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He also translated and edited a new version of "democracy in america" with his wife.
I removed this section from the main article until such time that someone produces a notable academic source (not some guys blog) that has criticized Professor Mansfield's position on the extra-legal powers of the President. Professor Mansfield is a well respected professor with a large body of work, and I see no reason to single this article out for debate other than pure partisanship, which is not what Wikipedia biographies are supposed to be about. MoodyGroove 01:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
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Does anyone know where I can get a transcript? MoodyGroove 03:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
On tone, the section of the article that contained the word "tyranny" in the title maintained NPOV throughout. Would be nice if we had a cleaner way to work the words "lawlessness and tyranny" into the header, though. The term was used to more accurately describe Greenwald's accusation. On a related note, the OpinionJournal site simply republishes print editorials from the Wall Street Journal, and the linked article is Mansfield's editorial from the 2nd. Clarifying ref. MrZaius talk 13:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the misunderstanding, MrZaius. I meant Salon.com. I'm still digesting the article. MoodyGroove 14:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
I removed this section from the article:
It may all be true, but it's unsourced and appears to be original research and contains synthesis. I will try to improve and expand it with the links provided. In the meantime I would encourage the author to add citations and remove speculation like "Mansfield must have been thick-skinned" and so on. MoodyGroove 13:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
Why are the books listed at the top of this article? It is the nearly universal practice to list an author's publications at the end of wikipedia articles. If anyone can adduce a reason for this idiosyncracy, I'm happy to leave it as is, but otherwise I'll change it in the next few days.-- 147.9.203.104 ( talk) 20:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm not sure this section has the correct heading. Mansfield's academic postings aren't "personal background" at all.
Secondly, Mansfield spent two years in the early 1960s on the faculty at the University of California at Berkeley, as indicated here. That needs to be indicated somewhere in the article.
Finally, his marriage to Delba Winthrop was his second. His first wife, whose name escapes me at the moment (particularly embarrassing since I worked for her one summer in college) was the mother of his two children, Will Mansfield (who was actually a roommate of mine in college and who is now an economist) and Mary C. Mansfield, a very promising young historian of medieval France who, along with her mother and husband were killed in 1989 in an automobile accident.-- BenA ( talk) 12:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
And, after all, isn't he dead for about a month and a half? —Preceding
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I added mention of Harvey C. Mansfield [Sr] as his father, but the link on Harvey C. Mansfield redirects to Jr. A disambiguation page is needed, which I don't know how to do. jawhitzn ( talk) 16:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
His "real" grading system does seem to be controversial with students, etc., but the other two views listed-- a strong executive and gender roles-- don't appear to be on the same level of controversy as to merit inclusion in a "Controversies" section. The strong executive position is held by many people and according to the article, was only criticized by one commenter-- more citations/criticism are needed to indicate this is actually talked about as controversial. There is no criticism listed under the gender roles section or any indication this is controversial at all. It needs to be updated or split into two sections, one for the grades and one for the other views.-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 08:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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It seems that controversy around this topic seems to ignore a salient fact that makes the rise in grades predictable, understandable and justified at a place like Harvard is that, notwithstanding affirmative action, there has been an increase in the scholastic qualifications of students admitted to high end institutions like Harvard, Stanford and MIT in recent decades, with in some years 75% of the entering class having had perfect scores on their SATs. Thus it makes sense that the student body would have disproportionately higher marks than students attending colleges of a lesser caliber or Harvard students from a bygone era where a significant number were rich kids of mediocre academic achievement who focused on their social lives in clubs catering to their own, paying scant attention to their studies and being gratuitously awarded "Gentleman Cs" as a result. And of course viewed objectively, which can be harder to measure in the more amorphous ares of the humanities, a "curve" is manifestly unfair if it does not correspond to what students' achievement actually is. Thus if every student in a math class answers every question on a test correctly then they all should receive a top grade. As with professional athletes and astronauts, excellence among all should be considered a basic qualification for retention and mediocrity should be viewed with disfavor; a student body of overachievers with mostly A grades should be a source of pride. So I don't think Harvard has anything to apologize for; the curve was executed in the highly competitive admissions process. Tom Cod ( talk) 21:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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He also translated and edited a new version of "democracy in america" with his wife.
I removed this section from the main article until such time that someone produces a notable academic source (not some guys blog) that has criticized Professor Mansfield's position on the extra-legal powers of the President. Professor Mansfield is a well respected professor with a large body of work, and I see no reason to single this article out for debate other than pure partisanship, which is not what Wikipedia biographies are supposed to be about. MoodyGroove 01:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
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Does anyone know where I can get a transcript? MoodyGroove 03:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
On tone, the section of the article that contained the word "tyranny" in the title maintained NPOV throughout. Would be nice if we had a cleaner way to work the words "lawlessness and tyranny" into the header, though. The term was used to more accurately describe Greenwald's accusation. On a related note, the OpinionJournal site simply republishes print editorials from the Wall Street Journal, and the linked article is Mansfield's editorial from the 2nd. Clarifying ref. MrZaius talk 13:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the misunderstanding, MrZaius. I meant Salon.com. I'm still digesting the article. MoodyGroove 14:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
I removed this section from the article:
It may all be true, but it's unsourced and appears to be original research and contains synthesis. I will try to improve and expand it with the links provided. In the meantime I would encourage the author to add citations and remove speculation like "Mansfield must have been thick-skinned" and so on. MoodyGroove 13:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
Why are the books listed at the top of this article? It is the nearly universal practice to list an author's publications at the end of wikipedia articles. If anyone can adduce a reason for this idiosyncracy, I'm happy to leave it as is, but otherwise I'll change it in the next few days.-- 147.9.203.104 ( talk) 20:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm not sure this section has the correct heading. Mansfield's academic postings aren't "personal background" at all.
Secondly, Mansfield spent two years in the early 1960s on the faculty at the University of California at Berkeley, as indicated here. That needs to be indicated somewhere in the article.
Finally, his marriage to Delba Winthrop was his second. His first wife, whose name escapes me at the moment (particularly embarrassing since I worked for her one summer in college) was the mother of his two children, Will Mansfield (who was actually a roommate of mine in college and who is now an economist) and Mary C. Mansfield, a very promising young historian of medieval France who, along with her mother and husband were killed in 1989 in an automobile accident.-- BenA ( talk) 12:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
And, after all, isn't he dead for about a month and a half? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
83.175.191.56 (
talk)
21:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I added mention of Harvey C. Mansfield [Sr] as his father, but the link on Harvey C. Mansfield redirects to Jr. A disambiguation page is needed, which I don't know how to do. jawhitzn ( talk) 16:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
His "real" grading system does seem to be controversial with students, etc., but the other two views listed-- a strong executive and gender roles-- don't appear to be on the same level of controversy as to merit inclusion in a "Controversies" section. The strong executive position is held by many people and according to the article, was only criticized by one commenter-- more citations/criticism are needed to indicate this is actually talked about as controversial. There is no criticism listed under the gender roles section or any indication this is controversial at all. It needs to be updated or split into two sections, one for the grades and one for the other views.-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 08:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
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It seems that controversy around this topic seems to ignore a salient fact that makes the rise in grades predictable, understandable and justified at a place like Harvard is that, notwithstanding affirmative action, there has been an increase in the scholastic qualifications of students admitted to high end institutions like Harvard, Stanford and MIT in recent decades, with in some years 75% of the entering class having had perfect scores on their SATs. Thus it makes sense that the student body would have disproportionately higher marks than students attending colleges of a lesser caliber or Harvard students from a bygone era where a significant number were rich kids of mediocre academic achievement who focused on their social lives in clubs catering to their own, paying scant attention to their studies and being gratuitously awarded "Gentleman Cs" as a result. And of course viewed objectively, which can be harder to measure in the more amorphous ares of the humanities, a "curve" is manifestly unfair if it does not correspond to what students' achievement actually is. Thus if every student in a math class answers every question on a test correctly then they all should receive a top grade. As with professional athletes and astronauts, excellence among all should be considered a basic qualification for retention and mediocrity should be viewed with disfavor; a student body of overachievers with mostly A grades should be a source of pride. So I don't think Harvard has anything to apologize for; the curve was executed in the highly competitive admissions process. Tom Cod ( talk) 21:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)