn't able to find anything that sheds any more light. Her studies with van Helden is from The New York Times, which only mentions: "She is a native of Duesseldorf, where she studied with Henrich van Helden." The other two teachers are from the Times obituary, which mentions: "Braun studied in Vienna under two notable singers, Hermann Gallos and Hans Duhan." It seems like in these and every other source that I've seen, her date of birth and the year of her debut are given, but not really any other chronological information in between.
DanCherek (
talk) 19:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Career
Link — "Le nozze di Figaro"; "dramatic soprano"; "Brünnhilde"; "Wagner"; "Der Ring des Nibelungen"; "Vienna State Opera"; "Bavarian State Opera"; "Metropolitan Opera"; "Helen Traubel"; "laryngitis".
Done. For Wagner, I linked
Wagnerian later on in the article, which redirects to the composer's article. ("
Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen puts the wikilinks a little too close in my opinion).
DanCherek (
talk) 21:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
"She was a member of the Vienna State Opera from 1939 to 1949, and from 1940 until her retirement in 1959 she was also a member of the Bavarian State Opera." — Could be trimmed for flow. → "She was a member of the Vienna State Opera from 1939 to 1949, and from 1940 until her retirement in 1959 of the Bavarian State Opera."
"the opera was met with a hostile public response" — Could we briefly mention the reason for it?
Added more from the existing Levi source and a new source about its reception – basically a combination of perceived anti-fascist themes and musical elements that people didn't like.
DanCherek (
talk) 19:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
References
Could link "Newspapers.com" for consistency, since "ProQuest" is also linked.
I would suggest adding English translations of German titles wherever it is relatively descriptive — "Rudolf Wagner-Régeny: Der Opernkomponist"; "'Unausführbar' – 'was Furchtbares' – 'Gelingen des Unmöglichen': Tristan und Isolde im discographischen Vergleich"; "Schwerpunkt: Tristan und Isolde"
Overall, really great work on this! It is concise and well-written. Little to suggest here and it should pass. —
The Most ComfortableChair 17:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hello
DanCherek, I went through the article again and found no other problems. Once the outstanding three points are addressed, I will pass this. There is no rush though — just wanted to let you know. —
The Most ComfortableChair 02:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the review! I'm planning to finish responding within the next day.
DanCherek (
talk) 02:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
The Most Comfortable Chair, I've responded to all above and I think I'm ready for you to take another look when you get a chance. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, I wasn't able to find very much information about her early life in terms of when she studied. Please let me know if you have any more suggestions about this or any other aspects of the article. Thanks again for your time in doing this review!
DanCherek (
talk) 19:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The article is written nicely, illustrated appropriately, and covers all major aspects fairly; it cites reliable sources and the content is verifiable. I am happy to pass — thank you
DanCherek for writing one more high-quality article! —
The Most ComfortableChair 20:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)reply