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This article is about the portage on the international border on the canoe route from Grand Portage to Rainy Lake. There are a number of other Height of Land Portages, including:
There may be others. As height of land is a term for a divide, any portage crossing a divide could be called by the same name. As articles on these others are added we should discuss how we want to handle disambiguation. Kablammo 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
BTW, nice work on this article, Kablammo. The article states:
According to the Canada/US International Boundary Commission Ontario has 2700 km of water boundary with the United States and only 1 km of land boundary;[4] 40% of the land border is along this portage.
The reference is this IBC pdf. Thinking about the border, 1 km is in the ballpark, although it sounds a little short, unless every swamp and flowage on the border is counted as water. Portages on the US-Ontario border without rivers adjacent to them include Watap Portage from Mountain to Watap Lake (100 rods), Height of Land (80 rods), Monument Portage from Swamp to Ottertrack lakes (80 rods), and Beatty Portage from Lac La Croix to Loon (50 rods). That makes 310 rods which equals 1.56 km. I realize the border does not match up with these portages exactly. The low precision of the quoted statistic (2700/1 are obviously very rounded numbers) makes me a little uneasy with the resulting calculation of Height of Land's share of the land border. Using my numbers, I get 26%. -- BlueCanoe 02:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I have now found an acceptable source for the assertion that there are only 3 portages constituting the land boundary along the Minnesota border; for the rest of Ontario's U.S. border we will have to rely common knowledge (obvious at least to anyone who looks at a map). The text names the other two portages, but I have preferred the historical name Swamp Portage to Monument Portage while mentioning both names for the crossing. As you ( BlueCanoe) noted, the IBC estimate of 1 km is too low, but not by much. I have however deleted the 1 km figure and instead used the totals given by your source. As that source (comprehensive though it is) is on a family-run website, it may be preferable to find another source. Kablammo 14:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I second BlueCanoe's reversion of the removal of rods as the unit of measure, I almost did it myself. They are the common units for that. The reverted change also had accuracy problems under the way those are used. 80 rods indicates (and is exactly) 1/4 mile. North8000 ( talk) 12:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
No locator map? Sca ( talk) 19:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
The article as I wrote it asserts that the portage is on the divide between the Atlantic and the Arctic Oceans. There is a dispute as to whether Hudson Bay is in the Arctic or Atlantic watershed, a dispute reflected in several of Wikipedia's articles. Ways to address the question could be by explanatory text or (better) an explanatory footnote, or ignoring the issue and just assert that the watershed north of the divide is in the Hudson Bay watershed (which Vergangenheitsbewältigung's edit did).
I am indifferent as to the mode of addressing it, as we will not solve the question on Wikipedia, and for our purposes it does not matter.
— (Pinging Vergangenheitsbewältigung and North8000.) Kablammo ( talk) 16:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
If there is a dispute about the Hudson Bay's watershed, then perhaps the map on the Laurentian Divide page needs to be reconsidered. That's where I drew my conclusions in my edit. I don't know that a footnote in this article helps much; it would probably belong on the Hudson Bay page. Vergangenheitsbewältigung ( talk) 16:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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This article is about the portage on the international border on the canoe route from Grand Portage to Rainy Lake. There are a number of other Height of Land Portages, including:
There may be others. As height of land is a term for a divide, any portage crossing a divide could be called by the same name. As articles on these others are added we should discuss how we want to handle disambiguation. Kablammo 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
BTW, nice work on this article, Kablammo. The article states:
According to the Canada/US International Boundary Commission Ontario has 2700 km of water boundary with the United States and only 1 km of land boundary;[4] 40% of the land border is along this portage.
The reference is this IBC pdf. Thinking about the border, 1 km is in the ballpark, although it sounds a little short, unless every swamp and flowage on the border is counted as water. Portages on the US-Ontario border without rivers adjacent to them include Watap Portage from Mountain to Watap Lake (100 rods), Height of Land (80 rods), Monument Portage from Swamp to Ottertrack lakes (80 rods), and Beatty Portage from Lac La Croix to Loon (50 rods). That makes 310 rods which equals 1.56 km. I realize the border does not match up with these portages exactly. The low precision of the quoted statistic (2700/1 are obviously very rounded numbers) makes me a little uneasy with the resulting calculation of Height of Land's share of the land border. Using my numbers, I get 26%. -- BlueCanoe 02:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I have now found an acceptable source for the assertion that there are only 3 portages constituting the land boundary along the Minnesota border; for the rest of Ontario's U.S. border we will have to rely common knowledge (obvious at least to anyone who looks at a map). The text names the other two portages, but I have preferred the historical name Swamp Portage to Monument Portage while mentioning both names for the crossing. As you ( BlueCanoe) noted, the IBC estimate of 1 km is too low, but not by much. I have however deleted the 1 km figure and instead used the totals given by your source. As that source (comprehensive though it is) is on a family-run website, it may be preferable to find another source. Kablammo 14:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I second BlueCanoe's reversion of the removal of rods as the unit of measure, I almost did it myself. They are the common units for that. The reverted change also had accuracy problems under the way those are used. 80 rods indicates (and is exactly) 1/4 mile. North8000 ( talk) 12:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
No locator map? Sca ( talk) 19:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
The article as I wrote it asserts that the portage is on the divide between the Atlantic and the Arctic Oceans. There is a dispute as to whether Hudson Bay is in the Arctic or Atlantic watershed, a dispute reflected in several of Wikipedia's articles. Ways to address the question could be by explanatory text or (better) an explanatory footnote, or ignoring the issue and just assert that the watershed north of the divide is in the Hudson Bay watershed (which Vergangenheitsbewältigung's edit did).
I am indifferent as to the mode of addressing it, as we will not solve the question on Wikipedia, and for our purposes it does not matter.
— (Pinging Vergangenheitsbewältigung and North8000.) Kablammo ( talk) 16:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
If there is a dispute about the Hudson Bay's watershed, then perhaps the map on the Laurentian Divide page needs to be reconsidered. That's where I drew my conclusions in my edit. I don't know that a footnote in this article helps much; it would probably belong on the Hudson Bay page. Vergangenheitsbewältigung ( talk) 16:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)