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POV of somewhat cranky conservative critic of Jaffa. What is needed instead is a competent summary of Jaffa's work, with attention to his disputes with the leading lights of the American historical profession, and a paragraph (at most) on his disputes with fellow conservatives. The web links are a bad joke.
What is the definition of a neoconservative, and what is the evidence that Mr Jaffa is a neoconservative as opposed to a paleoconservative? I'm removing Neo pending someone providing a reputable source that defines neoconservative and that Mr Jaffa satisfies the criteria. StreamingRadioGuide 22:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
[1]reference to birthdate
This article is in need of a facelift. I'm thinking about completely reorganizing the intro, excluding everything but the most basic information. For example, Jaffa's work with Barry Goldwater could be a new section, and his connection to West Coast Straussians should be too. As far as the text, we need a comprehensive list of his works, essays, and any speeches, like the Goldwater one, to include. We also need to highlight his work on Abraham Lincoln (Crisis of the House Divided, and A New Birth of Freedom) along with the debates he's had with Thomas DiLorenzo (Von Mises follower?) and the others already listed in the article. PLEASE give me some feedback! JeanValJean redux ( talk) 13:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm compiling a list of his writings. There are some listed on claremont.org and amazon.com. Any help compiling that list would be appreciated. Tommyboy1215 ( talk) 13:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
This book appears to have the best summary of Jaffa's work along with his disputes with other scholars. JeanValJean redux ( talk) 14:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
In this section, Jaffa's "most noted book" is mentioned, but is not really expanded upon. Considering the fact that is his most noted book, should we consider placing a few of the most prominent points briefly within this section? Scholar999 ( talk) 17:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I am really liking the layout of the page, I went ahead and moved some of the information that did not fit in the "Jaffa-DiLorenzo Debate" would to the "Lincoln debated" section. I only moved the information that does not deal with that debate itself. Scholar999 ( talk) 01:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Problem: This section, on the Jaffa/DiLorenzo debate, is interesting and informative. However, as another reader (see Rich comment, below) has already pointed out, the presentation is one-sided. It only presents a summary of Jaffa's views, and has nothing about DiLorenzo's responses. I think that the real problem is that a detailed discussion of this debate doesn't really belong in the Jaffa article. Jaffa lived a very long and productive life; his debate with DiLorenzo was less than 2 hours' worth of nine decades. The debate is an interesting public document (available on YouTube), but it was hardly a crucial element of Jaffa's career.
Suggestion: There are several other major Wikipedia articles that deal philosophically with debates about Lincoln, secession, the Civil War, the election of 1860, etc. This debate summary belongs in one of those articles. The summary should be expanded to include DiLorenzo's points, and the whole thing should be moved to another article. The Jaffa article should link to it.
If anyone likes this idea, I'll be happy to do the work. Apruzan ( talk) 20:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
If the details of the debates are going to be presented, then the counter points should be presented. Otherwise the section is simply a soapbox for Jaffa's views. – S. Rich ( talk) 18:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Jaffa courted controversy, particularly on gay issues, at least according to The Nation. No mention in the article...? Cleopatran Apocalypse ( talk) 19:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This 1988 article ("Humanizing Certitudes and Impoverishing Doubts") in particular contains shockingly vicious anti-gay sentiments: https://web.archive.org/web/20110809221904/https://interpretationjournal.com/backissues/Vol_16-1.pdf
Although Jaffa is deceased, large portions of the article are written in present tense. Island Pelican ( talk) 15:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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POV of somewhat cranky conservative critic of Jaffa. What is needed instead is a competent summary of Jaffa's work, with attention to his disputes with the leading lights of the American historical profession, and a paragraph (at most) on his disputes with fellow conservatives. The web links are a bad joke.
What is the definition of a neoconservative, and what is the evidence that Mr Jaffa is a neoconservative as opposed to a paleoconservative? I'm removing Neo pending someone providing a reputable source that defines neoconservative and that Mr Jaffa satisfies the criteria. StreamingRadioGuide 22:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
[1]reference to birthdate
This article is in need of a facelift. I'm thinking about completely reorganizing the intro, excluding everything but the most basic information. For example, Jaffa's work with Barry Goldwater could be a new section, and his connection to West Coast Straussians should be too. As far as the text, we need a comprehensive list of his works, essays, and any speeches, like the Goldwater one, to include. We also need to highlight his work on Abraham Lincoln (Crisis of the House Divided, and A New Birth of Freedom) along with the debates he's had with Thomas DiLorenzo (Von Mises follower?) and the others already listed in the article. PLEASE give me some feedback! JeanValJean redux ( talk) 13:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm compiling a list of his writings. There are some listed on claremont.org and amazon.com. Any help compiling that list would be appreciated. Tommyboy1215 ( talk) 13:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
This book appears to have the best summary of Jaffa's work along with his disputes with other scholars. JeanValJean redux ( talk) 14:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
In this section, Jaffa's "most noted book" is mentioned, but is not really expanded upon. Considering the fact that is his most noted book, should we consider placing a few of the most prominent points briefly within this section? Scholar999 ( talk) 17:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I am really liking the layout of the page, I went ahead and moved some of the information that did not fit in the "Jaffa-DiLorenzo Debate" would to the "Lincoln debated" section. I only moved the information that does not deal with that debate itself. Scholar999 ( talk) 01:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Problem: This section, on the Jaffa/DiLorenzo debate, is interesting and informative. However, as another reader (see Rich comment, below) has already pointed out, the presentation is one-sided. It only presents a summary of Jaffa's views, and has nothing about DiLorenzo's responses. I think that the real problem is that a detailed discussion of this debate doesn't really belong in the Jaffa article. Jaffa lived a very long and productive life; his debate with DiLorenzo was less than 2 hours' worth of nine decades. The debate is an interesting public document (available on YouTube), but it was hardly a crucial element of Jaffa's career.
Suggestion: There are several other major Wikipedia articles that deal philosophically with debates about Lincoln, secession, the Civil War, the election of 1860, etc. This debate summary belongs in one of those articles. The summary should be expanded to include DiLorenzo's points, and the whole thing should be moved to another article. The Jaffa article should link to it.
If anyone likes this idea, I'll be happy to do the work. Apruzan ( talk) 20:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
If the details of the debates are going to be presented, then the counter points should be presented. Otherwise the section is simply a soapbox for Jaffa's views. – S. Rich ( talk) 18:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Jaffa courted controversy, particularly on gay issues, at least according to The Nation. No mention in the article...? Cleopatran Apocalypse ( talk) 19:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This 1988 article ("Humanizing Certitudes and Impoverishing Doubts") in particular contains shockingly vicious anti-gay sentiments: https://web.archive.org/web/20110809221904/https://interpretationjournal.com/backissues/Vol_16-1.pdf
Although Jaffa is deceased, large portions of the article are written in present tense. Island Pelican ( talk) 15:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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