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I'm curious why this article was merged to this name, which seems to be the least used transliteration of the name on Google -
I'd suggest "Hedjaz" (as the form most commonly used at the time of construction) or "Hejaz" (most common today) would be more appropriate if the aim is for people to find this article. -- Arwel 20:33, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I get:
Probably just a Google thing.
There was an article called Hijaz line, which I expanded. I live in Jeddah, which is in the Hijaz, and Hijaz is the common spelling in English consular documents etc. as well as the spelling used by the Saudis themselves when writing in English. When I renamed it to Hijaz railway I discovered there was already another article, so I merged the better parts. I have no problem if anybody wants to move it to Hejaz railway. Probably logical, since there is also a Hejaz article. The only comprehensive book on the railway uses the spelling Hedjaz, which is a bit old-fashioned. Quite off-topic, but I've got a Hijaz/Hejaz rail-pin on the desk in front of me right now. Anjouli 20:48, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I'm not sure how but the page history of this article seems to have been lost. I wrote the innitial entry to this article some time ago G-Man 18:01, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Ok it had been merged from Hedjas Railway instead of being moved, so I moved that here to avoid losing the history G-Man 18:08, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hejaz is probably the best place, as we have a Hejaz article. I thought that was where I left it after the last edit, but it seems to have been all around the houses since then. Anjouli 05:53, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
After a closer inspection of the history, I see my rename to "Hejaz" seems to have vanished and somehow it got back to "Hedjaz". How did that happen? Anjouli 05:59, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
As to the metal sleepers used in some areas, the stealing of wooden ones wasn't necessarily the only reason. In many climates wood does not survive at all well, and thus other materials are often used -- iron or steel being the most practicable at the time of construction of most narrow gauge railways. This is the reason for them being used on the Eritrean Railway, for example. These days, concrete would of course be used. -- Morven 08:34, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
"Although justified as a "religious railway" to aid the Hajj pilgrimage, its true purpose was probably to cement the Ottoman grip on the region and foster trade between Damascus and Medina."
So now we're ascribing motives to the Ottomans for building this and saying that they had negative intentions relative to the Arabs. How do you know what its "true purpose" was?
I thought that the main reason for this was that Abdul Hamid II was overthrown and his successor wasn't as enthusiastic about the whole Hejaz railway project. What do reliable sources say? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that the article [ Hedschasbahn] on the German Wikipedia has much more detailed route information. I translated one of the tables. Any opinions whether these route-tables, and iother info from the German article, may be a useful addition here?
The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv ( talk) 09:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Hejaz railway → Hejaz Railway — It will be more appropriate for the article to have a proper name as a title. Currently, that proper name redirects to this article. In other words, the request if for an interchanged content, with the proper name holding the main article, and this article holding a redirect link. Joey80 ( talk) 02:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion about the definition of the term Hejaz Railway. This article defines it as the section from Damascus to Medina but the article İstanbul Haydarpaşa Terminal defines it as the entire railway from Istanbul to Medina. Can anyone clarify this? Biscuittin ( talk) 16:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved all DrStrauss talk 12:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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20:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)We should, and then link them. I'll try and start it here. I'm combining the names from the line plan/sketch + list from the lead + infobox map. Very helpful: this map from Saleh Musa Daradkeh, The Hijaz Railway pp. 205-208.
In the end we should primarily have the old, original Ottoman stations with the names used before WWI. NB: did the Ottomans use different transliterations for the various European languages, or did they offer just French, or maybe English or German? Next to the original names we can place the current Arabic ones, but separately. Modern additional branch lines should also be marked differently.
This list should be processed together with the History of the Hajj page, as the railway stations and the Syrian hajj route largely overlap and present similar identification and linking issues (see Talk:History of the Hajj#Darb el-Hajj needs own article + more info here).
[Many hours later: I have removed the material after inserting it into the article :) ] Arminden ( talk) 13:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
It should be redone:
Arminden ( talk) 13:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
James Nicholson, author of a book on the subject ("The Hejaz Railway"; probably self-edited, or not published yet?) has a website with excellent documentation (professional concept and photos, good and rigurous explanations) on the southern part of the now Saudi segment. He seems to also use the original, Ottoman-period spelling, which is needed here. However, his list of stations differs from the one in this article's own route plan. I call "route plan" the vertical line at the top of the page with the rail line's essential features marked on it. It is particularly problematic for the short segment in the mountainous stretch near Aqaba, where Nicholson has only one station and the page's own plan has three, none of which has the same name as Nicholson's. The next station to the S also differs in name, but only partially, so probably the same (both names begin with Aqaba, 'pass' or 'ascent'). Maybe the plan includes small water stations (old locomotives there probably very "thirsty"), or maybe Jordan still uses that section and has added new stations in recent times. Anyone? Arminden ( talk) 13:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The BBC https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180716-the-railway-that-united-islam says "Ordered by Sultan Abdul Hamid II in 1900"
UNESCO https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6026/ says, Hejaz Railway was built on the order of Ottoman ruler Sultan Abdulhameed II on September 1st 1909 " Hummusapiens ( talk) 07:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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I'm curious why this article was merged to this name, which seems to be the least used transliteration of the name on Google -
I'd suggest "Hedjaz" (as the form most commonly used at the time of construction) or "Hejaz" (most common today) would be more appropriate if the aim is for people to find this article. -- Arwel 20:33, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I get:
Probably just a Google thing.
There was an article called Hijaz line, which I expanded. I live in Jeddah, which is in the Hijaz, and Hijaz is the common spelling in English consular documents etc. as well as the spelling used by the Saudis themselves when writing in English. When I renamed it to Hijaz railway I discovered there was already another article, so I merged the better parts. I have no problem if anybody wants to move it to Hejaz railway. Probably logical, since there is also a Hejaz article. The only comprehensive book on the railway uses the spelling Hedjaz, which is a bit old-fashioned. Quite off-topic, but I've got a Hijaz/Hejaz rail-pin on the desk in front of me right now. Anjouli 20:48, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I'm not sure how but the page history of this article seems to have been lost. I wrote the innitial entry to this article some time ago G-Man 18:01, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Ok it had been merged from Hedjas Railway instead of being moved, so I moved that here to avoid losing the history G-Man 18:08, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hejaz is probably the best place, as we have a Hejaz article. I thought that was where I left it after the last edit, but it seems to have been all around the houses since then. Anjouli 05:53, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
After a closer inspection of the history, I see my rename to "Hejaz" seems to have vanished and somehow it got back to "Hedjaz". How did that happen? Anjouli 05:59, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
As to the metal sleepers used in some areas, the stealing of wooden ones wasn't necessarily the only reason. In many climates wood does not survive at all well, and thus other materials are often used -- iron or steel being the most practicable at the time of construction of most narrow gauge railways. This is the reason for them being used on the Eritrean Railway, for example. These days, concrete would of course be used. -- Morven 08:34, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
"Although justified as a "religious railway" to aid the Hajj pilgrimage, its true purpose was probably to cement the Ottoman grip on the region and foster trade between Damascus and Medina."
So now we're ascribing motives to the Ottomans for building this and saying that they had negative intentions relative to the Arabs. How do you know what its "true purpose" was?
I thought that the main reason for this was that Abdul Hamid II was overthrown and his successor wasn't as enthusiastic about the whole Hejaz railway project. What do reliable sources say? -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that the article [ Hedschasbahn] on the German Wikipedia has much more detailed route information. I translated one of the tables. Any opinions whether these route-tables, and iother info from the German article, may be a useful addition here?
The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv ( talk) 09:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Hejaz railway → Hejaz Railway — It will be more appropriate for the article to have a proper name as a title. Currently, that proper name redirects to this article. In other words, the request if for an interchanged content, with the proper name holding the main article, and this article holding a redirect link. Joey80 ( talk) 02:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion about the definition of the term Hejaz Railway. This article defines it as the section from Damascus to Medina but the article İstanbul Haydarpaşa Terminal defines it as the entire railway from Istanbul to Medina. Can anyone clarify this? Biscuittin ( talk) 16:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved all DrStrauss talk 12:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Hejaz Railway →
Hejaz railway – Per our MOS, article name is not a company or proper noun, plus most sources use lowercase. {{u|
Checkingfax}} {
Talk}
22:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
{{u|
Checkingfax}} {
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20:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)We should, and then link them. I'll try and start it here. I'm combining the names from the line plan/sketch + list from the lead + infobox map. Very helpful: this map from Saleh Musa Daradkeh, The Hijaz Railway pp. 205-208.
In the end we should primarily have the old, original Ottoman stations with the names used before WWI. NB: did the Ottomans use different transliterations for the various European languages, or did they offer just French, or maybe English or German? Next to the original names we can place the current Arabic ones, but separately. Modern additional branch lines should also be marked differently.
This list should be processed together with the History of the Hajj page, as the railway stations and the Syrian hajj route largely overlap and present similar identification and linking issues (see Talk:History of the Hajj#Darb el-Hajj needs own article + more info here).
[Many hours later: I have removed the material after inserting it into the article :) ] Arminden ( talk) 13:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
It should be redone:
Arminden ( talk) 13:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
James Nicholson, author of a book on the subject ("The Hejaz Railway"; probably self-edited, or not published yet?) has a website with excellent documentation (professional concept and photos, good and rigurous explanations) on the southern part of the now Saudi segment. He seems to also use the original, Ottoman-period spelling, which is needed here. However, his list of stations differs from the one in this article's own route plan. I call "route plan" the vertical line at the top of the page with the rail line's essential features marked on it. It is particularly problematic for the short segment in the mountainous stretch near Aqaba, where Nicholson has only one station and the page's own plan has three, none of which has the same name as Nicholson's. The next station to the S also differs in name, but only partially, so probably the same (both names begin with Aqaba, 'pass' or 'ascent'). Maybe the plan includes small water stations (old locomotives there probably very "thirsty"), or maybe Jordan still uses that section and has added new stations in recent times. Anyone? Arminden ( talk) 13:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The BBC https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180716-the-railway-that-united-islam says "Ordered by Sultan Abdul Hamid II in 1900"
UNESCO https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6026/ says, Hejaz Railway was built on the order of Ottoman ruler Sultan Abdulhameed II on September 1st 1909 " Hummusapiens ( talk) 07:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)