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For some time now there's been a tag atop the article questioning the lead section. I actually don't think it is too bad, although I have some thoughts on the first paragraph. Here they are:
I have been working on some alternative language (supported by reliable sources) and I can share that soon. Meantime, for editors who have this page watchlisted, I'd be interested in hearing if you have any other thoughts on what might be wrong with this lede. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
A hedge fund is a pooled investment vehicle administered by a professional management firm, and often structured as a limited partnership or limited liability company. [1] [2] Hedge funds invest in a diverse range of markets, and use a wide variety of investment styles and financial instruments. [2] Though they are privately owned and operated, hedge funds are subject to the regulatory restrictions of their respective countries. [3] U.S. regulations, for example, limit hedge fund participation to certain classes of investors (see accredited investors, [3] qualified purchasers) and also limit the total number of investors allowed in the fund.
References
Some points:
John, you've got some strong ideas – why don't you throw together a draft intro for the rest of us to consider? Wildfowl ( talk) 22:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
A hedge fund is a pooled investment vehicle administered by a professional management firm, and often structured as a limited partnership, limited liability company, or similar vehicle. [1] [2] They are usually distinguished from private equity funds, which use the more illiquid investment strategies associated with private equity. Hedge funds invest in a diverse range of markets and use a wide variety of investment styles and financial instruments. [2] The name "hedge fund" refers to the hedging techniques traditionally used by hedge funds, but hedge funds today do not necessarily hedge. [3] Hedge funds usually are structured to minimize regulatory oversight; they are made available only to certain sophisticated or accredited investors and cannot be offered or sold to the general public. [3]
References
John and Wildfowl, thank you for the responses. I wonder if simply rearranging the clauses and including a bit more detail would be a good compromise? François-Serge Lhabitant's Handbook of Hedge Funds—which is currently cited nine times within the article—offers a good summary of structure and regulation on the first page of chapter 3. We could combine that language with the current Lins et al source to say the following:
Does this work? Let me know what you think, and apologies once again on my delayed response. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:42, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Recent edits have changed the description of hedge funds in the lead from "pooled investment vehicles" to "collective investment schemes." It's true that we need to change the name of the "collective investment scheme" article. In the meantime, however, this article is written in American English, which is appropriate, because hedge funds are primarily an American phenomenon. They should not be described as "collective investment schemes," which is esoteric and pejorative in American English. I would be open to calling them something other than "pooled investment vehicles." Strictly speaking, they are a flavor of "private investment companies" or "private funds." John M Baker ( talk) 19:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
User 76.102.125.93 added in " Withdraw holding: No major withdraw within 90 days prior of initial launch from brokerage. Trading may still be in effect, but funds cannot be removed or withdrawn from brokerage." to the list in subsection "Relative value" under section "Strategies". I did not understand this and thought it was a mistake, so I removed it. Please correct me if I am wrong. Wildfowl ( talk) 21:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
not sure how to write a section properly with references, so im adding it to the talk page
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hedge-your-bets.html
"The verb 'to hedge' derives from the noun hedge, that is, a fence made from a row of bushes or trees. These hedges were normally made from the spiny Hawthorn, which makes an impenetrable hedge when laid. To hedge a piece of land was to limit it in terms of size and that this gave rise to the 'secure, limited risk' meaning. Hedge funds, much in the news nowadays, take their name from their method of limiting, that is, hedging, their risk."
although limiting risk may not be the primary goal, according to http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge-fund-manager.asp
"Hedge funds can be considered high risk because they pursue aggressive investment strategies and are less regulated than many other types of investments."
Magicalbendini ( talk) 14:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Per my edit summary, I reject Investopedia as RS for anything more than simple definitions of financial terms. There will always be better RS references than Investopedia and much of the current text concerning hedging is unverified and weasel-worded. What does "short the market" mean? Funds trade specific positions. The early hedge funds attempted to balance equal amounts of long and short exposure. SPECIFICO talk 00:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Link number 11 is dead,
Ismail, Netty (21 February 2011). "Institutions Damp Hedge Fund 'Startup Spirit,' Citi's Roe Says". Bloomberg Businessweek. Retrieved 11 March 2011.
When I clicked on this, Bloomberg said the article was no longer available.
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For some time now there's been a tag atop the article questioning the lead section. I actually don't think it is too bad, although I have some thoughts on the first paragraph. Here they are:
I have been working on some alternative language (supported by reliable sources) and I can share that soon. Meantime, for editors who have this page watchlisted, I'd be interested in hearing if you have any other thoughts on what might be wrong with this lede. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
A hedge fund is a pooled investment vehicle administered by a professional management firm, and often structured as a limited partnership or limited liability company. [1] [2] Hedge funds invest in a diverse range of markets, and use a wide variety of investment styles and financial instruments. [2] Though they are privately owned and operated, hedge funds are subject to the regulatory restrictions of their respective countries. [3] U.S. regulations, for example, limit hedge fund participation to certain classes of investors (see accredited investors, [3] qualified purchasers) and also limit the total number of investors allowed in the fund.
References
Some points:
John, you've got some strong ideas – why don't you throw together a draft intro for the rest of us to consider? Wildfowl ( talk) 22:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
A hedge fund is a pooled investment vehicle administered by a professional management firm, and often structured as a limited partnership, limited liability company, or similar vehicle. [1] [2] They are usually distinguished from private equity funds, which use the more illiquid investment strategies associated with private equity. Hedge funds invest in a diverse range of markets and use a wide variety of investment styles and financial instruments. [2] The name "hedge fund" refers to the hedging techniques traditionally used by hedge funds, but hedge funds today do not necessarily hedge. [3] Hedge funds usually are structured to minimize regulatory oversight; they are made available only to certain sophisticated or accredited investors and cannot be offered or sold to the general public. [3]
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John and Wildfowl, thank you for the responses. I wonder if simply rearranging the clauses and including a bit more detail would be a good compromise? François-Serge Lhabitant's Handbook of Hedge Funds—which is currently cited nine times within the article—offers a good summary of structure and regulation on the first page of chapter 3. We could combine that language with the current Lins et al source to say the following:
Does this work? Let me know what you think, and apologies once again on my delayed response. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:42, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Recent edits have changed the description of hedge funds in the lead from "pooled investment vehicles" to "collective investment schemes." It's true that we need to change the name of the "collective investment scheme" article. In the meantime, however, this article is written in American English, which is appropriate, because hedge funds are primarily an American phenomenon. They should not be described as "collective investment schemes," which is esoteric and pejorative in American English. I would be open to calling them something other than "pooled investment vehicles." Strictly speaking, they are a flavor of "private investment companies" or "private funds." John M Baker ( talk) 19:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
User 76.102.125.93 added in " Withdraw holding: No major withdraw within 90 days prior of initial launch from brokerage. Trading may still be in effect, but funds cannot be removed or withdrawn from brokerage." to the list in subsection "Relative value" under section "Strategies". I did not understand this and thought it was a mistake, so I removed it. Please correct me if I am wrong. Wildfowl ( talk) 21:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
not sure how to write a section properly with references, so im adding it to the talk page
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hedge-your-bets.html
"The verb 'to hedge' derives from the noun hedge, that is, a fence made from a row of bushes or trees. These hedges were normally made from the spiny Hawthorn, which makes an impenetrable hedge when laid. To hedge a piece of land was to limit it in terms of size and that this gave rise to the 'secure, limited risk' meaning. Hedge funds, much in the news nowadays, take their name from their method of limiting, that is, hedging, their risk."
although limiting risk may not be the primary goal, according to http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge-fund-manager.asp
"Hedge funds can be considered high risk because they pursue aggressive investment strategies and are less regulated than many other types of investments."
Magicalbendini ( talk) 14:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Per my edit summary, I reject Investopedia as RS for anything more than simple definitions of financial terms. There will always be better RS references than Investopedia and much of the current text concerning hedging is unverified and weasel-worded. What does "short the market" mean? Funds trade specific positions. The early hedge funds attempted to balance equal amounts of long and short exposure. SPECIFICO talk 00:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Link number 11 is dead,
Ismail, Netty (21 February 2011). "Institutions Damp Hedge Fund 'Startup Spirit,' Citi's Roe Says". Bloomberg Businessweek. Retrieved 11 March 2011.
When I clicked on this, Bloomberg said the article was no longer available.
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