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This article should be about the event rather than about the person who is only notable for this single event. — Elipongo ( Talk contribs) 03:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
This word is normally used by news reporters when a person has yet to be convicted. unless there is some doubt as to whether this actually happened, if the initial investigation is complete, we dont need to use the word alleged. the dead dont get trials, and cannot be either guilty or innocent. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
There has to be a better name for this incident than "2010 Connecticut workplace shooting". I suggest "Hartford Distributors shooting", but I am curious as to whether there is any wiki procedure for determining the best designation of an event like this. A quick perusal of the spree shooting category shows that incidents that have happened within the wikipedia era have bland names and often encode the year, whereas older incidents are often "massacres". So maybe "2010 Hartford Distributors shooting" would be better. - Leonard ( talk) 16:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking http://news.google.com/ "Omar Thornton"
This incident is being noted as the "Manchester Massacre" on television and news reports in Connecticut. Can someone please make a redirect to this page from that entry? Thanks. ( 64.252.34.115 ( talk) 00:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC))
Current version:
“ | Hartford Distributors claimed that Thornton had been recorded on surveillance video in the Hartford Distributors warehouse stealing beer on a previous occasion. | ” |
My objection to this change (to include "claimed") is that no one is disputing the video recording of the theft depicts Thornton, and the video is in possession of the police, and being used in interviews in the investigation. Where's the doubt that would justify the above edit? patsw ( talk) 21:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
An anon editor claimed that Thornton was on his last bullet, sourcing the murderer's 911 call transcript. But the transcript is not good on that point. If you listen to it yourself, when asked how much ammo he has left, Thornton says: "I got uh... I got a lot of shots left. Oh oh." -Leonard ( talk) 00:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I watched an online video of a press conference given by the Manchester, CT chief of police. I seem to recall that this chief said the firearm which was recovered from Omar Thornton's dead body had eight rounds left in its magazine. Thornton told the operator during his 911 call that he was still armed with a Ruger SR9 and that he had discarded his other gun somewhere on the warehouse floor. The Ruger SR9 is a 9mm pistol which can accept either a 10 or 17-round-capacity magazine. Kepiblanc ( talk) 03:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
A recent edit changed "black" to "african american" and "white" to "caucasian". I am quite tempted to revert this change because it adds no clarity to the discussion and makes the sentence hard to read. Thornton refers to himself as black, as do other 911 callers, his girlfriend, etc. On the other hand, "African American" is quite popular amongst the American educated elite, although I don't think the parallel "Caucasian" is. Beyond the fact that these terms should be capitalized, which I will fix, I'd like the opinions of more knowledgeable editors. "Black/white" is, IMO, superior to "African American/Caucasian" since that is what people say, including the people in this story, and this is not a scholarly context. Is there any Wiki policy to guide? I've read several articles including that on African American, and it seems to use "black" and "African American" pretty interchangeably. -Leonard ( talk) 15:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Here are some words which might apply in the article: shooting, killing, massacre, murder, homicide, crime, event, tragic event, tragedy
My own take is that tragic event and tragedy do not apply to intentional murder. It should be applied only when the cause of the suffering is beyond human control, or beyond foreseeable consequences of human action. For example, see the many online discussions on why the 9/11 terrorist attacks could not be called a tragedy. patsw ( talk) 23:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The Ablow quote is sourced. If there's another expert out there who supports a contrasting opinion (i.e. that name-calling or racial taunts is a motive for mass murder) and it can be cited, please add it for balance. patsw ( talk) 02:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Aren't victims' names usually included on articles like these? There aren't any listed here. Writerchic99 ( talk) 11:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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This article should be about the event rather than about the person who is only notable for this single event. — Elipongo ( Talk contribs) 03:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
This word is normally used by news reporters when a person has yet to be convicted. unless there is some doubt as to whether this actually happened, if the initial investigation is complete, we dont need to use the word alleged. the dead dont get trials, and cannot be either guilty or innocent. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
There has to be a better name for this incident than "2010 Connecticut workplace shooting". I suggest "Hartford Distributors shooting", but I am curious as to whether there is any wiki procedure for determining the best designation of an event like this. A quick perusal of the spree shooting category shows that incidents that have happened within the wikipedia era have bland names and often encode the year, whereas older incidents are often "massacres". So maybe "2010 Hartford Distributors shooting" would be better. - Leonard ( talk) 16:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking http://news.google.com/ "Omar Thornton"
This incident is being noted as the "Manchester Massacre" on television and news reports in Connecticut. Can someone please make a redirect to this page from that entry? Thanks. ( 64.252.34.115 ( talk) 00:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC))
Current version:
“ | Hartford Distributors claimed that Thornton had been recorded on surveillance video in the Hartford Distributors warehouse stealing beer on a previous occasion. | ” |
My objection to this change (to include "claimed") is that no one is disputing the video recording of the theft depicts Thornton, and the video is in possession of the police, and being used in interviews in the investigation. Where's the doubt that would justify the above edit? patsw ( talk) 21:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
An anon editor claimed that Thornton was on his last bullet, sourcing the murderer's 911 call transcript. But the transcript is not good on that point. If you listen to it yourself, when asked how much ammo he has left, Thornton says: "I got uh... I got a lot of shots left. Oh oh." -Leonard ( talk) 00:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I watched an online video of a press conference given by the Manchester, CT chief of police. I seem to recall that this chief said the firearm which was recovered from Omar Thornton's dead body had eight rounds left in its magazine. Thornton told the operator during his 911 call that he was still armed with a Ruger SR9 and that he had discarded his other gun somewhere on the warehouse floor. The Ruger SR9 is a 9mm pistol which can accept either a 10 or 17-round-capacity magazine. Kepiblanc ( talk) 03:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
A recent edit changed "black" to "african american" and "white" to "caucasian". I am quite tempted to revert this change because it adds no clarity to the discussion and makes the sentence hard to read. Thornton refers to himself as black, as do other 911 callers, his girlfriend, etc. On the other hand, "African American" is quite popular amongst the American educated elite, although I don't think the parallel "Caucasian" is. Beyond the fact that these terms should be capitalized, which I will fix, I'd like the opinions of more knowledgeable editors. "Black/white" is, IMO, superior to "African American/Caucasian" since that is what people say, including the people in this story, and this is not a scholarly context. Is there any Wiki policy to guide? I've read several articles including that on African American, and it seems to use "black" and "African American" pretty interchangeably. -Leonard ( talk) 15:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Here are some words which might apply in the article: shooting, killing, massacre, murder, homicide, crime, event, tragic event, tragedy
My own take is that tragic event and tragedy do not apply to intentional murder. It should be applied only when the cause of the suffering is beyond human control, or beyond foreseeable consequences of human action. For example, see the many online discussions on why the 9/11 terrorist attacks could not be called a tragedy. patsw ( talk) 23:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The Ablow quote is sourced. If there's another expert out there who supports a contrasting opinion (i.e. that name-calling or racial taunts is a motive for mass murder) and it can be cited, please add it for balance. patsw ( talk) 02:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Aren't victims' names usually included on articles like these? There aren't any listed here. Writerchic99 ( talk) 11:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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