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Diab was hired by Carleton University AND engaged in teaching a course in Introduction to Sociology when, after a terse press-release from B'nai Brith, he was terminated within hours of the press release.
Read the articles, read the press release, read the responses by CAUT and the Globe&Mail Opinion piece. The termination was a DIRECT result of the B'nai Brith press release, not the revelation that he was teaching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
If the statements from the Crown were easier to insert without them appearing to be editorialized, they would be here. I, however, have a difficult time creating "objective" insertions of Crown arguments due to the methods used by the Crown and the following chastisements from the presiding judge; one cannot be given without the other. If you can discern a way to do so, have at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The reader may draw their own conclusion as to the relevance of B'nai Brith's Press release. The fact is, it was issued related to Diab's teaching contract. The reader can draw their own conclusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Additional reference: article included University replaces accused professor http://www.nationalpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=1838537
Synagogue Bombing
Joanne Chianello and Andrew Seymour, Canwest News Service Published: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 AFP, Getty Images Files A 1980 bomb attack on a Paris synagogue killed four people. The Ottawa university professor accused of killing four people in the 1980 bombing of a Paris synagogue will not be returning to work. Hassan Diab's lawyer told a court on Monday that his client had expected to resume teaching a sociology class this week at Carleton University. But in a terse statement released yesterday afternoon, the university said that a full-time faculty member "will immediately replace the current instructor, Hassan Diab." The move was being made to provide students "with a stable, productive academic environment that is conducive to learning," the statement said. It said there would be no further comment on the matter by the university. Mr. Diab, 55, had been given a contract to teach two days a week until the middle of August. B'nai Brith, the influential Jewish group, had harshly criticized the university for hiring Mr. Diab. The Toronto-based national office of B'nai Brith issued a statement condemning Carlton's actions, while an Ottawa-based member of the group telephoned the university directly to complain. "The university did the right thing," B'nai Brith's executive vice-president, Frank Dimant, said yesterday of Carleton's about-face in not allowing Mr. Diab to teach. Mr. Dimant said it was "inconceivable" that Mr. Diab, who is awaiting a Jan. 4, 2010, extradition hearing under strict bail conditions -- including wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet -- would be allowed to be in direct contact with young people. Mr. Diab, 55, was born in Lebanon, but obtained Canadian citizenship in 1993. He has led a fairly nomadic life, living in six different countries over 12 years. He has left behind a string of marriages, divorces and common-law relationships and has fathered two children over the past two decades. In 2006, Mr. Diab married Rania Tfaily in a religious ceremony that was not legally binding. Ms. Tfaily is a professor in Carleton's sociology and anthropology department, while Mr. Diab has taught at the University of Ottawa and, more recently, at Carleton. Although the couple was not living together at the time of Mr. Diab's arrest in November Mr. Diab must live with Ms. Tfaily as one of his many bail conditions. (She has told the court that, although she doesn't love him, she believes he is innocent.) Mr. Diab is accused of the 1980 bombing of the Rue Copernic synagogue in Paris. In addition to killing four people, the bombing injured scores of others and led to the fortification of Jewish sites around the world. No one claimed responsibility, but the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-Special Operations (PFLP-SO) was later blamed. Mr. Diab was arrested on Nov. 13, 2008, by the RCMP at the request of French authorities who allege Mr. Diab resembles police sketches of the synagogue bomber; his handwriting matches that of the bomber; he has been identified by intelligence sources and former friends as having been a member of the PFLP; and his Lebanese passport, which he reported stolen, was used to get into France at about the time of the 1980 bombing. Mr. Diab and Ms. Tfaily were in court in Ottawa on Monday to determine what items seized during RCMP raids of Ms. Tfaily's condo and her Carleton office can be sent to French officials as potential evidence in their case against Mr. Diab. Mr. Diab and Ms. Tfaily intend to argue that the RCMP searches were unlawful and the seized items should not be sent to France.
Other problems with the edit are WP:UNDUEWEIGHT given to the defense case. Finally, Wikipedia is not a newspaper meant to record the daily blow-by-blow of testimony. -- CliffC ( talk) 04:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Regarding undue weight. "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint." The reports are as they stand. Chris Cobb, the reporter has covered both sides, this is material is as reported and is QUOTED.
The point that Wikipedia is NOT A NEWSPAPER has been addressed by another previously: "This page has no merit to belong on Wikidpedia. This page is constantly being changed as newpaper articles are released. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. This page is in violation of the rules/standards of "Biographies of Living Persons." Please refer to it. Romona 16:24, 7 September 2009" This has done nothing to stop the vandalism begun, and continuing, from the Computer Center of Room 200, Burnside Hall, McGill University, Montreal. The page became a newspaper report the moment is was started and has continued to be one throughout it's duration. Should opposing/diametric viewpoints be published, you will find them added; until then? The page is as it stands and I will continue to return the material to that which is reported by the court reporters for acknowledged publications such as Chris Cobb of the Ottawa Citizen, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi, "dual citizenship" could mean "Canadian and Lebanese citizenship". Could equally well mean "Canadian and USA citizenship". The ambiguity should be removed. Regards, ... PeterEasthope ( talk) 13:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Because he's been convicted (regardless of what anyone might think of it) and because his notability stems from the charges of which he has now been convicted (not his being a sociologist), it may be time to consider moving the disambiguation term from "sociologist" to "criminal", "bomber", or "terrorist", etc. Whatever is consistent with other such cases. If the conviction is ever overturned, it can always be moved back. Alternately, the page could be disambiguated by adding his middle name. Bueller 007 ( talk) 18:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I think for Hassan Diab, we have to recognize, first of all, that what happened to him never should have happenedwhen speaking of the extradition and his detention in France for years without charges. [1] So this just isn't a straightforward conviction, it is one that has been second guessed by judges, NGOs, and PMs. I am not sure we should brush that aside to say he did it just because a French court decided so without him there for the trial. I think due weight requires us to note that he has been convicted, he maintains his innocence and to point to the complex nature of the case. The RS don't seem to be writing this as he did this, instead noting that he was convicted and noting all of the complexities and the fact that the legal process is ongoing. Why should we say in our voice that he did? Shouldn't we follow what RS are saying, not just take the word of a "Western" court as the arbiter of truth?-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 22:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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Diab was hired by Carleton University AND engaged in teaching a course in Introduction to Sociology when, after a terse press-release from B'nai Brith, he was terminated within hours of the press release.
Read the articles, read the press release, read the responses by CAUT and the Globe&Mail Opinion piece. The termination was a DIRECT result of the B'nai Brith press release, not the revelation that he was teaching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
If the statements from the Crown were easier to insert without them appearing to be editorialized, they would be here. I, however, have a difficult time creating "objective" insertions of Crown arguments due to the methods used by the Crown and the following chastisements from the presiding judge; one cannot be given without the other. If you can discern a way to do so, have at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The reader may draw their own conclusion as to the relevance of B'nai Brith's Press release. The fact is, it was issued related to Diab's teaching contract. The reader can draw their own conclusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Additional reference: article included University replaces accused professor http://www.nationalpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=1838537
Synagogue Bombing
Joanne Chianello and Andrew Seymour, Canwest News Service Published: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 AFP, Getty Images Files A 1980 bomb attack on a Paris synagogue killed four people. The Ottawa university professor accused of killing four people in the 1980 bombing of a Paris synagogue will not be returning to work. Hassan Diab's lawyer told a court on Monday that his client had expected to resume teaching a sociology class this week at Carleton University. But in a terse statement released yesterday afternoon, the university said that a full-time faculty member "will immediately replace the current instructor, Hassan Diab." The move was being made to provide students "with a stable, productive academic environment that is conducive to learning," the statement said. It said there would be no further comment on the matter by the university. Mr. Diab, 55, had been given a contract to teach two days a week until the middle of August. B'nai Brith, the influential Jewish group, had harshly criticized the university for hiring Mr. Diab. The Toronto-based national office of B'nai Brith issued a statement condemning Carlton's actions, while an Ottawa-based member of the group telephoned the university directly to complain. "The university did the right thing," B'nai Brith's executive vice-president, Frank Dimant, said yesterday of Carleton's about-face in not allowing Mr. Diab to teach. Mr. Dimant said it was "inconceivable" that Mr. Diab, who is awaiting a Jan. 4, 2010, extradition hearing under strict bail conditions -- including wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet -- would be allowed to be in direct contact with young people. Mr. Diab, 55, was born in Lebanon, but obtained Canadian citizenship in 1993. He has led a fairly nomadic life, living in six different countries over 12 years. He has left behind a string of marriages, divorces and common-law relationships and has fathered two children over the past two decades. In 2006, Mr. Diab married Rania Tfaily in a religious ceremony that was not legally binding. Ms. Tfaily is a professor in Carleton's sociology and anthropology department, while Mr. Diab has taught at the University of Ottawa and, more recently, at Carleton. Although the couple was not living together at the time of Mr. Diab's arrest in November Mr. Diab must live with Ms. Tfaily as one of his many bail conditions. (She has told the court that, although she doesn't love him, she believes he is innocent.) Mr. Diab is accused of the 1980 bombing of the Rue Copernic synagogue in Paris. In addition to killing four people, the bombing injured scores of others and led to the fortification of Jewish sites around the world. No one claimed responsibility, but the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-Special Operations (PFLP-SO) was later blamed. Mr. Diab was arrested on Nov. 13, 2008, by the RCMP at the request of French authorities who allege Mr. Diab resembles police sketches of the synagogue bomber; his handwriting matches that of the bomber; he has been identified by intelligence sources and former friends as having been a member of the PFLP; and his Lebanese passport, which he reported stolen, was used to get into France at about the time of the 1980 bombing. Mr. Diab and Ms. Tfaily were in court in Ottawa on Monday to determine what items seized during RCMP raids of Ms. Tfaily's condo and her Carleton office can be sent to French officials as potential evidence in their case against Mr. Diab. Mr. Diab and Ms. Tfaily intend to argue that the RCMP searches were unlawful and the seized items should not be sent to France.
Other problems with the edit are WP:UNDUEWEIGHT given to the defense case. Finally, Wikipedia is not a newspaper meant to record the daily blow-by-blow of testimony. -- CliffC ( talk) 04:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Regarding undue weight. "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint." The reports are as they stand. Chris Cobb, the reporter has covered both sides, this is material is as reported and is QUOTED.
The point that Wikipedia is NOT A NEWSPAPER has been addressed by another previously: "This page has no merit to belong on Wikidpedia. This page is constantly being changed as newpaper articles are released. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. This page is in violation of the rules/standards of "Biographies of Living Persons." Please refer to it. Romona 16:24, 7 September 2009" This has done nothing to stop the vandalism begun, and continuing, from the Computer Center of Room 200, Burnside Hall, McGill University, Montreal. The page became a newspaper report the moment is was started and has continued to be one throughout it's duration. Should opposing/diametric viewpoints be published, you will find them added; until then? The page is as it stands and I will continue to return the material to that which is reported by the court reporters for acknowledged publications such as Chris Cobb of the Ottawa Citizen, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Freeze ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi, "dual citizenship" could mean "Canadian and Lebanese citizenship". Could equally well mean "Canadian and USA citizenship". The ambiguity should be removed. Regards, ... PeterEasthope ( talk) 13:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Because he's been convicted (regardless of what anyone might think of it) and because his notability stems from the charges of which he has now been convicted (not his being a sociologist), it may be time to consider moving the disambiguation term from "sociologist" to "criminal", "bomber", or "terrorist", etc. Whatever is consistent with other such cases. If the conviction is ever overturned, it can always be moved back. Alternately, the page could be disambiguated by adding his middle name. Bueller 007 ( talk) 18:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I think for Hassan Diab, we have to recognize, first of all, that what happened to him never should have happenedwhen speaking of the extradition and his detention in France for years without charges. [1] So this just isn't a straightforward conviction, it is one that has been second guessed by judges, NGOs, and PMs. I am not sure we should brush that aside to say he did it just because a French court decided so without him there for the trial. I think due weight requires us to note that he has been convicted, he maintains his innocence and to point to the complex nature of the case. The RS don't seem to be writing this as he did this, instead noting that he was convicted and noting all of the complexities and the fact that the legal process is ongoing. Why should we say in our voice that he did? Shouldn't we follow what RS are saying, not just take the word of a "Western" court as the arbiter of truth?-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 22:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)