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It's interesting to see this family background. Great also to see the references! i've added more bibliographic information for the (same) references, including archiving, and i've rewritten the section based on the references and the following thoughts.
i hope this explains my edits. Boud ( talk) 20:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
There were a few recent 12:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC) edits related to Talk:Muhammad/FAQ.
A quote from the above list of frequently asked questions (FAQ) is:
Question 4: Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?
Answer 4:
It is recommended to remove all honorifics, such as The Prophet, (The) Holy Prophet, ( pbuh), or (saw), that precede or follow Muhammad's name. This is because many editors consider such honorifics as promoting an Islamic point of view instead of a neutral point of view which Wikipedia is required to maintain. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) also recommends against the use of titles or honorifics, such as Prophet, unless it is the simplest and most neutral way to deal with disambiguation. When disambiguation is necessary, the recommended form is the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Please click on Talk:Muhammad/FAQ and follow the links to understand the discussions and reasoning behind this. If you wish to change this manual of style recommendation, then please discuss this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles. Wikipedia guidelines are not set in stone - they are the result of reasoned and informed (and sometimes not so informed or reasoned!) discussion, and can change when someone presents new information or better reasoning. Boud ( talk) 12:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I've done a restructure, dividing al-Fassi's academic career from her activist career. While we can easily imagine or find sourced claims of relations between the two, we do need some way of making the page more structured, and in principle, academic research and teaching of women's history are distinct from direct activism related to present-day women's rights issues. Making a claim about what women's rights were in ancient Nabataea is distinct from saying what women's rights should be today. Boud ( talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I've transferred this list of media contacts here, since it doesn't make much sense directly in the article itself:
If it is true that al-Fassi has had all these media contacts, then most of the recent, online media should be usable as sources for the main content of this article.
It seems to me that the fact (presuming it's true) that al-Fassi has had all these media contacts is not really interesting in itself. (In fact, it could even be considered as somewhat derogatory, because it could seem to say that all she does is to contact the media, and that what she actually says to the media is less important than the fact that she is in contact with them.)
In my humble opinion, it would be more encyclopedic to use some of al-Fassi's interviews (with online text records) to give more material for her academic and/or activist career - which is more complimentary than the fact that she managed to be interviewed. Boud ( talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
TODO: Here's a Guardian article with several interesting pieces of info that could be used at several points in the article - it seems to be from 2005, although The Guardian doesn't seem to think that writing dates inside the html content of articles is useful: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,,1416731,00.html Boud ( talk) 20:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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It's interesting to see this family background. Great also to see the references! i've added more bibliographic information for the (same) references, including archiving, and i've rewritten the section based on the references and the following thoughts.
i hope this explains my edits. Boud ( talk) 20:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
There were a few recent 12:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC) edits related to Talk:Muhammad/FAQ.
A quote from the above list of frequently asked questions (FAQ) is:
Question 4: Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?
Answer 4:
It is recommended to remove all honorifics, such as The Prophet, (The) Holy Prophet, ( pbuh), or (saw), that precede or follow Muhammad's name. This is because many editors consider such honorifics as promoting an Islamic point of view instead of a neutral point of view which Wikipedia is required to maintain. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) also recommends against the use of titles or honorifics, such as Prophet, unless it is the simplest and most neutral way to deal with disambiguation. When disambiguation is necessary, the recommended form is the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Please click on Talk:Muhammad/FAQ and follow the links to understand the discussions and reasoning behind this. If you wish to change this manual of style recommendation, then please discuss this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles. Wikipedia guidelines are not set in stone - they are the result of reasoned and informed (and sometimes not so informed or reasoned!) discussion, and can change when someone presents new information or better reasoning. Boud ( talk) 12:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I've done a restructure, dividing al-Fassi's academic career from her activist career. While we can easily imagine or find sourced claims of relations between the two, we do need some way of making the page more structured, and in principle, academic research and teaching of women's history are distinct from direct activism related to present-day women's rights issues. Making a claim about what women's rights were in ancient Nabataea is distinct from saying what women's rights should be today. Boud ( talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I've transferred this list of media contacts here, since it doesn't make much sense directly in the article itself:
If it is true that al-Fassi has had all these media contacts, then most of the recent, online media should be usable as sources for the main content of this article.
It seems to me that the fact (presuming it's true) that al-Fassi has had all these media contacts is not really interesting in itself. (In fact, it could even be considered as somewhat derogatory, because it could seem to say that all she does is to contact the media, and that what she actually says to the media is less important than the fact that she is in contact with them.)
In my humble opinion, it would be more encyclopedic to use some of al-Fassi's interviews (with online text records) to give more material for her academic and/or activist career - which is more complimentary than the fact that she managed to be interviewed. Boud ( talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
TODO: Here's a Guardian article with several interesting pieces of info that could be used at several points in the article - it seems to be from 2005, although The Guardian doesn't seem to think that writing dates inside the html content of articles is useful: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,,1416731,00.html Boud ( talk) 20:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)