he ordered the advance on Gross-Klonia at night and through fog, leading to what he described as "serious casualties" There's a confusion of pronouns in this half-sentence
Despite the attention focused on mechanised warfare, the majority of German forces marched into Poland on foot and transported their supplies by horse-drawn vehicles; only 14 of the 54 divisions involved were mechanized This should be paired with the sentence about the amount of AFVs that Guderian controlled in the campaign. It's too short to stand on its own and breaks the flow of this section.
The invasion of Poland was ferocious. The German military killed thousands of civilians awkward and actually irrelevant as that is common in war. Unless you can tie these civilian deaths to orders from Guderian, this has to go.
And give a date for when that happened. Readers will be totally clueless that it took a subsequent redeployment and offensive (Fall Rot) to finish off the French.
The original invasion plan Fall Gelb (Case Yellow) had fallen into French hands by chance through the Mechelen incident. The incident contributed to the French executing the Dyle Plan, moving most of their forces north to Belgium and leaving the Ardennes lightly defended. However, the Germans subsequently changed their plan. This should be moved to the beginning of the 1st para to explain the evolution of the German attack planning because the way its written right now, the reader has no clue that Manstein wasn't the architect of the original Fall Gelb plan.
I think this makes sense here as one of the reasons for France's rapid defeat and explains how the German army became over-confident for Barbarossa.
K.e.coffman (
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02:25, 15 September 2019 (UTC)reply
As currently structured, the reader has no idea why the Manstein Plan shifted forces south to attack through the Ardennes. The original invasion plan Fall Gelb (Case Yellow) had fallen into French hands by chance through the Mechelen incident. This sentence, reinforced by the date of the incident and a brief explanation, should open the section on the Battle of France, then go into all the planning changes and Guderian's advocacy. Split the paragraph when combat starts. The Battle of Arras stuff and the drive on Dunkirk is good, but the reader still has no idea that Guderian's forces redeployed for
Fall Rot, which article you should read to understand what was involved, and then attacked with the goal of advancing to the Swiss border. Then comes the overconfidence para with a quick reference to the Mechelen Incident.--
Sturmvogel 66 (
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00:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Sorry I missed that. I removed the middle part of this paragraph (The original invasion plan...), so it now goes from the defeat of France to generals getting over-confident. I don't think there's a need to get into the invasion plans at this point, since the material is covered at the top of the section. --
K.e.coffman (
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04:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Hitler and his generals became over-confident after their historic victory,[47] and came to believe they could defeat the Soviet Union, a country with significantly more industrial capacity, manpower and resources. This should be tied into the reasons for the Allied defeat and how the Germans misunderstood the lessons from that victory.
took control of the 2nd Panzer Group He didn't take control of anything. He was assigned/appointed command of the group. And link 2nd Panzer Group through 2nd Panzer Army
I'm not sure that I trust Seaton about the decision making in turning south. What does Stahel's book on the Battle of Kiev say about it? Or Vol IV of Germany and the Second World War? And Vol. 2 of Glantz's book on the Battle of Smolensk has some useful insights and conclusions about the decision-making.
Aside from the film, what did he do after dealing with the plotters? OKH had responsibility for the Eastern Front, so how did he respond to the various Soviet offensives?
The estate covered an area of 2,000 acres (810 ha) and it was located at Deipenhof (now Głębokie, Poland) in the Warthegau area of occupied Poland. The occupants had been evicted.[97] The property was worth 1.24 million Reichsmarks. Awkward, combine some of these.
he ordered the advance on Gross-Klonia at night and through fog, leading to what he described as "serious casualties" There's a confusion of pronouns in this half-sentence
Despite the attention focused on mechanised warfare, the majority of German forces marched into Poland on foot and transported their supplies by horse-drawn vehicles; only 14 of the 54 divisions involved were mechanized This should be paired with the sentence about the amount of AFVs that Guderian controlled in the campaign. It's too short to stand on its own and breaks the flow of this section.
The invasion of Poland was ferocious. The German military killed thousands of civilians awkward and actually irrelevant as that is common in war. Unless you can tie these civilian deaths to orders from Guderian, this has to go.
And give a date for when that happened. Readers will be totally clueless that it took a subsequent redeployment and offensive (Fall Rot) to finish off the French.
The original invasion plan Fall Gelb (Case Yellow) had fallen into French hands by chance through the Mechelen incident. The incident contributed to the French executing the Dyle Plan, moving most of their forces north to Belgium and leaving the Ardennes lightly defended. However, the Germans subsequently changed their plan. This should be moved to the beginning of the 1st para to explain the evolution of the German attack planning because the way its written right now, the reader has no clue that Manstein wasn't the architect of the original Fall Gelb plan.
I think this makes sense here as one of the reasons for France's rapid defeat and explains how the German army became over-confident for Barbarossa.
K.e.coffman (
talk)
02:25, 15 September 2019 (UTC)reply
As currently structured, the reader has no idea why the Manstein Plan shifted forces south to attack through the Ardennes. The original invasion plan Fall Gelb (Case Yellow) had fallen into French hands by chance through the Mechelen incident. This sentence, reinforced by the date of the incident and a brief explanation, should open the section on the Battle of France, then go into all the planning changes and Guderian's advocacy. Split the paragraph when combat starts. The Battle of Arras stuff and the drive on Dunkirk is good, but the reader still has no idea that Guderian's forces redeployed for
Fall Rot, which article you should read to understand what was involved, and then attacked with the goal of advancing to the Swiss border. Then comes the overconfidence para with a quick reference to the Mechelen Incident.--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk)
00:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Sorry I missed that. I removed the middle part of this paragraph (The original invasion plan...), so it now goes from the defeat of France to generals getting over-confident. I don't think there's a need to get into the invasion plans at this point, since the material is covered at the top of the section. --
K.e.coffman (
talk)
04:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Hitler and his generals became over-confident after their historic victory,[47] and came to believe they could defeat the Soviet Union, a country with significantly more industrial capacity, manpower and resources. This should be tied into the reasons for the Allied defeat and how the Germans misunderstood the lessons from that victory.
took control of the 2nd Panzer Group He didn't take control of anything. He was assigned/appointed command of the group. And link 2nd Panzer Group through 2nd Panzer Army
I'm not sure that I trust Seaton about the decision making in turning south. What does Stahel's book on the Battle of Kiev say about it? Or Vol IV of Germany and the Second World War? And Vol. 2 of Glantz's book on the Battle of Smolensk has some useful insights and conclusions about the decision-making.
Aside from the film, what did he do after dealing with the plotters? OKH had responsibility for the Eastern Front, so how did he respond to the various Soviet offensives?
The estate covered an area of 2,000 acres (810 ha) and it was located at Deipenhof (now Głębokie, Poland) in the Warthegau area of occupied Poland. The occupants had been evicted.[97] The property was worth 1.24 million Reichsmarks. Awkward, combine some of these.