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I dont really think that is whats meant as part of the scope here? Its about hate crimes outside of the war. nableezy - 20:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
We're now getting some major scope overlap with Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, which is basically replicating much the scope we have here, hate attacks and what not, but POV. Iskandar323 ( talk) 14:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Here's a new report on soldiers and settlers attacking West Bank civilians
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-strip-beat-burn-and-pee-on-palestinians-in-w-bank/ Hovsepig ( talk) 18:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I think we should specify a section on "hate crimes against Israelis by other Israelis" The current section titling creates a bias to think that all the anti-Israeli crimes are done by Hamas or pro-Palestinian people. A nice example to cite is Israel Frey
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-15/ty-article/.premium/far-right-israelis-threaten-attack-journalist-who-dedicated-a-prayer-to-gaza-victims/0000018b-3434-d450-a3af-7d3ccb9d0000 Hovsepig ( talk) 18:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Multiple outlets are reporting on the stabbing death of a Synagogue leader in Detroit - Samantha Wolf. The motive is not currently reported but figured it may be included later depending on the resulting investigation. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/us/detroit-synagogue-stabbing-samantha-woll.html Leaky.Solar ( talk) 15:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
A hate crime is a legal term, and its definition varies by jurisdiction. We should not include any event here unless there has been a conviction (or at least an indictment) for a hate crime. Given that has not happened for most events in this article and give that we already have Anti-Palestinianism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, this article should probably be deleted. VR talk 02:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus for it to be moved to Violent incidents in reaction to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war was established below. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans ( talk) 05:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Hate crimes related to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war → Violent crime in reaction to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war – Per several talk page discussions in the sections above this RM, this page needs moving to A) avoid the specific technically defined meaning of 'hate crime', which cannot really be assigned to events without a clear assessment of motives and/or prosecution as such in court (it is also defined differently in different countries), and B) distinguish itself from the scope of the violent crime committed within the course of the main conflict, which are war crimes, as these are covered elsewhere and this page was clearly specifically created to cover the events around the world outside of this. The move is also beneficial in terms of reducing the potential confusion and/or crossover in scope with the other prejudice-oriented pages that have been created in relation to the conflict, i.e.: Anti-Palestinianism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war and Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. It makes sense to cleanly distinguish violent crimes related to the conflict (that may or may not be based on prejudice, and for which the jury is still out) from the broader documentation of the rise in prejudice. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru ( talk) 17:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
This incident was removed because it was "not violent", but it is. According to
Violence, the second definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."
'Nuff said?
Kire1975 (
talk)
00:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Please Add this violent incident that took place in D-Chowk Dharna (in pakistan) where a speeding car over the protestors resulting in 2 deaths and 4 injuries.
References
https://www.brecorder.com/news/40304597
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/2516781/pakistan
[2] Two killed, four injured in Islamabad as car runs over protesters in their sleep - Dawn News
https://propakistani.pk/2024/05/26/military-police-takes-custody-of-army-officer-for-killing-2-pro-palestine-protesters/ اقبال کا شاÛین ( talk) 11:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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I dont really think that is whats meant as part of the scope here? Its about hate crimes outside of the war. nableezy - 20:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
We're now getting some major scope overlap with Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, which is basically replicating much the scope we have here, hate attacks and what not, but POV. Iskandar323 ( talk) 14:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Here's a new report on soldiers and settlers attacking West Bank civilians
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-strip-beat-burn-and-pee-on-palestinians-in-w-bank/ Hovsepig ( talk) 18:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I think we should specify a section on "hate crimes against Israelis by other Israelis" The current section titling creates a bias to think that all the anti-Israeli crimes are done by Hamas or pro-Palestinian people. A nice example to cite is Israel Frey
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-15/ty-article/.premium/far-right-israelis-threaten-attack-journalist-who-dedicated-a-prayer-to-gaza-victims/0000018b-3434-d450-a3af-7d3ccb9d0000 Hovsepig ( talk) 18:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Multiple outlets are reporting on the stabbing death of a Synagogue leader in Detroit - Samantha Wolf. The motive is not currently reported but figured it may be included later depending on the resulting investigation. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/us/detroit-synagogue-stabbing-samantha-woll.html Leaky.Solar ( talk) 15:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
A hate crime is a legal term, and its definition varies by jurisdiction. We should not include any event here unless there has been a conviction (or at least an indictment) for a hate crime. Given that has not happened for most events in this article and give that we already have Anti-Palestinianism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, this article should probably be deleted. VR talk 02:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus for it to be moved to Violent incidents in reaction to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war was established below. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans ( talk) 05:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Hate crimes related to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war → Violent crime in reaction to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war – Per several talk page discussions in the sections above this RM, this page needs moving to A) avoid the specific technically defined meaning of 'hate crime', which cannot really be assigned to events without a clear assessment of motives and/or prosecution as such in court (it is also defined differently in different countries), and B) distinguish itself from the scope of the violent crime committed within the course of the main conflict, which are war crimes, as these are covered elsewhere and this page was clearly specifically created to cover the events around the world outside of this. The move is also beneficial in terms of reducing the potential confusion and/or crossover in scope with the other prejudice-oriented pages that have been created in relation to the conflict, i.e.: Anti-Palestinianism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war and Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. It makes sense to cleanly distinguish violent crimes related to the conflict (that may or may not be based on prejudice, and for which the jury is still out) from the broader documentation of the rise in prejudice. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru ( talk) 17:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
This incident was removed because it was "not violent", but it is. According to
Violence, the second definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."
'Nuff said?
Kire1975 (
talk)
00:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Please Add this violent incident that took place in D-Chowk Dharna (in pakistan) where a speeding car over the protestors resulting in 2 deaths and 4 injuries.
References
https://www.brecorder.com/news/40304597
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/2516781/pakistan
[2] Two killed, four injured in Islamabad as car runs over protesters in their sleep - Dawn News
https://propakistani.pk/2024/05/26/military-police-takes-custody-of-army-officer-for-killing-2-pro-palestine-protesters/ اقبال کا شاÛین ( talk) 11:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)