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"Heleen Mees, 44, a former adjunct professor at NYU's Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service..."
"An NYU spokesman said Mees taught a course last fall at the Wagner school but is not currently associated with the university."
This source can be used after "In 2006 Mees co-founded Women on Top,[ 11] an organization that advocates more women in top jobs" in the Heleen Mees wikipedia article since the source Bmwz3hm has put down (women-on-top.nl) is not in English.
"In 2006 [Heleen Mees] co-founded Women on Top, a group advocating for more women in top corporate jobs and company boards." -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 12:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Mees was arrested in July 2013. The prosecution ran into problems in the weeks after Mees' arrest, as it turned out that Buiter had himself sent Mees hundreds of emails, and had even reached out to her after her arrest. That's why the charges are going to be dropped. It's not part of a plea deal, as Mees did not plead guilty to any of the charges. Therefore there is no sentencing, and there is no probation. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 11:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
The picture Heleen Mees/ Bmwz3hm added is copyrighted by EPA. See the picture here: http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_window.jsp?id=http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/article22001064.ece/BINARY/d/IMG_ajt_mees_2_1_0FQD3LD.jpg&caption=%20©right=EPA&artid=22196223&artsec=buitenland&artparsec=buitenland&arttit=Stalkingszaak%20Heleen%20Mees%20weer%20voor%20rechter
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22196223/__Heleen_Mees_weer_voor_rechter__.html
Must be deleted immediately. It was already deleted ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=603541034&oldid=603536554) BUT Heleen Mees/ Bmwz3hm re-added it. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 02:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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"2009 arbeitete sie als Showmaster bei der niederländische Rundfunkgesellschaft VARA. Sie ist regelmäßig Gast im Ökonomen-Panel von BNR Nieuwsradio.[ 5]"
So the following should be added to the English Heleen Mees article:
In 2009, Mees was a TV host on VARA, a Dutch public broadcasting association. She was a regular guest at the panel of economists on BNR Newsradio. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Powerfeminist Heleen Mees: 'Het liefst zou ik trouwen en kinderen krijgen', Carolina Lo Galbo, Vrig Nederland, 25 april 2009 says Mees was an employee of the European Commission from 1998 to 2000. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 14:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The following part should be re-added to the Heleen Mees wikipedia article as it was inexplicably deleted by Bmwz3hm:
Heleen Mees (born Heleen Nijkamp, 1968, Hengelo, Overijssel, Netherlands) [1] [2] is a Dutch economist and opinion writer. [3] She was Adjunct Associate Professor of Economics at Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service in New York City until July 2013. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
-- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
According to this article, Heleen Mees was known as Heleen Nijkamp until she changed her last name in 2002. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
"Heleen Mees / Ik vind het niet erg mensen op de kast te jagen" (2008 article) also says she changed her last name from Nijkamp to Mees and that people find it strange. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 14:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I did some editing to the effect that this biographical article gives a fair, factual and neutral account, based on reliable sources. User bmwz3hm undid all of my edits. The advancement of personal interests is the wrong motivation for editing Wikipedia articles. Could user bmwz3hm gives encyclopedic arguments in favour of her edits? Edit warring is not a civilised practice. Please do not undo my edits, but use this talk page for a debate. May the best arguments win! Theobald Tiger ( talk) 07:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm reverted again, without explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605173655&oldid=605173431 -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 18:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm just undid all of other users' edits, again with no edit summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605257860&oldid=605244004
See also: User_talk:Bmwz3hm#April_2014 -- TheCockroach ( talk) 06:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Theobald Tiger- please add sources after "She is known for her provocative feminist views. Mees is a firm advocate of female ambition and a promotor of more women in the supervisory and executive boards of big companies." You could use any of the following:
October 2013 profile of Mees in HP/De Tijd:
Heleen Mees: profiel van de gevallen feministe, 21 oktober 2013 -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The two following categories should be placed on the
Heleen Mees wikipedia article:
Category:Feminist writers
Category:Dutch feminists --
24.97.201.230 (
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14:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
This article says Mees is a third-wave feminist. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 09:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
In my most recent edit, I said "Undid revision 605966981 by Kinker020 (talk) As you can see in the revision history, Bjelleklang and Theobald Tiger agree that *this* version is the least promotional, least self-serving version". I actually was referring to this edit. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 00:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
IP user 122.248.140.29 deleted categories without leaving an edit summary. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
IP user 122.248.140.29 deleted the fact that Mees writes for a blog of the Economist Forum.
122.248.140.29 added that Mees writes for the German magazine Capital without providing a source.
122.248.140.29 also added "Her work has been published in the Financial Times, Foreign Policy and other international newspapers and magazine." without a source.
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted the "Not in citation given" template after this link: http://www.nrc.nl/heleenmees
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted that Mees was a "spokeswoman for former Secretary of State Willem Vermeend" and the source.
122.248.140.29 also deleted "if Mees would comply with two conditions". Taking out this part of the sentence gives a false impression about the nature of Mees' plea deal. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted Mees' birth name from the infobox. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
This edit by 122.248.140.29 just repeats what is already written in the Heleen Mees Wikipedia article. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
In less than half an hour Bmwz3hm has breached 3RR again and has indicated that she is not willing to leave the article alone so I've raised another report at WP:3RRNB. The discussion is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Bmwz3hm reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: ). -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
In light of TheCockroach's objection to the new edits, and what I've just discovered myself, I'm going to revert Bmwz3hm's most recent edits as they constitute some very sneaky edit-warring. Bmwz3hm's first edit today did not revert directly to her previous version, [1] and the next edit was exceptionally minor, albeit being contrary to MOS:LQ, [2] but the next edit was an almost complete reversion to the disputed version that resulted in Bmwz3hm being blocked. [3] This included reintroducing errors into the infobox and was a significant change from Bmwz3hm's first edit today. [4] Subsequent changes were only made to the lead, removing the birth place and inexplicably removing dates from the citation. [5] This is something Bmwz3hm has done in the past, [6] which is why I had to restore it a few days ago. [7] Given that Bmwz3hm's edits today have resulted in an almost complete reversion to the version of the article that resulted in here block, [8] I intend taking this back to WP:AN3 after reverting. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 02:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Please note that the original text of the article is much more objective than the current disputed text. The original text just sums up facts without attaching a subjective judgement (like 'provocative,' 'most known for'). What one knows Mees most for will vary per person. Some will know her most for her views on women in top jobs. Others may know her for her writings on a New York style opportunity-based society, which is what her second book is all about. While still others know Heleen Mees most for her criticism of Ben Bernanke and her views on the rise of China. Please note as well that Mees would still be NYU professor if she had not been falsely charged. 113.28.12.161 ( talk) 01:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
FYI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmwz3hm W C M email 22:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
And now IP user 122.248.140.29 has reverted the same material that user Kinker020 reverted repeatedly before being blocked... -- TheCockroach ( talk) 10:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Meat-puppetry: https://twitter.com/HeleenMees/status/460368820733874176 -- TheCockroach ( talk) 14:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
[9] Socking confirmed, asked for the socks to be blocked. W C M email 19:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd like someone else to look at this as well, but from what I see it seems like parts of the current text and also some of the previous revisions from Bmwz3hm is taken directly from the frontpage bio at HeleenMees.com. Can someone else check this and see if they agree? Bjelleklang - talk 08:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Per the discussion immediately above, please add {{subst:copyvio|url=http://heleenmees.com/}} to the article. As discussed above, the page contains text copied from http://heleenmees.com/ which does not have a license compatible with Wikipedia. Alternatively, the article may be reverted to this revision, as that does not contain copyrighted text. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I also think that the original text, as it is now, is better than Theobald Tiger's text which adds a lot of subjective elements, like 'most known for' and 'provocative.' I'm quite sure that in the United States Heleen Mees is most known for her sharp criticism of the Federal Reserve's loose monetary policy, not for her views on women's issues. Kinker020 ( talk) 17:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
The original text is as the text is now. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 18:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm ( talk) 21:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
In the Netherlands Heleen Mees’ opinions about women in the workplace may have been seen as provocative, but in the United States and most other countries the views of Heleen Mees are simply mainstream. Journalists for The New York Times (Katrin Bennhold) and The Atlantic (Sharon Lerner) did interview Heleen Mees in the past about her views on women’s issues, but Mees' opinions never made it into any newspaper article because they are considered nothing out of the ordinary in the United States. If you look at Heleen Mees’ bibliography, you can see that she only wrote 2 English pieces about women’s issues, from a list of more than 50 publications (see below). The first article deals with women on corporate boards, the second with outlawing prostitution. Both articles fit well in a European trend at the time and can hardly be considered provocative, now or then. To summarize Heleen Mees work based on these 2 pieces, which are already more than 6 years old, seems wholly unbalanced to me. The original text of the Heleen Mees article devotes a paragraph to Mees’ successful lobby for more women on corporate boards in the Netherlands in 2006 - 2008, which is just about right in light of the above. The original text pays more balanced attention to Mees' other achievements in English language media, which may have gone unnoticed in the Netherlands. These achievements include the numerous publications in leading newspapers and magazines about economic issues and her teaching position at NYU.
BIBLIOGRAPHY HELEEN MEES:
Forthcoming Bekaert, Geert and Heleen Mees. 2014. Housing Bubbles and the Dutch Disease. (Working Paper).
Mees, Heleen. 2014. NY Service Economy - A Template for a Future Suburbia. Here, There, Everywhere, DroogLab Amsterdam.
Mees, Heleen. 2014. China, No House of Cards. Capital, April 2014.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2014. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? (Accepted for publication by Journal of Behavioral and Experimental Economics).
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Why China's Growth Model Makes Sense. Project Syndicate, May 16, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Financial Crisis or Innovation Crisis? Both!. Project Syndicate, May, 2, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. The Big Wage Squeeze. Project Syndicate, April 23, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Transatlantic Strife. Project Syndicate, April 9, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Interest Rates Should Take Blame for Recession. Financial Times Economists's Forum, March 1, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Go Fitch, Go. Financial Times Economists' Forum.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Synthesising Views on West's Poor Growth. Financial Times Economists' Forum, 12-12-2012.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2012. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. Applied Economics Volume 45, Issue 24, 2013.
Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? VoxEU, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. PhD-propositions in English and Mandarin Chinese. VoxEU, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? Journal paper on China's household savings rate. This version August 2012. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Fed Should Buy Stocks instead of Bonds. Financial Times Economists' Blog, August 6, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Changing Fortunes - How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Ph.D. thesis, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. China's Reliable Rise. Project Syndicate, July 25, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Evaluating the Global Crisis. Public Administration Review, Volume 72, Issue 6, Pages 779 - 949, November/December 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Fed Up. Foreign Policy on June 12, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Only Germany Can Save Europe. Foreign Policy, April 24, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Zero Man Foreign Policy, April 3, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Foreign Policy, January 17, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Housing Bubble. Journal of Monetary Economics. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Real Money in China, Money Illusion in America. In VoxEU on November 20, 2011.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? Tinbergen Institute Discussion Paper No. 11-149/4. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Perils of Loose Living. Foreign Policy, October 11, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Global Saving Glut Will Hold Bond Yields Down. In VoxEU on August 8, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. Lost in Transmission. In VoxEU on June 21, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. Beware of Runaway Headline Inflation. In VoxEU on May 3, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Saving Glut. In VoxEU on March 24, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The False Panacea of Labor Market Flexibility. By Project Syndicate, March 22, 2011.
Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).
Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Does News on Real Chinese GDP Growth Impact Stock Markets? By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2010. Germany is not China. By Project Syndicate on August 16, 2010.
Mees, Heleen. 2010. Don't Blame the Euro. By EuroIntelligence on June 10, 2010.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast!. In The New York Times on May 24, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast! (extended version). In NRC Handelsblad on May 10, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Between Greed and Desire - The World between Wall Street and Main Street.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Does Legalizing Prostitution Work By Project Syndicate on January 23, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2008. Wars against Women. By Project Syndicate on May 26, 2008.
Mees, Heleen. 2008. Why We Must Break the Male Cartel in the Work Place. In the Financial Times on April 23, 2008.
Mees, Heleen. 2007. The Cost of the Gender Gap. By Project Syndicate on August 29, 2007.
Mees, Heleen. 2007. China is Buying Europe. In The International Herald Tribune on July 29, 2007.
Mees, Heleen. 2006. Europe's Leisure Trap. By Project Syndicate on June 23, 2006.
Mees, Heleen and Rick van der Ploeg. 2005. Affirmative Action for Europe. In Le Monde on December 2, 2005.
Bmwz3hm ( talk) 15:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
(added lines as I want to be clear that the above is not written by me)
You don't seriously mean that if you can check the source directly, you still need another source. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 21:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Source: http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/uncategorized/heleen-mees-citigroups-willem-buiter-demented-girlfriend/ Bmwz3hm ( talk) 22:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, my source obviously is Heleen Mees. I only use it on the talk page, not in the Wikipedia article. But it is not up to me to prove that Heleen Mees was never known for her feminist views outside the Netherlands, it is up to you to show that she was. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 22:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
The Text doesn't do justice to Heleen Mees's achievements. She is a respected Economist with a global footprint. RUmarAbbasi ( talk) 22:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me deleting "New York University" and "European Commission" from the "Institution" line of the infobox for the reasons stated above? -- TheCockroach ( talk) 08:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Voilà, a source: http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/van/1999/juni/16/ik-kan-niet-als-enige-gelijk-hebben-7451175 Bmwz3hm ( talk) 19:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, would it be okay to ad the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/25/opinion/25iht-edletmon.html?_r=0. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC) Lotje ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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"Heleen Mees, 44, a former adjunct professor at NYU's Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service..."
"An NYU spokesman said Mees taught a course last fall at the Wagner school but is not currently associated with the university."
This source can be used after "In 2006 Mees co-founded Women on Top,[ 11] an organization that advocates more women in top jobs" in the Heleen Mees wikipedia article since the source Bmwz3hm has put down (women-on-top.nl) is not in English.
"In 2006 [Heleen Mees] co-founded Women on Top, a group advocating for more women in top corporate jobs and company boards." -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 12:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Mees was arrested in July 2013. The prosecution ran into problems in the weeks after Mees' arrest, as it turned out that Buiter had himself sent Mees hundreds of emails, and had even reached out to her after her arrest. That's why the charges are going to be dropped. It's not part of a plea deal, as Mees did not plead guilty to any of the charges. Therefore there is no sentencing, and there is no probation. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 11:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
The picture Heleen Mees/ Bmwz3hm added is copyrighted by EPA. See the picture here: http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_window.jsp?id=http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/article22001064.ece/BINARY/d/IMG_ajt_mees_2_1_0FQD3LD.jpg&caption=%20©right=EPA&artid=22196223&artsec=buitenland&artparsec=buitenland&arttit=Stalkingszaak%20Heleen%20Mees%20weer%20voor%20rechter
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22196223/__Heleen_Mees_weer_voor_rechter__.html
Must be deleted immediately. It was already deleted ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=603541034&oldid=603536554) BUT Heleen Mees/ Bmwz3hm re-added it. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 02:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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"2009 arbeitete sie als Showmaster bei der niederländische Rundfunkgesellschaft VARA. Sie ist regelmäßig Gast im Ökonomen-Panel von BNR Nieuwsradio.[ 5]"
So the following should be added to the English Heleen Mees article:
In 2009, Mees was a TV host on VARA, a Dutch public broadcasting association. She was a regular guest at the panel of economists on BNR Newsradio. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Powerfeminist Heleen Mees: 'Het liefst zou ik trouwen en kinderen krijgen', Carolina Lo Galbo, Vrig Nederland, 25 april 2009 says Mees was an employee of the European Commission from 1998 to 2000. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 14:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The following part should be re-added to the Heleen Mees wikipedia article as it was inexplicably deleted by Bmwz3hm:
Heleen Mees (born Heleen Nijkamp, 1968, Hengelo, Overijssel, Netherlands) [1] [2] is a Dutch economist and opinion writer. [3] She was Adjunct Associate Professor of Economics at Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service in New York City until July 2013. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
-- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
According to this article, Heleen Mees was known as Heleen Nijkamp until she changed her last name in 2002. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
"Heleen Mees / Ik vind het niet erg mensen op de kast te jagen" (2008 article) also says she changed her last name from Nijkamp to Mees and that people find it strange. -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 14:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I did some editing to the effect that this biographical article gives a fair, factual and neutral account, based on reliable sources. User bmwz3hm undid all of my edits. The advancement of personal interests is the wrong motivation for editing Wikipedia articles. Could user bmwz3hm gives encyclopedic arguments in favour of her edits? Edit warring is not a civilised practice. Please do not undo my edits, but use this talk page for a debate. May the best arguments win! Theobald Tiger ( talk) 07:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm reverted again, without explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605173655&oldid=605173431 -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 18:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm just undid all of other users' edits, again with no edit summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605257860&oldid=605244004
See also: User_talk:Bmwz3hm#April_2014 -- TheCockroach ( talk) 06:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Theobald Tiger- please add sources after "She is known for her provocative feminist views. Mees is a firm advocate of female ambition and a promotor of more women in the supervisory and executive boards of big companies." You could use any of the following:
October 2013 profile of Mees in HP/De Tijd:
Heleen Mees: profiel van de gevallen feministe, 21 oktober 2013 -- 24.97.201.230 ( talk) 13:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The two following categories should be placed on the
Heleen Mees wikipedia article:
Category:Feminist writers
Category:Dutch feminists --
24.97.201.230 (
talk)
14:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
This article says Mees is a third-wave feminist. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 09:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
In my most recent edit, I said "Undid revision 605966981 by Kinker020 (talk) As you can see in the revision history, Bjelleklang and Theobald Tiger agree that *this* version is the least promotional, least self-serving version". I actually was referring to this edit. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 00:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
IP user 122.248.140.29 deleted categories without leaving an edit summary. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
IP user 122.248.140.29 deleted the fact that Mees writes for a blog of the Economist Forum.
122.248.140.29 added that Mees writes for the German magazine Capital without providing a source.
122.248.140.29 also added "Her work has been published in the Financial Times, Foreign Policy and other international newspapers and magazine." without a source.
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted the "Not in citation given" template after this link: http://www.nrc.nl/heleenmees
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted that Mees was a "spokeswoman for former Secretary of State Willem Vermeend" and the source.
122.248.140.29 also deleted "if Mees would comply with two conditions". Taking out this part of the sentence gives a false impression about the nature of Mees' plea deal. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
122.248.140.29 inexplicably deleted Mees' birth name from the infobox. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
This edit by 122.248.140.29 just repeats what is already written in the Heleen Mees Wikipedia article. -- TheCockroach ( talk) 04:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
In less than half an hour Bmwz3hm has breached 3RR again and has indicated that she is not willing to leave the article alone so I've raised another report at WP:3RRNB. The discussion is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Bmwz3hm reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: ). -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
In light of TheCockroach's objection to the new edits, and what I've just discovered myself, I'm going to revert Bmwz3hm's most recent edits as they constitute some very sneaky edit-warring. Bmwz3hm's first edit today did not revert directly to her previous version, [1] and the next edit was exceptionally minor, albeit being contrary to MOS:LQ, [2] but the next edit was an almost complete reversion to the disputed version that resulted in Bmwz3hm being blocked. [3] This included reintroducing errors into the infobox and was a significant change from Bmwz3hm's first edit today. [4] Subsequent changes were only made to the lead, removing the birth place and inexplicably removing dates from the citation. [5] This is something Bmwz3hm has done in the past, [6] which is why I had to restore it a few days ago. [7] Given that Bmwz3hm's edits today have resulted in an almost complete reversion to the version of the article that resulted in here block, [8] I intend taking this back to WP:AN3 after reverting. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 02:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Please note that the original text of the article is much more objective than the current disputed text. The original text just sums up facts without attaching a subjective judgement (like 'provocative,' 'most known for'). What one knows Mees most for will vary per person. Some will know her most for her views on women in top jobs. Others may know her for her writings on a New York style opportunity-based society, which is what her second book is all about. While still others know Heleen Mees most for her criticism of Ben Bernanke and her views on the rise of China. Please note as well that Mees would still be NYU professor if she had not been falsely charged. 113.28.12.161 ( talk) 01:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
FYI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmwz3hm W C M email 22:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
And now IP user 122.248.140.29 has reverted the same material that user Kinker020 reverted repeatedly before being blocked... -- TheCockroach ( talk) 10:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Meat-puppetry: https://twitter.com/HeleenMees/status/460368820733874176 -- TheCockroach ( talk) 14:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
[9] Socking confirmed, asked for the socks to be blocked. W C M email 19:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd like someone else to look at this as well, but from what I see it seems like parts of the current text and also some of the previous revisions from Bmwz3hm is taken directly from the frontpage bio at HeleenMees.com. Can someone else check this and see if they agree? Bjelleklang - talk 08:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Per the discussion immediately above, please add {{subst:copyvio|url=http://heleenmees.com/}} to the article. As discussed above, the page contains text copied from http://heleenmees.com/ which does not have a license compatible with Wikipedia. Alternatively, the article may be reverted to this revision, as that does not contain copyrighted text. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I also think that the original text, as it is now, is better than Theobald Tiger's text which adds a lot of subjective elements, like 'most known for' and 'provocative.' I'm quite sure that in the United States Heleen Mees is most known for her sharp criticism of the Federal Reserve's loose monetary policy, not for her views on women's issues. Kinker020 ( talk) 17:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
The original text is as the text is now. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 18:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Bmwz3hm ( talk) 21:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
In the Netherlands Heleen Mees’ opinions about women in the workplace may have been seen as provocative, but in the United States and most other countries the views of Heleen Mees are simply mainstream. Journalists for The New York Times (Katrin Bennhold) and The Atlantic (Sharon Lerner) did interview Heleen Mees in the past about her views on women’s issues, but Mees' opinions never made it into any newspaper article because they are considered nothing out of the ordinary in the United States. If you look at Heleen Mees’ bibliography, you can see that she only wrote 2 English pieces about women’s issues, from a list of more than 50 publications (see below). The first article deals with women on corporate boards, the second with outlawing prostitution. Both articles fit well in a European trend at the time and can hardly be considered provocative, now or then. To summarize Heleen Mees work based on these 2 pieces, which are already more than 6 years old, seems wholly unbalanced to me. The original text of the Heleen Mees article devotes a paragraph to Mees’ successful lobby for more women on corporate boards in the Netherlands in 2006 - 2008, which is just about right in light of the above. The original text pays more balanced attention to Mees' other achievements in English language media, which may have gone unnoticed in the Netherlands. These achievements include the numerous publications in leading newspapers and magazines about economic issues and her teaching position at NYU.
BIBLIOGRAPHY HELEEN MEES:
Forthcoming Bekaert, Geert and Heleen Mees. 2014. Housing Bubbles and the Dutch Disease. (Working Paper).
Mees, Heleen. 2014. NY Service Economy - A Template for a Future Suburbia. Here, There, Everywhere, DroogLab Amsterdam.
Mees, Heleen. 2014. China, No House of Cards. Capital, April 2014.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2014. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? (Accepted for publication by Journal of Behavioral and Experimental Economics).
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Why China's Growth Model Makes Sense. Project Syndicate, May 16, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Financial Crisis or Innovation Crisis? Both!. Project Syndicate, May, 2, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. The Big Wage Squeeze. Project Syndicate, April 23, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Transatlantic Strife. Project Syndicate, April 9, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Interest Rates Should Take Blame for Recession. Financial Times Economists's Forum, March 1, 2013.
Mees, Heleen. 2013. Go Fitch, Go. Financial Times Economists' Forum.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Synthesising Views on West's Poor Growth. Financial Times Economists' Forum, 12-12-2012.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2012. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. Applied Economics Volume 45, Issue 24, 2013.
Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? VoxEU, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. PhD-propositions in English and Mandarin Chinese. VoxEU, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? Journal paper on China's household savings rate. This version August 2012. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Fed Should Buy Stocks instead of Bonds. Financial Times Economists' Blog, August 6, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Changing Fortunes - How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Ph.D. thesis, August 28, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. China's Reliable Rise. Project Syndicate, July 25, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Evaluating the Global Crisis. Public Administration Review, Volume 72, Issue 6, Pages 779 - 949, November/December 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Fed Up. Foreign Policy on June 12, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. Only Germany Can Save Europe. Foreign Policy, April 24, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Zero Man Foreign Policy, April 3, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Foreign Policy, January 17, 2012.
Mees, Heleen. 2012. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Housing Bubble. Journal of Monetary Economics. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Real Money in China, Money Illusion in America. In VoxEU on November 20, 2011.
Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? Tinbergen Institute Discussion Paper No. 11-149/4. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Perils of Loose Living. Foreign Policy, October 11, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Global Saving Glut Will Hold Bond Yields Down. In VoxEU on August 8, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. Lost in Transmission. In VoxEU on June 21, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. Beware of Runaway Headline Inflation. In VoxEU on May 3, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Saving Glut. In VoxEU on March 24, 2011.
Mees, Heleen. 2011. The False Panacea of Labor Market Flexibility. By Project Syndicate, March 22, 2011.
Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).
Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Does News on Real Chinese GDP Growth Impact Stock Markets? By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).
Mees, Heleen. 2010. Germany is not China. By Project Syndicate on August 16, 2010.
Mees, Heleen. 2010. Don't Blame the Euro. By EuroIntelligence on June 10, 2010.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast!. In The New York Times on May 24, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast! (extended version). In NRC Handelsblad on May 10, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Between Greed and Desire - The World between Wall Street and Main Street.
Mees, Heleen. 2009. Does Legalizing Prostitution Work By Project Syndicate on January 23, 2009.
Mees, Heleen. 2008. Wars against Women. By Project Syndicate on May 26, 2008.
Mees, Heleen. 2008. Why We Must Break the Male Cartel in the Work Place. In the Financial Times on April 23, 2008.
Mees, Heleen. 2007. The Cost of the Gender Gap. By Project Syndicate on August 29, 2007.
Mees, Heleen. 2007. China is Buying Europe. In The International Herald Tribune on July 29, 2007.
Mees, Heleen. 2006. Europe's Leisure Trap. By Project Syndicate on June 23, 2006.
Mees, Heleen and Rick van der Ploeg. 2005. Affirmative Action for Europe. In Le Monde on December 2, 2005.
Bmwz3hm ( talk) 15:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
(added lines as I want to be clear that the above is not written by me)
You don't seriously mean that if you can check the source directly, you still need another source. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 21:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Source: http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/uncategorized/heleen-mees-citigroups-willem-buiter-demented-girlfriend/ Bmwz3hm ( talk) 22:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, my source obviously is Heleen Mees. I only use it on the talk page, not in the Wikipedia article. But it is not up to me to prove that Heleen Mees was never known for her feminist views outside the Netherlands, it is up to you to show that she was. Bmwz3hm ( talk) 22:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
The Text doesn't do justice to Heleen Mees's achievements. She is a respected Economist with a global footprint. RUmarAbbasi ( talk) 22:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me deleting "New York University" and "European Commission" from the "Institution" line of the infobox for the reasons stated above? -- TheCockroach ( talk) 08:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Voilà, a source: http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/van/1999/juni/16/ik-kan-niet-als-enige-gelijk-hebben-7451175 Bmwz3hm ( talk) 19:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, would it be okay to ad the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/25/opinion/25iht-edletmon.html?_r=0. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC) Lotje ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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