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As reported on CNN on August 4, 2008, Hartford is developing a policy to provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants. With America's taxpayers already burdened by the job of educating the children of illegal immigrants in public schools, the very last thing Hartford needs is to invite more people to the town who are not obeying the law, who are not paying earned income taxes, and who don't speak English.
Is there any reason why you had to refer to this guy as the first "black mayor in New England?" I did not know that there was a state called New England. Unless you can come up with some law that shows that there is a state called New England, you diminish Hartford's importance by mentioning New England when the only place that Hartford should be compared to is the rest of CT. Sounds as if the New England(Boston) propagandists are at work again.-- 71.235.81.39 13:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed some statements, such as "brand new" that don't fit the neutrality rules and cleaned up the grammar. I removed the neutrality notice since it's better now, but put up a notice about the section being about future. I suggest someone keep an eye on this stuff, because it's going to be outdated very soon.
Having lived in Atlanta for a while, I think it's overkill to provide such details every single condominium and apartment complex being built (besides Hartford 21, which is a huge project). I understand in a stagnated city it's cool to see redevelopment, but this is an encyclopedia and things like this are daily events in most cities. I put them into bullet form, but if everyone agrees, it would probably be better to just list them. -- netdragon 4 July 2006
The entire Revitalization section is looking more and more like an advertisement, special thanks to the edits of Ctman987 (whom I suspect might be, or be an advocate of, architect Cesar Pelli). Much of the section should be trimmed (perhaps leaving a small overview paragraph of the projects). -- AbsolutDan (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The "North End" is actually many different neighborhoods. Somehow, they have been lumped together . I suspect the media picked this term up from someone or some group with an agenda. It makes better news copy. I've been looking for better demographic data for the area but have come up empty so far. While I have my own opinions about the causes and solutions to Hartford's problems, I think we should stick to the facts. Poverty and crime exist in the "North End." Let's find out the numbers provided by different agencies and cite them. Let's keep politics out of the article. By the way, I did live in the West End until recently. The year I moved into my apartment there was a shooting one street over and my downstairs neighbor was arrested for selling drugs. Crime is everywhere. I am white and middle-class and I would move back if I could. Raynethackery 04:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
No mention of the North End or poverty, eh? Don't want people to know what the city is actually like... -- 163.192.21.45 21:38, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The part about the North end is an off-the-wall embarrassment. Could it be any more weepy and suggestive?
"have been collapsed" - what does this mean? Who collapsed it?
"Generally identified as consisting of the vast area north of Albany Avenue leading up to the Bloomfield and Windsor borders" - the North end very much extends *into* windsor and Bloomfield, which is a pretty strong indicator that the next line is rubbish.
"racist city planning" - is there an example? This is a huge slander that identifies no particular perpetrator or victim, but indicts city leadership in general? Could this be any more vague and useless as a comment? Somebody turn off the waterworks. Boo Hoo. All the problems of the North end in terms of crime and poverty extend into Windsor and Bloomfield despite the fact that whatever "policies" are being cited in this article did not apply in those towns. You can hardly tell where Hartford ends and Bloomfield and windsor begin. This is hardly a "redlining" issue.
"transformed a once multi-cultural area of African-American, Jewish, and European immigrants into an underdeveloped zone of housing projects and slums that is nearly entirely African-American and poor." - in other words, all the non-black and non-puerto ricans fled the area because they were tired of getting picked off in the street? How is city leadership responsible for this?
"caused the flight of the working and middle class to the suburbs." - crime causes people to flee. This is the same phenomenon in any western city, American or European.
"still suffers from underdevelopment and crime" - unless that crime is being imported, saying that the area "suffers" is an evasive way of saying that the people in the community are not responsible for their own deeds. A better way of saying it would be "a ton of people in this area commit crime with no compunction for the decay it causes in their own neighborhoods, or in Bloomfield and Windsor." People do the crime, "racist" city hall gets the blame? No one has to sell drugs, trick out his sister, steal cars, or create a whole generation of unwed mothers with crack babies. Try being a cop or a high school teacher in Hartford and see how hard city employees work to turn around young people's lives, only to get shot at, beaten, or raped. The city has a healthy share of black and puerto rican gangs in an age where gang violence is considered on the decline in very large cities.
"The schools are among the most segregated" - this is a similarly-ludicrous statement as the "racist" city policies a few lines up. "Segregated" indicates that someone literally aimed to separate by race. It does NOT mean incidental ghettoization from non-blacks fleeing the area for fear of their lives.
While we are talking about the North end, don't forget the porn shops and strip clubs by the highway.
Hartford is a place with big city problems but small town money to fix those problems. The urban decay cannot be fixed because no one in their right mind would move into Hartford proper when they could easily live in one of the suburbs which are among the nicest places to live in the state. The city swells by day as people commute to work, and they are darn well out by nightfall so they don't get picked off in the street. The city is bankrupt and without hope, but it wasn't always that way. 71.234.31.169 09:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
This North End section is still "weepy and suggestive," as one user wrote. I came here for useful research and I can't imagine how it would help anyone else, it certainly doesn't contain any information that will help me. It smacks of non-neutral POV. Somebody who knows something about the place and can maybe cite some sources, could we please get something put here that's less vague and moany?-- 65.16.61.35 18:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Where's the Gazetteer stuff for Hartford, and for Patterson, New Jersey? BobCMU76 03:53 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Try Paterson, New Jersey. :) -- Zoe
"Insurance Capital of the World" is the nickname used in Connecticut and most of New England. It may not be accurate anymore but it is still used. Raynethackery 04:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning "Insurance Capital of the World"? Does it have another nickname?
I can find no source for the nickname "Des Moines of the East", so I reverted the nickname back to Insurance capital of... and rising star... AbsolutDan 14:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone get the feeling that they are reading something out of a travel brochure? I have been trying to rid the article of as many of these problems as I could. Pentawing 02:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Are we ready to remove the cleanup tag? RJFJR 03:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
"Capital Community College helps train (mostly) adult students in specific career fields. Many of these careers will not provide the kind of paycheck needed for them to move into a downtown highrise." I think the latter sentence here is more than a bit biased.
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Although the article has photos, it needs more photos especially pictures of its skyline. This should show the obvious developement of hartford.
I have lots of Hartford photos that I have taken myself I am just slowly trying to figure out how to put them on the site....if anyone knows how to easily get the photos on here let me know...Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctman987 ( talk • contribs)
Should there be a subpage for this section? It seems a little lengthy. Any thoughts? Raynethackery 04:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that there were no pictures of Hartford's neighborhoods in this article. So, yesterday I put a few on. I took the pictures, and they thus had no copyright, which I noted on them. They were deleted with no indication of why. I think it is important to show what Hartford actually looks like. 3 of these pictures are in the contributions section of my mexognosis. If you have any thoughts please share them in the Hartford discussion page.
Yes it is important to show how Hartford loooks, pictures of a high quality such as the rest of pictures on Wikipedia (for the most part) are important also
This version of the article is I think what the anonymous user was referring to above. The pictures look ok. I think the only problem was their size and placement. -- Polaron | Talk 05:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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I looked through the links, and I don't see any reference to the Greater Hartford metro being the 6th largest in New England. I'm thinking this is wrong, how can it be the largest in CT, but only the sixth largest in New England? Boston and maybe Providence have larger metros outside of the State, Worcester and Springfield? I'm thinking no, and please find me the fifth....
According to New England, Hartford is behind Bridgeport, Springfield (MA), Worcester (MA), Providence (RI) & Boston in terms of city size, I'm not aware of a metro regional ranking. I agree, that part of the sentence should be moved. Markvs88 ( talk) 17:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Right, I wasn't talking about city size, I was talking metro. Thanks.
Now that Pedro Segarra is officially the mayor, I'm changing the box to reflect that. I'll ask the Perez fanatics to please not revert this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.128.237 ( talk) 21:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I realize there is a policy about blogs, but the Hartford, CT page has 14 blogs - many of which are inactive, none of which have the following and media coverage of Sad City Hartford. Why list 14 mostly irrelevant blogs and not the city's most relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.200.214 ( talk) 01:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
h22: 2 updates last 8 months. Not Hartford specific.
Hartford IMC: More general than Hartford specific.
Live In Hartford: Updated maybe once a month
Urban Compass: Updated about once every 2 months
Kenyon St: A real estate blog about one street
Urban America Northeast - Hartford: Last update was May
Sad City Hartford is read and followed much more than the others. The blog writers have been on Colin McEnroe's show on WNPR, have a regular weekly slot on WCCC, and were a cover story on the CT NOW section of the Courant December 1. The Facebook and Twitter followers for Sad City are much, much more than the other blogs.
If there is going to be blogs listed, not having Sad City is a gross misrepresentation of the Hartford blogging community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.200.214 ( talk) 15:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
This comment echoes and expands on the previous discussion re: the Knowledge Corridor, in that it is a question about the article's undue weight and neutral point of view.
While the entirety of the article is thorough, and the emphasis on attractions the city has to offer is useful and honest, it seems to me that if the Knowledge Corridor, the Courant, and the Wadsworth are significant to mention in the opening paragraphs, then so is Hartford's rate of poverty (second in the US, as the article notes down the line), and Hartford's economic decline.
In fact, there is no mention of anything negative about Hartford in the article's opening paragraphs, which seems to belittle the very real and very significant struggles taking place in the city over all. As this is a major point of discussion within and around the city, and a daily reality for the 30% of the population living in poverty, this seems to be an oversight in the name of presenting the most appealing parts of the city first. Is that neutral?
For that matter, the opening also leaves out a positive of the city: its diversity. Hartford has the second-largest Puerto Rican population of any city in the US. But you have to read all the way down to the end of the Demographics section to find that out.
I would have less of a problem with this if the opening were shorter. As multi-decade former resident of both the city and its metro area, I'm a little concerned that this article is written to make the city seem as appealing as possible to investors and potential homeowners, rather than to provide information on the actual city. Hammeritout ( talk) 15:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
This is an article about Hartford, not Springfield. While there is some inter-related topics between the two cities, the Springfield & Knowledge Corridor aspects of this article were given undue weight. I've trimmed things up, and was mildly surprised (given some of the stuff in the article) that there weren't directions to bicycle to Springfield. Right now the Knowledge Corridor is in four pieces in this article (not counting the train), which probably should be tightened as well. Best, Markvs88 ( talk) 18:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
As a lifelong resident of the Hartford area, I have never heard the term Knowledge Corridor used to describe Hartford-Springfield. I'm sure 99% of the rest of the state hasn't either. I think it's given undue weight just for that reason. 99.98.221.223 ( talk) 03:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
While UnitedHealthcare does have offices in Hartford, the company's headquarters is in Minnesotea 24.91.172.200 ( talk) 21:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Has there ever been a concerted effort to make a photo collage for Hartford's infobox? If not, then I certainly think such a thing is long overdue. There are far less noteworthy American cities that already have one. Just throwing the thought out there 50.136.74.20 ( talk) 15:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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Can you stop reverting links to the infobox. The multiple links are still appropriate, including the links to the county and metro area. — JJ Be rs 17:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The coverage on 19th-century manufacturing history is comprehensive, but I am wondering if this is too long and too detailed. Some allowances need to be made for Colt's influence, since this is clearly of the highest importance to the history of Hartford. The sourcing needs to improve here, but I will need to do some more reading, though I plan to start with the parts on Weed Sewing Machines and Pope Manufacturing Company. I will not be able to contribute to this until sometime in 2019. Is there anyone interested in collaborating? Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
This is the Hartford, Connecticut article. While a small mention about the KC might be warranted, it should not be anywhere near a major section. Like all things Springfield-related, it's not terribly relevant to the article about the city. Markvs88 ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
I do not need sources in this situation, because you're asking me to cite something that does not exist. Can you name a company that moved here due to the KC? No? Then QED. No one needs a citation that Hungary has never landed on the moon, either.
My point remains: the content is very relevant in articles other than this one. However, this is the CITY article. I'm not arguing that there is no relationship. I've clearly stated numerous times that it has a place in this article -- a small one. As in, what's already IN the article. Note that I have never removed that, nor would it be proper for it to be removed. It has as little business being in the lede as the Hartford Whalers would have in Springfield's. Or Bradley Airport. Etc. As for your examples, every single one is in regards to Hartford & Springfield together, and that interconnection. And that's great -- for the regional articles.
Okay, reality check: that page states the population of the KC area, and how much of that is Hartford's. It does not say anything else. As for Hartford County, note that it is mentioned only in passing in the lede -- and takes up precisely one sentence, not a 1300-1700 byte screed. Thank you for proving my point!
And again, comparing D-FW to H-S is not an apples to apples comparison. as there being no formal governmental body for the "region". They do not share an MSA. They do not are not in the same state. They do not share an airport (as in, Springfield residents use it, but the city pays nothing as it is wholly Connecticut's airport), etc. Markvs88 ( talk)
I think you'll find that one sentence > zero sentence, and I *did* put the sentence in the lede. If you're saying that the "Knowledge Corridor" is more important than Hartford's role as a capital city, having been a county seat, etc... then that's just plain laughable. No, I have nothing to disclose, I'm just here improving articles and getting rid of cruft. If you want to expand KC under the Education section go for it, but remember that it is a REGIONAL issue and is only tangentially important to the city. As for the largest economic sector: again, the KC is derivative OF the Hartford and Springfield investments in education and not vice versa. Further, Connecticut's spectacularly bad government chasing out so many companies has no small role in that fact. Markvs88 ( talk) 18:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
What I said before was "all I want is the one sentence mentioning the greater Hartford-Springfield region and the schools.” You have been very adamant about not allowing me to mention the role of the education economy in the lede.
Yes, and you have that one sentence. What you're asking for is cruft. Let's look at Boston's lede: "The Boston area's many colleges and universities make it an international center of higher education,[19] including law, medicine, engineering, and business ..." ...and that's is it. Everything else is in the Education section, where it belongs.
The City of Hartford's economy today is largely derived from investments in education, healthcare and research, that alone should warrant explanation in the lede, even if it only includes a sentence about the city’s colleges contributing to the KC handle.
Again, the KC had exactly nothing to do with those investments, and there is no citation for such a claim, nor have you refuted my point in repeating this. Does it belong in the regional lede? Sure. For the city? No. Why? Because the KC agreement is just that -- an agreement. It has no direct economic value per se, and the entirety of the Hartford–Springfield article is nothing but a walk through history and a listing of each city's assets.. with the exception of ONE sentence that claims the KC brought in a few hundred jobs. But here the source doesn't exactly back that up as it does not state that all of them came to the REGION due to the KC. Even more notably exactly zero of those jobs were in Hartford.
The CT government does not directly govern the KC. Two partner cities, their economies, and affiliates do.
This is true. However, as I've irrefutably shown previously: the partnership is of REGIONAL importance, and it is derivative of the cities. It is not in and of itself a governing body, and it is only of ancillary importance to the city.
Institutional support like Hartford gov identifying itself being within "the KC" = notability- maybe readers would wonder why.
Who's saying it isn't notable? Not I. If you've been reading, I've consistently said it is REGIONALLY notable, and does deserve some expansion in the educational section in this article. All I've been saying is that what you had in the lede far beyond wp:undue. Why you're arguing something I'm not is puzzling.
u have still not addressed any COI's of your own...
LOL, yeah, you've got me there. I joined Wikipedia in 2005 expressly to work against the future KC.</sarcasm> The 2012 edits I had to make were because there was so much cruft the city article was about 25% about KC and Springfield. Again, far past UNDUE. But, in the spirit of transparency: "I, Markvs88 affirm that I have no affiliation with Hartford, the KC, Springfield, et al, other than these are Wikipedia articles that I edit as a member of WikiProject Connecticut. Markvs88 ( talk) 14:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
In one section the article says the per capital income is roughly 13k, with the median incomes ranging from 24k to 27k. Yet then in another section it says the city has the highest per capita income in the world at 75k. So which is it? Is one referring to the actual city and another to the greater metropolitan area? Why is one figure so low and the other so high? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheyCallMeTheEditor ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
This does need to be cleared up, also:
"Today, Hartford is one of the poorest cities in the nation with 3 out of every 10 families living below the poverty line.
In 2004, the Hartford metropolitan area ranked second nationally in per capita economic activity, behind only San Francisco."
This is odd back to back, they should be combined or something to explain what it means exactly. It just seems contradictory as is.
Anyone can see that the numbers must be wrong and of course they turn out to be wrong, see www.city-data.com/income/income-Hartford-Connecticut.html –– 2001:16B8:6851:1600:F4D9:49A0:49FB:8C97 ( talk) 16:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Move Hartford, Connecticut to Hartford and Bridgeport, Connecticut to Bridgeport. 2A02:C7F:31CF:6400:B55F:3868:7D48:BA90 ( talk) 10:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I was moving to Hartford when I first came to the page. The impression it gave wasn't what I experienced in the city by myself. I was wondering if there is some wikiexperts who could updates the images put some nice skylines a collage on the right top table for the page so it could look like more to other big cities.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.236.29.35 ( talk) 08:40, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia editors and Connecticut Wiki-project Members. I would really like to see this article has a good article. However my interpretation of the guidelines for good article status is light. I am extremely new in the wikipedia sphere, so I would like community input to see whether this article is ready and if not what I and others can do to get it to that point. This would really be a learning experience for me so I am completely open.
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This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of March 12, 2022, compares against the six good article criteria:
The article has improved slightly since the nomination was opened (mainly with the removal of undue coverage in the History section), but has a long way to go before it's ready for another attempt.
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I was not able to find any information about the first annual hip hop festival and the underground coalition. If anyone can find any sources for it feel free to revert the change and add the citation. I couldn't scrounge even a passing mention in any newspaper or media source. -- Trey Wainman ( talk) 15:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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As reported on CNN on August 4, 2008, Hartford is developing a policy to provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants. With America's taxpayers already burdened by the job of educating the children of illegal immigrants in public schools, the very last thing Hartford needs is to invite more people to the town who are not obeying the law, who are not paying earned income taxes, and who don't speak English.
Is there any reason why you had to refer to this guy as the first "black mayor in New England?" I did not know that there was a state called New England. Unless you can come up with some law that shows that there is a state called New England, you diminish Hartford's importance by mentioning New England when the only place that Hartford should be compared to is the rest of CT. Sounds as if the New England(Boston) propagandists are at work again.-- 71.235.81.39 13:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed some statements, such as "brand new" that don't fit the neutrality rules and cleaned up the grammar. I removed the neutrality notice since it's better now, but put up a notice about the section being about future. I suggest someone keep an eye on this stuff, because it's going to be outdated very soon.
Having lived in Atlanta for a while, I think it's overkill to provide such details every single condominium and apartment complex being built (besides Hartford 21, which is a huge project). I understand in a stagnated city it's cool to see redevelopment, but this is an encyclopedia and things like this are daily events in most cities. I put them into bullet form, but if everyone agrees, it would probably be better to just list them. -- netdragon 4 July 2006
The entire Revitalization section is looking more and more like an advertisement, special thanks to the edits of Ctman987 (whom I suspect might be, or be an advocate of, architect Cesar Pelli). Much of the section should be trimmed (perhaps leaving a small overview paragraph of the projects). -- AbsolutDan (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The "North End" is actually many different neighborhoods. Somehow, they have been lumped together . I suspect the media picked this term up from someone or some group with an agenda. It makes better news copy. I've been looking for better demographic data for the area but have come up empty so far. While I have my own opinions about the causes and solutions to Hartford's problems, I think we should stick to the facts. Poverty and crime exist in the "North End." Let's find out the numbers provided by different agencies and cite them. Let's keep politics out of the article. By the way, I did live in the West End until recently. The year I moved into my apartment there was a shooting one street over and my downstairs neighbor was arrested for selling drugs. Crime is everywhere. I am white and middle-class and I would move back if I could. Raynethackery 04:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
No mention of the North End or poverty, eh? Don't want people to know what the city is actually like... -- 163.192.21.45 21:38, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The part about the North end is an off-the-wall embarrassment. Could it be any more weepy and suggestive?
"have been collapsed" - what does this mean? Who collapsed it?
"Generally identified as consisting of the vast area north of Albany Avenue leading up to the Bloomfield and Windsor borders" - the North end very much extends *into* windsor and Bloomfield, which is a pretty strong indicator that the next line is rubbish.
"racist city planning" - is there an example? This is a huge slander that identifies no particular perpetrator or victim, but indicts city leadership in general? Could this be any more vague and useless as a comment? Somebody turn off the waterworks. Boo Hoo. All the problems of the North end in terms of crime and poverty extend into Windsor and Bloomfield despite the fact that whatever "policies" are being cited in this article did not apply in those towns. You can hardly tell where Hartford ends and Bloomfield and windsor begin. This is hardly a "redlining" issue.
"transformed a once multi-cultural area of African-American, Jewish, and European immigrants into an underdeveloped zone of housing projects and slums that is nearly entirely African-American and poor." - in other words, all the non-black and non-puerto ricans fled the area because they were tired of getting picked off in the street? How is city leadership responsible for this?
"caused the flight of the working and middle class to the suburbs." - crime causes people to flee. This is the same phenomenon in any western city, American or European.
"still suffers from underdevelopment and crime" - unless that crime is being imported, saying that the area "suffers" is an evasive way of saying that the people in the community are not responsible for their own deeds. A better way of saying it would be "a ton of people in this area commit crime with no compunction for the decay it causes in their own neighborhoods, or in Bloomfield and Windsor." People do the crime, "racist" city hall gets the blame? No one has to sell drugs, trick out his sister, steal cars, or create a whole generation of unwed mothers with crack babies. Try being a cop or a high school teacher in Hartford and see how hard city employees work to turn around young people's lives, only to get shot at, beaten, or raped. The city has a healthy share of black and puerto rican gangs in an age where gang violence is considered on the decline in very large cities.
"The schools are among the most segregated" - this is a similarly-ludicrous statement as the "racist" city policies a few lines up. "Segregated" indicates that someone literally aimed to separate by race. It does NOT mean incidental ghettoization from non-blacks fleeing the area for fear of their lives.
While we are talking about the North end, don't forget the porn shops and strip clubs by the highway.
Hartford is a place with big city problems but small town money to fix those problems. The urban decay cannot be fixed because no one in their right mind would move into Hartford proper when they could easily live in one of the suburbs which are among the nicest places to live in the state. The city swells by day as people commute to work, and they are darn well out by nightfall so they don't get picked off in the street. The city is bankrupt and without hope, but it wasn't always that way. 71.234.31.169 09:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
This North End section is still "weepy and suggestive," as one user wrote. I came here for useful research and I can't imagine how it would help anyone else, it certainly doesn't contain any information that will help me. It smacks of non-neutral POV. Somebody who knows something about the place and can maybe cite some sources, could we please get something put here that's less vague and moany?-- 65.16.61.35 18:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Where's the Gazetteer stuff for Hartford, and for Patterson, New Jersey? BobCMU76 03:53 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Try Paterson, New Jersey. :) -- Zoe
"Insurance Capital of the World" is the nickname used in Connecticut and most of New England. It may not be accurate anymore but it is still used. Raynethackery 04:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning "Insurance Capital of the World"? Does it have another nickname?
I can find no source for the nickname "Des Moines of the East", so I reverted the nickname back to Insurance capital of... and rising star... AbsolutDan 14:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone get the feeling that they are reading something out of a travel brochure? I have been trying to rid the article of as many of these problems as I could. Pentawing 02:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Are we ready to remove the cleanup tag? RJFJR 03:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
"Capital Community College helps train (mostly) adult students in specific career fields. Many of these careers will not provide the kind of paycheck needed for them to move into a downtown highrise." I think the latter sentence here is more than a bit biased.
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Although the article has photos, it needs more photos especially pictures of its skyline. This should show the obvious developement of hartford.
I have lots of Hartford photos that I have taken myself I am just slowly trying to figure out how to put them on the site....if anyone knows how to easily get the photos on here let me know...Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctman987 ( talk • contribs)
Should there be a subpage for this section? It seems a little lengthy. Any thoughts? Raynethackery 04:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that there were no pictures of Hartford's neighborhoods in this article. So, yesterday I put a few on. I took the pictures, and they thus had no copyright, which I noted on them. They were deleted with no indication of why. I think it is important to show what Hartford actually looks like. 3 of these pictures are in the contributions section of my mexognosis. If you have any thoughts please share them in the Hartford discussion page.
Yes it is important to show how Hartford loooks, pictures of a high quality such as the rest of pictures on Wikipedia (for the most part) are important also
This version of the article is I think what the anonymous user was referring to above. The pictures look ok. I think the only problem was their size and placement. -- Polaron | Talk 05:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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I looked through the links, and I don't see any reference to the Greater Hartford metro being the 6th largest in New England. I'm thinking this is wrong, how can it be the largest in CT, but only the sixth largest in New England? Boston and maybe Providence have larger metros outside of the State, Worcester and Springfield? I'm thinking no, and please find me the fifth....
According to New England, Hartford is behind Bridgeport, Springfield (MA), Worcester (MA), Providence (RI) & Boston in terms of city size, I'm not aware of a metro regional ranking. I agree, that part of the sentence should be moved. Markvs88 ( talk) 17:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Right, I wasn't talking about city size, I was talking metro. Thanks.
Now that Pedro Segarra is officially the mayor, I'm changing the box to reflect that. I'll ask the Perez fanatics to please not revert this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.128.237 ( talk) 21:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I realize there is a policy about blogs, but the Hartford, CT page has 14 blogs - many of which are inactive, none of which have the following and media coverage of Sad City Hartford. Why list 14 mostly irrelevant blogs and not the city's most relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.200.214 ( talk) 01:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
h22: 2 updates last 8 months. Not Hartford specific.
Hartford IMC: More general than Hartford specific.
Live In Hartford: Updated maybe once a month
Urban Compass: Updated about once every 2 months
Kenyon St: A real estate blog about one street
Urban America Northeast - Hartford: Last update was May
Sad City Hartford is read and followed much more than the others. The blog writers have been on Colin McEnroe's show on WNPR, have a regular weekly slot on WCCC, and were a cover story on the CT NOW section of the Courant December 1. The Facebook and Twitter followers for Sad City are much, much more than the other blogs.
If there is going to be blogs listed, not having Sad City is a gross misrepresentation of the Hartford blogging community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.200.214 ( talk) 15:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
This comment echoes and expands on the previous discussion re: the Knowledge Corridor, in that it is a question about the article's undue weight and neutral point of view.
While the entirety of the article is thorough, and the emphasis on attractions the city has to offer is useful and honest, it seems to me that if the Knowledge Corridor, the Courant, and the Wadsworth are significant to mention in the opening paragraphs, then so is Hartford's rate of poverty (second in the US, as the article notes down the line), and Hartford's economic decline.
In fact, there is no mention of anything negative about Hartford in the article's opening paragraphs, which seems to belittle the very real and very significant struggles taking place in the city over all. As this is a major point of discussion within and around the city, and a daily reality for the 30% of the population living in poverty, this seems to be an oversight in the name of presenting the most appealing parts of the city first. Is that neutral?
For that matter, the opening also leaves out a positive of the city: its diversity. Hartford has the second-largest Puerto Rican population of any city in the US. But you have to read all the way down to the end of the Demographics section to find that out.
I would have less of a problem with this if the opening were shorter. As multi-decade former resident of both the city and its metro area, I'm a little concerned that this article is written to make the city seem as appealing as possible to investors and potential homeowners, rather than to provide information on the actual city. Hammeritout ( talk) 15:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
This is an article about Hartford, not Springfield. While there is some inter-related topics between the two cities, the Springfield & Knowledge Corridor aspects of this article were given undue weight. I've trimmed things up, and was mildly surprised (given some of the stuff in the article) that there weren't directions to bicycle to Springfield. Right now the Knowledge Corridor is in four pieces in this article (not counting the train), which probably should be tightened as well. Best, Markvs88 ( talk) 18:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
As a lifelong resident of the Hartford area, I have never heard the term Knowledge Corridor used to describe Hartford-Springfield. I'm sure 99% of the rest of the state hasn't either. I think it's given undue weight just for that reason. 99.98.221.223 ( talk) 03:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
While UnitedHealthcare does have offices in Hartford, the company's headquarters is in Minnesotea 24.91.172.200 ( talk) 21:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Has there ever been a concerted effort to make a photo collage for Hartford's infobox? If not, then I certainly think such a thing is long overdue. There are far less noteworthy American cities that already have one. Just throwing the thought out there 50.136.74.20 ( talk) 15:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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Can you stop reverting links to the infobox. The multiple links are still appropriate, including the links to the county and metro area. — JJ Be rs 17:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The coverage on 19th-century manufacturing history is comprehensive, but I am wondering if this is too long and too detailed. Some allowances need to be made for Colt's influence, since this is clearly of the highest importance to the history of Hartford. The sourcing needs to improve here, but I will need to do some more reading, though I plan to start with the parts on Weed Sewing Machines and Pope Manufacturing Company. I will not be able to contribute to this until sometime in 2019. Is there anyone interested in collaborating? Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
This is the Hartford, Connecticut article. While a small mention about the KC might be warranted, it should not be anywhere near a major section. Like all things Springfield-related, it's not terribly relevant to the article about the city. Markvs88 ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
I do not need sources in this situation, because you're asking me to cite something that does not exist. Can you name a company that moved here due to the KC? No? Then QED. No one needs a citation that Hungary has never landed on the moon, either.
My point remains: the content is very relevant in articles other than this one. However, this is the CITY article. I'm not arguing that there is no relationship. I've clearly stated numerous times that it has a place in this article -- a small one. As in, what's already IN the article. Note that I have never removed that, nor would it be proper for it to be removed. It has as little business being in the lede as the Hartford Whalers would have in Springfield's. Or Bradley Airport. Etc. As for your examples, every single one is in regards to Hartford & Springfield together, and that interconnection. And that's great -- for the regional articles.
Okay, reality check: that page states the population of the KC area, and how much of that is Hartford's. It does not say anything else. As for Hartford County, note that it is mentioned only in passing in the lede -- and takes up precisely one sentence, not a 1300-1700 byte screed. Thank you for proving my point!
And again, comparing D-FW to H-S is not an apples to apples comparison. as there being no formal governmental body for the "region". They do not share an MSA. They do not are not in the same state. They do not share an airport (as in, Springfield residents use it, but the city pays nothing as it is wholly Connecticut's airport), etc. Markvs88 ( talk)
I think you'll find that one sentence > zero sentence, and I *did* put the sentence in the lede. If you're saying that the "Knowledge Corridor" is more important than Hartford's role as a capital city, having been a county seat, etc... then that's just plain laughable. No, I have nothing to disclose, I'm just here improving articles and getting rid of cruft. If you want to expand KC under the Education section go for it, but remember that it is a REGIONAL issue and is only tangentially important to the city. As for the largest economic sector: again, the KC is derivative OF the Hartford and Springfield investments in education and not vice versa. Further, Connecticut's spectacularly bad government chasing out so many companies has no small role in that fact. Markvs88 ( talk) 18:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
What I said before was "all I want is the one sentence mentioning the greater Hartford-Springfield region and the schools.” You have been very adamant about not allowing me to mention the role of the education economy in the lede.
Yes, and you have that one sentence. What you're asking for is cruft. Let's look at Boston's lede: "The Boston area's many colleges and universities make it an international center of higher education,[19] including law, medicine, engineering, and business ..." ...and that's is it. Everything else is in the Education section, where it belongs.
The City of Hartford's economy today is largely derived from investments in education, healthcare and research, that alone should warrant explanation in the lede, even if it only includes a sentence about the city’s colleges contributing to the KC handle.
Again, the KC had exactly nothing to do with those investments, and there is no citation for such a claim, nor have you refuted my point in repeating this. Does it belong in the regional lede? Sure. For the city? No. Why? Because the KC agreement is just that -- an agreement. It has no direct economic value per se, and the entirety of the Hartford–Springfield article is nothing but a walk through history and a listing of each city's assets.. with the exception of ONE sentence that claims the KC brought in a few hundred jobs. But here the source doesn't exactly back that up as it does not state that all of them came to the REGION due to the KC. Even more notably exactly zero of those jobs were in Hartford.
The CT government does not directly govern the KC. Two partner cities, their economies, and affiliates do.
This is true. However, as I've irrefutably shown previously: the partnership is of REGIONAL importance, and it is derivative of the cities. It is not in and of itself a governing body, and it is only of ancillary importance to the city.
Institutional support like Hartford gov identifying itself being within "the KC" = notability- maybe readers would wonder why.
Who's saying it isn't notable? Not I. If you've been reading, I've consistently said it is REGIONALLY notable, and does deserve some expansion in the educational section in this article. All I've been saying is that what you had in the lede far beyond wp:undue. Why you're arguing something I'm not is puzzling.
u have still not addressed any COI's of your own...
LOL, yeah, you've got me there. I joined Wikipedia in 2005 expressly to work against the future KC.</sarcasm> The 2012 edits I had to make were because there was so much cruft the city article was about 25% about KC and Springfield. Again, far past UNDUE. But, in the spirit of transparency: "I, Markvs88 affirm that I have no affiliation with Hartford, the KC, Springfield, et al, other than these are Wikipedia articles that I edit as a member of WikiProject Connecticut. Markvs88 ( talk) 14:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
In one section the article says the per capital income is roughly 13k, with the median incomes ranging from 24k to 27k. Yet then in another section it says the city has the highest per capita income in the world at 75k. So which is it? Is one referring to the actual city and another to the greater metropolitan area? Why is one figure so low and the other so high? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheyCallMeTheEditor ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
This does need to be cleared up, also:
"Today, Hartford is one of the poorest cities in the nation with 3 out of every 10 families living below the poverty line.
In 2004, the Hartford metropolitan area ranked second nationally in per capita economic activity, behind only San Francisco."
This is odd back to back, they should be combined or something to explain what it means exactly. It just seems contradictory as is.
Anyone can see that the numbers must be wrong and of course they turn out to be wrong, see www.city-data.com/income/income-Hartford-Connecticut.html –– 2001:16B8:6851:1600:F4D9:49A0:49FB:8C97 ( talk) 16:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Move Hartford, Connecticut to Hartford and Bridgeport, Connecticut to Bridgeport. 2A02:C7F:31CF:6400:B55F:3868:7D48:BA90 ( talk) 10:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I was moving to Hartford when I first came to the page. The impression it gave wasn't what I experienced in the city by myself. I was wondering if there is some wikiexperts who could updates the images put some nice skylines a collage on the right top table for the page so it could look like more to other big cities.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.236.29.35 ( talk) 08:40, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia editors and Connecticut Wiki-project Members. I would really like to see this article has a good article. However my interpretation of the guidelines for good article status is light. I am extremely new in the wikipedia sphere, so I would like community input to see whether this article is ready and if not what I and others can do to get it to that point. This would really be a learning experience for me so I am completely open.
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Will review, but the article seems to have several citation needed tags that need to be resolved.
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This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of March 12, 2022, compares against the six good article criteria:
The article has improved slightly since the nomination was opened (mainly with the removal of undue coverage in the History section), but has a long way to go before it's ready for another attempt.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Sounder Bruce 06:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
I was not able to find any information about the first annual hip hop festival and the underground coalition. If anyone can find any sources for it feel free to revert the change and add the citation. I couldn't scrounge even a passing mention in any newspaper or media source. -- Trey Wainman ( talk) 15:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)