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NB: I believe that the new DNB gives Verity's date of death erroneously, as 31st August! Loganberry 16:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Why the "See also: Brian Close" link at the end of the article? The reason isn't immediately apparent. JH 20:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
The article is exceptionally pro Verity with 0 citations to explain these statements. I have removed some of the most rediculous, like the uncited statement that leaving him out was "the selecting mistake of the century" and so on. There are numerous others which need to be removed if they can't be cited. SGGH speak! 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this section because it does not comply with WP:MOS and it presents a personal point of view (i.e., WP:NPOV), rather than documenting a verifiable stated opinion within a secondary source. You cannot just say that you have watched British Pathe, or a match on TV for that matter, and then express views like "Verity bowled off a trotted ten yard run, essentially straight to the wicket, and pivoted in his bowling stride" or "he is shown as closer to Derek Underwood in pace than Bishen Bedi" or "slip often stood quite deep". Does the source actually say these things? If comments like these about the player's style are to be included, they must be verified to written statements in a secondary source.
Furthermore, the person who introduced the section has been told several times about following site guidelines and especially about the need for verifiable sources. ---- Jack | talk page 04:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Hedley Verity's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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As usual the prose is of pretty good quality: I could happily pass this for GA as it stands, but given that I'm sure you'll want to take it onto FA, I'll provide a more detailed and picky review for you!
Right, that's as far as I've got so far: as I said at the top, great work as usual! I'll try and get the rest done over the next couple of days: although from your contributions, it doesn't look like you are around at the moment anyway. No rush to get back to this, I'll hold for as long as you need. Harrias talk 19:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
That's the whole article: lovely work, and an easy pass once these issues are resolved. Harrias talk 13:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
The BBC have published a good article Hedley Verity: Ashes legend who died for his country -- Racklever ( talk) 18:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Fascinating bio. Really well written and interesting. I have learnt something. Congratulations to the writers, particularly Sarastro1. Giano 11:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
A few examples from the first sections:
Never someone who spun the ball sharply, he achieved success through the accuracy of his bowling.
1. What that hell is this sentence?
On pitches which made batting difficult, particularly ones affected by rain, he could be almost impossible to bat against.
2. "he could be almost impossible to bat against". Needs more puffery, e.g. "he was Jesus"
3. "affected by rain" wikilinked. How incredibly useful. The pitch was wet?
His first season was not a success but, after moving clubs, he began to make a name for himself.
4. "he began to make a name for himself." That just sounds stupid.
Rain had damaged the pitch, making it difficult to bat against spinners.
5. Wet pitch wikilinked again? Th4n3r ( talk) 17:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Having been away for a while, I just looked at the recent changes to this article. The edit history mentions "links consolidated". In actual fact, this has taken very specific references, where facts are cited to a page where they can be verified, and replaced them with the form "pp. 13–31", which is not much help if verifying a single fact found for example on p. 18. Perhaps the links could be merged in places, but doing it this way is not good practice for any article. Certainly not for a FA. While I'm not particularly one who thinks "Keep your hands of the FAs!!!", this seems to have gone much too far. Therefore, I've reverted to the previous form (Sorry if anything got lost in the process), but feel free to discuss here further. Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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NB: I believe that the new DNB gives Verity's date of death erroneously, as 31st August! Loganberry 16:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Why the "See also: Brian Close" link at the end of the article? The reason isn't immediately apparent. JH 20:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
The article is exceptionally pro Verity with 0 citations to explain these statements. I have removed some of the most rediculous, like the uncited statement that leaving him out was "the selecting mistake of the century" and so on. There are numerous others which need to be removed if they can't be cited. SGGH speak! 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this section because it does not comply with WP:MOS and it presents a personal point of view (i.e., WP:NPOV), rather than documenting a verifiable stated opinion within a secondary source. You cannot just say that you have watched British Pathe, or a match on TV for that matter, and then express views like "Verity bowled off a trotted ten yard run, essentially straight to the wicket, and pivoted in his bowling stride" or "he is shown as closer to Derek Underwood in pace than Bishen Bedi" or "slip often stood quite deep". Does the source actually say these things? If comments like these about the player's style are to be included, they must be verified to written statements in a secondary source.
Furthermore, the person who introduced the section has been told several times about following site guidelines and especially about the need for verifiable sources. ---- Jack | talk page 04:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Hedley Verity's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "tbat":
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Harrias talk 07:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
As usual the prose is of pretty good quality: I could happily pass this for GA as it stands, but given that I'm sure you'll want to take it onto FA, I'll provide a more detailed and picky review for you!
Right, that's as far as I've got so far: as I said at the top, great work as usual! I'll try and get the rest done over the next couple of days: although from your contributions, it doesn't look like you are around at the moment anyway. No rush to get back to this, I'll hold for as long as you need. Harrias talk 19:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
That's the whole article: lovely work, and an easy pass once these issues are resolved. Harrias talk 13:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
The BBC have published a good article Hedley Verity: Ashes legend who died for his country -- Racklever ( talk) 18:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Fascinating bio. Really well written and interesting. I have learnt something. Congratulations to the writers, particularly Sarastro1. Giano 11:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
A few examples from the first sections:
Never someone who spun the ball sharply, he achieved success through the accuracy of his bowling.
1. What that hell is this sentence?
On pitches which made batting difficult, particularly ones affected by rain, he could be almost impossible to bat against.
2. "he could be almost impossible to bat against". Needs more puffery, e.g. "he was Jesus"
3. "affected by rain" wikilinked. How incredibly useful. The pitch was wet?
His first season was not a success but, after moving clubs, he began to make a name for himself.
4. "he began to make a name for himself." That just sounds stupid.
Rain had damaged the pitch, making it difficult to bat against spinners.
5. Wet pitch wikilinked again? Th4n3r ( talk) 17:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Having been away for a while, I just looked at the recent changes to this article. The edit history mentions "links consolidated". In actual fact, this has taken very specific references, where facts are cited to a page where they can be verified, and replaced them with the form "pp. 13–31", which is not much help if verifying a single fact found for example on p. 18. Perhaps the links could be merged in places, but doing it this way is not good practice for any article. Certainly not for a FA. While I'm not particularly one who thinks "Keep your hands of the FAs!!!", this seems to have gone much too far. Therefore, I've reverted to the previous form (Sorry if anything got lost in the process), but feel free to discuss here further. Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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