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According to this, at least some people believe Havila is in Africa, and is the original homeland of the Tutsi. Tom e r talk 23:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Where does the claimed translation "Stretch of Sand" for the name come from? According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, the name means "Circular"; no mention of "stretch" and no mention of "sand". I am putting in the Strong's translation with reference. If it gets changed back to "stretch of sand", please provide a neutral (unbiased) reference. In fact, most of the rest of the information is lacking proper reference. Corjay ( talk) 22:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The article lacks references and the one article it did reference, "The Pishon River--Found!", is also lacking references and its conclusions are questionable. The article refers to "some scholars" and "many scholars", but references only one, and it is that scholar alone that should be referenced by the Wikipedia Havilah article. Corjay ( talk) 22:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by page mover) Sky Warrior 03:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Havilah → Havilah (Bible) – There are several other meanings, it is not clear that this is primary. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
User:Kikolio, you've recently re-added the statement:
The Haar region also known as Bahrain is thought to obtain its name due to Cush Havilah colonialism.
The citation is to Michael Rice, in his The Archaeology of the Arabian Gulf. On what page, and in what words, does Michael Rice support this claim? Alephb ( talk) 06:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
He does not endorse any views, he just mentions other explanations."Forster argues further that it is the received opinion in this country (the modern province of Haar or Bahrain) derived its scriptual name and primitive colonization from the Cushite Havileh. The Pison of Genesis ensclosed this land, which was the name for the branch of the Euphrates, that ran parallel to the Gulf and fell into the Bahrain Islands. He contends that a direct proof of this region having borne the name of Havileh is supplied in Aval, a name retained for the larger island of Bahrain". Kikolio ( talk) 07:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
"According to Michael Rice, Forster believed the Haar region also known as Bahrain is thought to obtain its name due to Cush Havilah colonialism." Does this suffice? The article is already small it shouldnt be an issue to include various opinions, after all section says possible locations. Historians do not even take biblical Havilah as real rather imaginary. If you still feel it shouldnt be included then you can remove it. Kikolio ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
What do you think about this source published by university of chicago on the blue nile? p.22-23 [3] Kikolio ( talk) 09:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes we have an agreement, my concerns were just about blanking without adjusting the wordings or referencing the sources from the "root" as you suggested above. Kikolio ( talk) 08:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
User:Alephb Can you please include the Blue Nile being linked to Havilah in the article per the sources I provided? Thanks. Kikolio ( talk) 00:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
In the end of last ice age, the sea level was lower and there was no sea between Africa, The Arabian Peninsula and the middle east. Thus using a map of today for an ancient place is not correct in the placement location of river that is most likely under water. Telecine Guy ( talk) 21:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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According to this, at least some people believe Havila is in Africa, and is the original homeland of the Tutsi. Tom e r talk 23:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Where does the claimed translation "Stretch of Sand" for the name come from? According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, the name means "Circular"; no mention of "stretch" and no mention of "sand". I am putting in the Strong's translation with reference. If it gets changed back to "stretch of sand", please provide a neutral (unbiased) reference. In fact, most of the rest of the information is lacking proper reference. Corjay ( talk) 22:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The article lacks references and the one article it did reference, "The Pishon River--Found!", is also lacking references and its conclusions are questionable. The article refers to "some scholars" and "many scholars", but references only one, and it is that scholar alone that should be referenced by the Wikipedia Havilah article. Corjay ( talk) 22:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by page mover) Sky Warrior 03:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Havilah → Havilah (Bible) – There are several other meanings, it is not clear that this is primary. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
User:Kikolio, you've recently re-added the statement:
The Haar region also known as Bahrain is thought to obtain its name due to Cush Havilah colonialism.
The citation is to Michael Rice, in his The Archaeology of the Arabian Gulf. On what page, and in what words, does Michael Rice support this claim? Alephb ( talk) 06:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
He does not endorse any views, he just mentions other explanations."Forster argues further that it is the received opinion in this country (the modern province of Haar or Bahrain) derived its scriptual name and primitive colonization from the Cushite Havileh. The Pison of Genesis ensclosed this land, which was the name for the branch of the Euphrates, that ran parallel to the Gulf and fell into the Bahrain Islands. He contends that a direct proof of this region having borne the name of Havileh is supplied in Aval, a name retained for the larger island of Bahrain". Kikolio ( talk) 07:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
"According to Michael Rice, Forster believed the Haar region also known as Bahrain is thought to obtain its name due to Cush Havilah colonialism." Does this suffice? The article is already small it shouldnt be an issue to include various opinions, after all section says possible locations. Historians do not even take biblical Havilah as real rather imaginary. If you still feel it shouldnt be included then you can remove it. Kikolio ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
What do you think about this source published by university of chicago on the blue nile? p.22-23 [3] Kikolio ( talk) 09:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes we have an agreement, my concerns were just about blanking without adjusting the wordings or referencing the sources from the "root" as you suggested above. Kikolio ( talk) 08:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
User:Alephb Can you please include the Blue Nile being linked to Havilah in the article per the sources I provided? Thanks. Kikolio ( talk) 00:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
In the end of last ice age, the sea level was lower and there was no sea between Africa, The Arabian Peninsula and the middle east. Thus using a map of today for an ancient place is not correct in the placement location of river that is most likely under water. Telecine Guy ( talk) 21:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)