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I propose this should be merged with The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. These two articles cover extremely similar ground, and would be served as one article. -- Nihon? 21:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
This article covers the books, that other article covers the TV series. I think they're better off as two articles, especially since there seem to be people on that other article who haven't read the books presenting wild conjectures as fact and defending them by claiming that the books "have no meaning" there. Omgwtflolz 05:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
While I agree that this is the case, it's still incredibly bad practice to have two articles, partly to prevent inaccurate information added. Most articles have the books and the animated series on one page, too. -- Nihon? 09:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Advantages of merging: all info in one place, cross-referencing of facts, good standard practice. Disadvantages of merging: differences between the two media's versions could get confusing (the anime is based on bits and pieces from various of the novels, but goes under the name of one of the novels); very long page (the amount of info will definitely balloon as the growing number of passionate fans of the anime do such things as translate words on the blackboards).>>On balance, I favor separate pages, because this anime is becoming a cult and the information could become unwieldy on one page. If anyone can propose a way of keeping large amounts of info straight on one page, I'd favor that. -- hashihime
I fail to see how this article, which is about the source material, is redundant. If anything, it's the other article, which is about either one book in the series or the anime, that's redundant. 202.156.6.54 05:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Merging will make the The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya the primary article for this series. Plus, general information (like the 3 organizations pertaining to Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki) about the series can be held here. KyuuA4 07:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Not Merge. Based on article scope along, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya's scope only covers the first novel of the series and it's many adaptations including the manga and anime. This article is about the source material, and is the main article for the Haruhi Suzumiya series despite The Melancholy page getting more of the attention due to the anime. And the merger I proposed at The Melancholy was to merge the SOS Brigade and Affiliations section into this article because they do not belong within the scope of The Melancholy exactly since they apply to all the books.-- 十 八 08:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The word Kitakou appears in the article text but is not explained. I guess it is a location but I am not sure. Locations are not mentioned here either.
It's a contraction of their school name. Kita = North, kou = high school. Like if you went to North Blahblah High School, you'd call it "NorthHigh" 67.85.24.201 ( talk) 02:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to rename this article to Suzumiya Haruhi (series) instead of the current Suzumiya Haruhi series since the term series is just a designation meant for organization and to lessen confusion between the novel series and the character, Suzumiya Haruhi. Also, the title should be kept in the eastern-style naming convention as defined in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Japan-related_articles)#Names_in_titles. -- Juhachi 18:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
How about using one of the books' covers instead?
Why was the link to the web translation project removed from external links? I think it was a fine resource. (Though I don't want to put it back if it was removed for legal reasons or something.)
It looks like the character descriptions, for example, have been directly copied from the anime page. Because of this, it would require some cleaning up. To a person who's only read the novels, the phrase "as seen in the movie created by (etc)..." would appear odd (for it refers to a character's movements), because...well, I guess you see the point without further explaining. To make it short, take out all the bits of information, that cannot be deduced by reading the novels. Rexas 12:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Surely this article should be called Haruhi Suzumiya (series) to conform with the Japanese Manual of Style (Names)? "If the name in question is a title (i.e., of a book, an award, etc.), the name order within the title itself should not be changed." The book titles on the page all refer to "Haruhi Suzumiya", not "Suzumiya Haruhi". -- Ppk01 16:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Are any of these English titles, aside from Melancholy, official in any sense? If not, they should be noted as such.-- SeizureDog 21:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Look, this has gone on long enough. It's Haruhi Suzumiya. Not Suzumiya Haruhi. Maybe it is, correctly, ordered Suzumiya Haruhi in Japan (although I have yet to see any proof of "Suzumiya Haruhi" being written using the Latin alphabet in any official Japanese Haruhi-related work), but this is the English language Wikipedia, and Japanese names (of people born on or after 1868) should be presented in Western order, or "the official trade name" or "the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world" (c.f. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)). Even if one were to argue that although Haruhi's name is only officially ordered "Haruhi Suzumiya" in Kadokawa/Bandai's USA release and NOT the Japanese original, Haruhi's name is written in Western order on her character CD - an official Japanese work - which is reasonable evidence to prove that Haruhi Suzumiya is the official trade form of the character's name (unless there is proof otherwise). Therefore, as the series itself is named after this character, the name of the article should be Haruhi Suzumiya (series). Or, even better, Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series), to emphasise the fact that the article is about the light novels and not the anime or radio dramas. By all means, use Suzumiya Haruhi within the Nihongo template, but Haruhi Suzumiya is the correct form used in almost every translation thus far, and is the form used throughout Wikipedia - except in the title of this article. For sheer consistence with the rest of Wikipedia, at the very least, this is one of the reasons why this article name must be changed. Thank you for your time. -- Ppk01 23:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE NOT MOVED -- as there was no consensus for the move per discussion below. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Suzumiya Haruhi (series) → Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series) — To conform with the Japanese Manual of Style and the rest of Wikipedia (which uses Haruhi Suzumiya in place of Suzumiya Haruhi), and to distinguish the focus of the article (as opposed to the anime or audio dramas). Please see my above post for more. Ppk01 23:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
In response to Juhachi (十八), the fact that the article focuses on the entire series of light novels requires the use of 'series' in the article title. Another option, however, would be to split this article up into eight separate articles, one for each novel. ( The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel), The Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya etc.) After all, we currently have one article covering both the anime and the novel; wouldn't it be best to transfer the information pertaining to the first novel into its own article (seeing as The Sighs already has its own article)? -- Ppk01 10:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I have discounted the IP address in the survey. This is not an easy one to decide but AFAICT there is no consensus to move the article to "Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series)" because of objections to the word "series". Two of the three conributers to the discussion seem willing to have the page moved to Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel) or Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels) which is what I suggest that Ppk01 moves the article to if this name is less acceptable to him/her. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Given the circumstances, the "series" does seem unnecessary, doesn't it? I had originally thought to put "series" in the title to match with "TV series", but in this case, I agree that Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels) would be better. -- Ppk01 14:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I find it strange how there's no mention of how incredibly popular this series is in Japan. From what I've seen, it's about as crazy as Harry Potter. I don't know where to go about citing for this though.-- SeizureDog 07:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a proposal to make Haruhi into a wikiproject at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Haruhi_Suzumiya If you think you would be interested in it, or if you think it could be a good idea, please sign up. I'm just trying to get an early estimate to see if it stands a chance. Sbloemeke 22:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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I propose this should be merged with The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. These two articles cover extremely similar ground, and would be served as one article. -- Nihon? 21:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
This article covers the books, that other article covers the TV series. I think they're better off as two articles, especially since there seem to be people on that other article who haven't read the books presenting wild conjectures as fact and defending them by claiming that the books "have no meaning" there. Omgwtflolz 05:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
While I agree that this is the case, it's still incredibly bad practice to have two articles, partly to prevent inaccurate information added. Most articles have the books and the animated series on one page, too. -- Nihon? 09:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Advantages of merging: all info in one place, cross-referencing of facts, good standard practice. Disadvantages of merging: differences between the two media's versions could get confusing (the anime is based on bits and pieces from various of the novels, but goes under the name of one of the novels); very long page (the amount of info will definitely balloon as the growing number of passionate fans of the anime do such things as translate words on the blackboards).>>On balance, I favor separate pages, because this anime is becoming a cult and the information could become unwieldy on one page. If anyone can propose a way of keeping large amounts of info straight on one page, I'd favor that. -- hashihime
I fail to see how this article, which is about the source material, is redundant. If anything, it's the other article, which is about either one book in the series or the anime, that's redundant. 202.156.6.54 05:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Merging will make the The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya the primary article for this series. Plus, general information (like the 3 organizations pertaining to Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki) about the series can be held here. KyuuA4 07:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Not Merge. Based on article scope along, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya's scope only covers the first novel of the series and it's many adaptations including the manga and anime. This article is about the source material, and is the main article for the Haruhi Suzumiya series despite The Melancholy page getting more of the attention due to the anime. And the merger I proposed at The Melancholy was to merge the SOS Brigade and Affiliations section into this article because they do not belong within the scope of The Melancholy exactly since they apply to all the books.-- 十 八 08:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The word Kitakou appears in the article text but is not explained. I guess it is a location but I am not sure. Locations are not mentioned here either.
It's a contraction of their school name. Kita = North, kou = high school. Like if you went to North Blahblah High School, you'd call it "NorthHigh" 67.85.24.201 ( talk) 02:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to rename this article to Suzumiya Haruhi (series) instead of the current Suzumiya Haruhi series since the term series is just a designation meant for organization and to lessen confusion between the novel series and the character, Suzumiya Haruhi. Also, the title should be kept in the eastern-style naming convention as defined in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Japan-related_articles)#Names_in_titles. -- Juhachi 18:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
How about using one of the books' covers instead?
Why was the link to the web translation project removed from external links? I think it was a fine resource. (Though I don't want to put it back if it was removed for legal reasons or something.)
It looks like the character descriptions, for example, have been directly copied from the anime page. Because of this, it would require some cleaning up. To a person who's only read the novels, the phrase "as seen in the movie created by (etc)..." would appear odd (for it refers to a character's movements), because...well, I guess you see the point without further explaining. To make it short, take out all the bits of information, that cannot be deduced by reading the novels. Rexas 12:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Surely this article should be called Haruhi Suzumiya (series) to conform with the Japanese Manual of Style (Names)? "If the name in question is a title (i.e., of a book, an award, etc.), the name order within the title itself should not be changed." The book titles on the page all refer to "Haruhi Suzumiya", not "Suzumiya Haruhi". -- Ppk01 16:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Are any of these English titles, aside from Melancholy, official in any sense? If not, they should be noted as such.-- SeizureDog 21:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Look, this has gone on long enough. It's Haruhi Suzumiya. Not Suzumiya Haruhi. Maybe it is, correctly, ordered Suzumiya Haruhi in Japan (although I have yet to see any proof of "Suzumiya Haruhi" being written using the Latin alphabet in any official Japanese Haruhi-related work), but this is the English language Wikipedia, and Japanese names (of people born on or after 1868) should be presented in Western order, or "the official trade name" or "the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world" (c.f. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)). Even if one were to argue that although Haruhi's name is only officially ordered "Haruhi Suzumiya" in Kadokawa/Bandai's USA release and NOT the Japanese original, Haruhi's name is written in Western order on her character CD - an official Japanese work - which is reasonable evidence to prove that Haruhi Suzumiya is the official trade form of the character's name (unless there is proof otherwise). Therefore, as the series itself is named after this character, the name of the article should be Haruhi Suzumiya (series). Or, even better, Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series), to emphasise the fact that the article is about the light novels and not the anime or radio dramas. By all means, use Suzumiya Haruhi within the Nihongo template, but Haruhi Suzumiya is the correct form used in almost every translation thus far, and is the form used throughout Wikipedia - except in the title of this article. For sheer consistence with the rest of Wikipedia, at the very least, this is one of the reasons why this article name must be changed. Thank you for your time. -- Ppk01 23:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE NOT MOVED -- as there was no consensus for the move per discussion below. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Suzumiya Haruhi (series) → Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series) — To conform with the Japanese Manual of Style and the rest of Wikipedia (which uses Haruhi Suzumiya in place of Suzumiya Haruhi), and to distinguish the focus of the article (as opposed to the anime or audio dramas). Please see my above post for more. Ppk01 23:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
In response to Juhachi (十八), the fact that the article focuses on the entire series of light novels requires the use of 'series' in the article title. Another option, however, would be to split this article up into eight separate articles, one for each novel. ( The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel), The Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya etc.) After all, we currently have one article covering both the anime and the novel; wouldn't it be best to transfer the information pertaining to the first novel into its own article (seeing as The Sighs already has its own article)? -- Ppk01 10:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I have discounted the IP address in the survey. This is not an easy one to decide but AFAICT there is no consensus to move the article to "Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel series)" because of objections to the word "series". Two of the three conributers to the discussion seem willing to have the page moved to Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel) or Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels) which is what I suggest that Ppk01 moves the article to if this name is less acceptable to him/her. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Given the circumstances, the "series" does seem unnecessary, doesn't it? I had originally thought to put "series" in the title to match with "TV series", but in this case, I agree that Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels) would be better. -- Ppk01 14:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I find it strange how there's no mention of how incredibly popular this series is in Japan. From what I've seen, it's about as crazy as Harry Potter. I don't know where to go about citing for this though.-- SeizureDog 07:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I made a proposal to make Haruhi into a wikiproject at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Haruhi_Suzumiya If you think you would be interested in it, or if you think it could be a good idea, please sign up. I'm just trying to get an early estimate to see if it stands a chance. Sbloemeke 22:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)