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ok im reading page 12 and im seeing nothing remotley having to do with hava nagilah or ukranian origin,page 12 talks about temple instruments —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.61.243 ( talk) 15:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the connection with the Roma community? Are there any references? Why irreligious? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.104.198 ( talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Possibly that the Serbian Roma brass band legend Boban Marković was one of the many musicians who have recorded it? Just a guess--probably wrong. The chicken and the egg could easily be swapped here. 192.88.158.211 ( talk) 20:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Attempted clean-up. It's an improvement from what was before, but if anyone has other ideas, please edit away or leave me a suggestion on my talk page. JFHJr ( ㊟) 16:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Hava Nagila (like the article title says)? Hava Nagilah (like the first paragraph says)? Havah Nagilah (like the lyrics say)? I realize it comes down to difference in transcription, but can't we be consistent? 69.140.12.199 07:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Because the Hebrew ends in a ה I think the English should end in an "H" 71.198.6.204 ( talk) 19:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
The Parody's section of "Hava Nagila" doesn't mention Allan Sherman's parody "Harvey and Sheila" (1962-ish). This is probably the first and most famous parody version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sherman
http://users.bestweb.net/~foosie/sherman.htm
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Allan-Sherman/Harvey-And-Sheila.html
http://www.amazon.com/My-Son-Greatest-Allan-Sherman/dp/B00000348Q/sr=8-1/qid=1167924836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2960954-8891623?ie=UTF8&s=music —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk) 15:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
Since the text is in modern Hebrew I have hard to believe that it was written to celebrate a British victory. Is there really no evidence for it before 1918? According to “Judisk Krönika” number 1/2007 (or number 1/5767 if you want) it was written in Jerusalem in 1910. The music teacher Abraham Zevi Idelsohn asked his students to write a text to the traditional tune. The twelve-year-old boy named Moshe Nathanson came up with the text now in common use. “Judisk Krönika” is a magazine by and for Swedish Jews. No, I am no Jew myself! I got the magazine from a neighbour who recently joined Judaism.
2007-03-04 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
Jo Anne Worley's parody is quite funny. It is probably translatable to Swedish too. But what does she mean with a “nagila”? Maybe some type of cookie? Israeli “rejoice” cookies... (laugh)
2007-03-07 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
I recall a similar parody done by Buddy Hackett some time in the 1960's where he sang "hava nagila, have two nagila, have three nagila, there's plenny more." (Plenny being a colloquial pronunciation of "plenty" but I couldn't give you any exact references (dates, broadcasts, etc.) -- Rudbekia 12:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement as to the origin of the tune. Is it ancient? Even if it appears in a work by Saint-Saens, that deosn't mean he did not use an existing melody. A quick Google tends to indicate that there are varying views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.177.244 ( talk) 21:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I have heard ukrainian song with same melody but text something like: "это танец солнце и огня" (this is dance of sun and fire) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.118.205.130 ( talk) 08:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph, "In popular culture, it is used as a metonym for Zionism" needs either citations or maybe removal. When has the song ever been used that way? Surely it can't be, for example "in 1948 Zionism's central aim was achieved" would not make sense as "in 1948 Hava Nagila's central aim was achieved". 87.80.97.137 ( talk) 19:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Should it be noted that Moshe Nathanson wrote the lyrics? It's said here http://savethemusic.com/bin/archives.cgi?q=bio&id=Moshe+Nathanson and in the Spanish Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.172.249.10 ( talk) 23:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted that HN is often heard at sports events around the world, even where Judaism is not the main religion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaizun ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The chart under the Olympics heading - what does it mean? — Preceding
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Wondering if it would be appropriate to add this article to Category:Drinking songs? -- œ ™ 19:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
guys seriously, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHdr4rWG98 is an Anthrax music video. Plz fix, thx! 67.188.32.123 ( talk) 03:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC) peter
Just listened to Twisted Sister's "O Come All Ye Faithful" off Twisted Christmas and we'd swear the ending guitar wind-down sounds like Hava Nagila. Can the more musically inclined confirm? Listen to the video on YouTube; Hava Nagila starts at 5:39. Complex.confusion ( talk) 19:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
At the begin of the 20th century, the majority of people in Bukovina were Romanians. Bukovina was a province of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Bukovina has joined Romania in 1918, but the northern half of the province was lost for Romania, according with the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty, after the WW2. Hava Nagila is associated with "hora", a Romanian traditional dance. This shows once more the Romanian origin of this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.61.4 ( talk) 11:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the song is written in the Harmonic minor key of A? -- 201.172.183.94 ( talk) 22:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Previous discourse taken from
Galassi's talk page see
Hava Nagila and Ajax
Hello Galassi, regarding your reverting some recent changes that I had made to the Hava Nagila page. I have provided a good reference from a New York Times article stating exactly that which is stated. I can add plenty more references, which I will do now shortly to solidify it even more. Those other Olympic events in the same sports section have no references whatsoever, I think some citation tags for those events might be called for. The fact is that AFC Ajax have strong ties to Jewish symbolism, due to the fact that Amsterdam was a Mokum city, and Ajax played in a Jewish neighborhood for quite a while in Amsterdam. This is a very common song often heard in the Amsterdam Arena, and is definitely noteworthy in terms of usage in Sports. I seriously doubt it is used anywhere more then in Amsterdam. Sincerely, (
Subzzee (
talk)
01:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I would like to invite other members of the community to comment on said changes; See Before changes User Galassi has reverted the changes several times over, without offering much of an explanation as to why, and we have reached a point in our disagreement which I feel requires some assistance in order to find a resolution. Thank you in advance for your participation. Regards, ( Subzzee ( talk) 21:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC))
Hi all, I am a Part - time volunteer from the Dispute resolution noticeboard. I am facing some problems with the references for Tottenham Hotspur. While the sources quoted for Ajax clearly state what has been quoted from these articles (Google translate helped here with two articles), the sources quoted for are either leading to a page unavailable scenario on Google Books or is leading to a paid subscription page of FT, which leads to these sources being questionable at best. There is the larger question raised by Galassi ( talk · contribs) about the suitability of these references in view of the article. While the sources quoted above clearly show the importance of Jewish Culture w.r.t. the football clubs, it does not indicate how that could be significant for the article about the song. For example the national anthem of a country may have been played at various occasions including such as an Olympics Victory, at a political rally and again in a Football Club match but surely not every occasion added something significant to the history of the song and hence, needs to be stated in a Wikipedia article about the song. One or two historic renditions should be enough. While the removal of content is always controversial, it might also condense the article and make it more interesting to read. Any opinion on this track would be helpful.-- Wikishagnik ( talk) 15:50, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELME ABOUT, HOW OLD IS THE SONG HAVA NAGILA,....???? THANK YOU, VERY MUCH., SAL ESQUIVEL elreka1@gmail.com cel, 011521-661-527-7339 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.250.156.230 ( talk) 15:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
These were prompted by review of Hava Nagila (The Movie), a citation which has now been added, which supported 2-3 sentences that were heretofore unreferenced. Even so, the Origins section remains a largely unreferenced, as does the section listing all the productions of the piece, and so a tag was added to the article noting that until it is better sourced, it is not encyclopedic. Le Prof 71.201.62.200 ( talk) 02:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
What is the purpose of § Olympic sports? There's no explanation whatever.
Now, seeing that all but one of the entries is listed with Sport as either Figure skating, Gymnastics, or Rhythmic gymnastics, it's a pretty good bet that these athletes have used "Hava Nagila" in their routines. But what the Sam Hill is a footballer (US: soccer player) doing in there? And in any case, a decent encyclopedia doesn't leave its users to guess.
I'm crossposting this note to the three projects that have expressed interest in this page: Songs, Jewish culture, and Judaism. Thnidu ( talk) 01:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I actually added a list of figure skaters and gymnasts who've used it in their performances [1] and it was not me who named the section "Olympic sports". -- Երևանցի talk 19:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Hasapiko Samizambak ( talk) 15:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Same song, different recording, per WP:NSONGS Richhoncho ( talk) 20:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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https://www.amazon.com/Hava-Nagila-Live-Single-B-Side/dp/B006MVV424
Hava Nagila (Live Single B-Side - 1997) Ben Folds Five From the Album Vault Volume I (1992-1997) December 23, 2011
—- Jo3sampl ( talk) 04:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
The article claims. "Note: The "ḥ" should[citation needed] preferably be pronounced as a voiceless pharyngeal fricative [ħ] (as in classical Hebrew) rather than a voiceless uvular fricative [χ], as "ch" as in Bach (modern Hebrew pronunciation)."
Well why? Other than the preference of the author of this statement. Indeed many of us pronounce our classical Hebrew 'het' as the ch in Bach. Alan3278 ( talk) 22:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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ok im reading page 12 and im seeing nothing remotley having to do with hava nagilah or ukranian origin,page 12 talks about temple instruments —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.61.243 ( talk) 15:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the connection with the Roma community? Are there any references? Why irreligious? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.104.198 ( talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Possibly that the Serbian Roma brass band legend Boban Marković was one of the many musicians who have recorded it? Just a guess--probably wrong. The chicken and the egg could easily be swapped here. 192.88.158.211 ( talk) 20:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Attempted clean-up. It's an improvement from what was before, but if anyone has other ideas, please edit away or leave me a suggestion on my talk page. JFHJr ( ㊟) 16:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Hava Nagila (like the article title says)? Hava Nagilah (like the first paragraph says)? Havah Nagilah (like the lyrics say)? I realize it comes down to difference in transcription, but can't we be consistent? 69.140.12.199 07:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Because the Hebrew ends in a ה I think the English should end in an "H" 71.198.6.204 ( talk) 19:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
The Parody's section of "Hava Nagila" doesn't mention Allan Sherman's parody "Harvey and Sheila" (1962-ish). This is probably the first and most famous parody version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sherman
http://users.bestweb.net/~foosie/sherman.htm
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Allan-Sherman/Harvey-And-Sheila.html
http://www.amazon.com/My-Son-Greatest-Allan-Sherman/dp/B00000348Q/sr=8-1/qid=1167924836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2960954-8891623?ie=UTF8&s=music —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk) 15:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
Since the text is in modern Hebrew I have hard to believe that it was written to celebrate a British victory. Is there really no evidence for it before 1918? According to “Judisk Krönika” number 1/2007 (or number 1/5767 if you want) it was written in Jerusalem in 1910. The music teacher Abraham Zevi Idelsohn asked his students to write a text to the traditional tune. The twelve-year-old boy named Moshe Nathanson came up with the text now in common use. “Judisk Krönika” is a magazine by and for Swedish Jews. No, I am no Jew myself! I got the magazine from a neighbour who recently joined Judaism.
2007-03-04 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
Jo Anne Worley's parody is quite funny. It is probably translatable to Swedish too. But what does she mean with a “nagila”? Maybe some type of cookie? Israeli “rejoice” cookies... (laugh)
2007-03-07 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
I recall a similar parody done by Buddy Hackett some time in the 1960's where he sang "hava nagila, have two nagila, have three nagila, there's plenny more." (Plenny being a colloquial pronunciation of "plenty" but I couldn't give you any exact references (dates, broadcasts, etc.) -- Rudbekia 12:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement as to the origin of the tune. Is it ancient? Even if it appears in a work by Saint-Saens, that deosn't mean he did not use an existing melody. A quick Google tends to indicate that there are varying views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.177.244 ( talk) 21:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I have heard ukrainian song with same melody but text something like: "это танец солнце и огня" (this is dance of sun and fire) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.118.205.130 ( talk) 08:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph, "In popular culture, it is used as a metonym for Zionism" needs either citations or maybe removal. When has the song ever been used that way? Surely it can't be, for example "in 1948 Zionism's central aim was achieved" would not make sense as "in 1948 Hava Nagila's central aim was achieved". 87.80.97.137 ( talk) 19:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Should it be noted that Moshe Nathanson wrote the lyrics? It's said here http://savethemusic.com/bin/archives.cgi?q=bio&id=Moshe+Nathanson and in the Spanish Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.172.249.10 ( talk) 23:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted that HN is often heard at sports events around the world, even where Judaism is not the main religion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaizun ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The chart under the Olympics heading - what does it mean? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.125.208.94 (
talk)
01:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Wondering if it would be appropriate to add this article to Category:Drinking songs? -- œ ™ 19:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
guys seriously, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHdr4rWG98 is an Anthrax music video. Plz fix, thx! 67.188.32.123 ( talk) 03:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC) peter
Just listened to Twisted Sister's "O Come All Ye Faithful" off Twisted Christmas and we'd swear the ending guitar wind-down sounds like Hava Nagila. Can the more musically inclined confirm? Listen to the video on YouTube; Hava Nagila starts at 5:39. Complex.confusion ( talk) 19:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
At the begin of the 20th century, the majority of people in Bukovina were Romanians. Bukovina was a province of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Bukovina has joined Romania in 1918, but the northern half of the province was lost for Romania, according with the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty, after the WW2. Hava Nagila is associated with "hora", a Romanian traditional dance. This shows once more the Romanian origin of this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.61.4 ( talk) 11:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the song is written in the Harmonic minor key of A? -- 201.172.183.94 ( talk) 22:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Previous discourse taken from
Galassi's talk page see
Hava Nagila and Ajax
Hello Galassi, regarding your reverting some recent changes that I had made to the Hava Nagila page. I have provided a good reference from a New York Times article stating exactly that which is stated. I can add plenty more references, which I will do now shortly to solidify it even more. Those other Olympic events in the same sports section have no references whatsoever, I think some citation tags for those events might be called for. The fact is that AFC Ajax have strong ties to Jewish symbolism, due to the fact that Amsterdam was a Mokum city, and Ajax played in a Jewish neighborhood for quite a while in Amsterdam. This is a very common song often heard in the Amsterdam Arena, and is definitely noteworthy in terms of usage in Sports. I seriously doubt it is used anywhere more then in Amsterdam. Sincerely, (
Subzzee (
talk)
01:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I would like to invite other members of the community to comment on said changes; See Before changes User Galassi has reverted the changes several times over, without offering much of an explanation as to why, and we have reached a point in our disagreement which I feel requires some assistance in order to find a resolution. Thank you in advance for your participation. Regards, ( Subzzee ( talk) 21:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC))
Hi all, I am a Part - time volunteer from the Dispute resolution noticeboard. I am facing some problems with the references for Tottenham Hotspur. While the sources quoted for Ajax clearly state what has been quoted from these articles (Google translate helped here with two articles), the sources quoted for are either leading to a page unavailable scenario on Google Books or is leading to a paid subscription page of FT, which leads to these sources being questionable at best. There is the larger question raised by Galassi ( talk · contribs) about the suitability of these references in view of the article. While the sources quoted above clearly show the importance of Jewish Culture w.r.t. the football clubs, it does not indicate how that could be significant for the article about the song. For example the national anthem of a country may have been played at various occasions including such as an Olympics Victory, at a political rally and again in a Football Club match but surely not every occasion added something significant to the history of the song and hence, needs to be stated in a Wikipedia article about the song. One or two historic renditions should be enough. While the removal of content is always controversial, it might also condense the article and make it more interesting to read. Any opinion on this track would be helpful.-- Wikishagnik ( talk) 15:50, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELME ABOUT, HOW OLD IS THE SONG HAVA NAGILA,....???? THANK YOU, VERY MUCH., SAL ESQUIVEL elreka1@gmail.com cel, 011521-661-527-7339 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.250.156.230 ( talk) 15:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
These were prompted by review of Hava Nagila (The Movie), a citation which has now been added, which supported 2-3 sentences that were heretofore unreferenced. Even so, the Origins section remains a largely unreferenced, as does the section listing all the productions of the piece, and so a tag was added to the article noting that until it is better sourced, it is not encyclopedic. Le Prof 71.201.62.200 ( talk) 02:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
What is the purpose of § Olympic sports? There's no explanation whatever.
Now, seeing that all but one of the entries is listed with Sport as either Figure skating, Gymnastics, or Rhythmic gymnastics, it's a pretty good bet that these athletes have used "Hava Nagila" in their routines. But what the Sam Hill is a footballer (US: soccer player) doing in there? And in any case, a decent encyclopedia doesn't leave its users to guess.
I'm crossposting this note to the three projects that have expressed interest in this page: Songs, Jewish culture, and Judaism. Thnidu ( talk) 01:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I actually added a list of figure skaters and gymnasts who've used it in their performances [1] and it was not me who named the section "Olympic sports". -- Երևանցի talk 19:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Hasapiko Samizambak ( talk) 15:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Same song, different recording, per WP:NSONGS Richhoncho ( talk) 20:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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https://www.amazon.com/Hava-Nagila-Live-Single-B-Side/dp/B006MVV424
Hava Nagila (Live Single B-Side - 1997) Ben Folds Five From the Album Vault Volume I (1992-1997) December 23, 2011
—- Jo3sampl ( talk) 04:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
The article claims. "Note: The "ḥ" should[citation needed] preferably be pronounced as a voiceless pharyngeal fricative [ħ] (as in classical Hebrew) rather than a voiceless uvular fricative [χ], as "ch" as in Bach (modern Hebrew pronunciation)."
Well why? Other than the preference of the author of this statement. Indeed many of us pronounce our classical Hebrew 'het' as the ch in Bach. Alan3278 ( talk) 22:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)