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Now, I would be interested in discussion of whether the explanation of hallows ought to be inside the spoiler warning, beause I am minded that it ought. Rowling chose obscure words to set people a puzzle, and they may want warning that the meaning is going to be explained. Normally I am rather sceptical about spoiler warnings, because I feel people looking at articles about a book deserve to find what they are looking for, but they might not be expecting an explanation of the title. Sandpiper 19:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
This article on a not-yet-existent book is significantly longer than the article on the first book in the series. It's just funny, that's all.
In a separate dispute, an editor complained about my earlier restoration of the information to this article. An admin replied (he seems to think I had added the information, which isn't true, but never mind for now): "As for MichaelSanders efforts on Harry Potter, his edits are fully sourced, relevant, and generally add to the topic and content, and should be restored.ThuranX 20:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"
He later disputed the views of Folcan de Fanel, saying, " Actually, MichaelSanders' edits seem thoroughly substantiated by the links, and present the nature of the word Hallows. he cites OTHERS who construct the Arthurian parallels, Cites the Arthurian hallows, and so on. Perhaps the only place where he flirts with OR is in the parallels of House Symbols and which element each represents. However, The vast majority is well cited, and germane to the topics. I support it's inclusion. Finally, Consensus and Citation are the bases of Wikipedia, NOT argument and conflict You're becoming combative, FdF. Wait or more comment from outside editors and admins.ThuranX 00:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)"
Does that cast any new light on the issue? Michaelsanders 00:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
In recent interviews with Stuart Craig, Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe, there are so-called hints that they will return in this movie. I think Struat Craig will definately reprise his work as Production Designer. Even Rupert has given some hints about returning. So, what about a section in this article about the movie? I know it'll be foolish because even book has not released yet and movie has not yet announced. But only one section might be good enough for information we have. User:Bunty01 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bunty01 ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Some administrator please add the Greek interwiki [[el:Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]-- FocalPoint 16:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I would be grateful if whoever gets the chance could amend the text in the section on 'information from Rowling', fourth entry from the bottom 'Rowling clarified that "Dumbledore is definitely dead..."' with the following extended wording:
Well if you look up the reference it explains the context. It says in fuller extent (Towards the end), "But honestly, he says [Radcliffe], he has no idea of how the series will end. Nor does he want to. He's a Potter fan, like everyone else. 'Jo came down to the set at one point and I said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?" And she said, "Oh I just needed a break from the book - Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble." And I said, "But isn't he dead?" And she said, "Well, yeah, but it's more complex ..." I was like, [briskly] "OK, I'm not gonna ask anything else!"'
The ref is also mucked up because I posted it wrong above. If you look at the ref itself rather than the label, you will see it is from the Guardian, not mugglenet, though I am sure Mugglenet must have it also. It usually takes me a couple of goes to get an insert correct, and this is an awkward way of doing things. The ref listing doesn't appear on this page. All this fuss about acceptable references, does no one apart from me actually read them? Sandpiper 18:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
and a reflist so we can see the results (is that allowed on chat pages? if not, please delete)
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The fisher king is referenced twice separately in the article as it now stands. The two refs need combining. That seems a bit messy to post here for inclusion , but I might have a go in a bit if no one else with rights has volunteered to sort it out. I expect it needs a name and one ref replacing with the name. Sandpiper
{{editprotected}} Ok, I am suggesting pruning the external links section to the version below. I am even going to ask someone to please do it for me, despite the fact that somehow I can hear complaints already. Anyway. Could anyone with mystic powers please replace the existing external links section with the one here. The deleted items are either not very informative, or not very relevant. I have also amended the descriptions to be more informative. But I will understand if anyone responding to my quest to insert this feels it is too hot to handle. This is a pruning of items, so I hope the deletionists will not be upset.
Sandpiper 22:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Right, this has been here for 24 hours now, do we have any objections to the amended links? Sandpiper 22:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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"J.K. Rowling's Official Site (Animated version)"? It's the home page and has links to both the animated and text-only versions! Brian Jason Drake 07:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
www.jkrowling.com/en brings you right to the English version of her animated desktop.
Further to the discussion below, could someone please insert the following agreed text (copied to here from below with a couple of minor corrections to punctuation, ref format) into the article in substitution for the existing text of the section The meaning of Hallows: ( Sandpiper 19:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC))
When asked "What does 'Deathly Hallows' mean?" J.K. Rowling responded, "Any clarification of the meaning of 'Hallows' would give away too much of the story - well, it would, wouldn't it? Being the title and all. So I'm afraid I'm not answering." [1]. She also declined to say what her two other shortlisted titles had been, at least until after publication. The release of the title has resulted in considerable speculation amongst fans as to its possible meanings. [2]
Hallow is a word usually used as a verb, meaning "to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate". [3] However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the word hallows appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in " All Hallows' Day" or " All Saints' Day," which is the day after Halloween or "All Hallows' Eve". Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, the relics of gods, or shrines in which the relics are kept. [4] [5] Since the essence of these saints or gods were often considered present at their shrines and in their relics, hallows came to refer to the saints or gods themselves, rather than just their relics or shrines. So, the hallow (relic) of a hallow (saint) is hidden in a hallow (shrine). Hallow is not to be confused with hollow, such as in Godric's Hollow.
The word ‘hallows' has been used in a number of legends to represent important and powerful objects. [6] The Tuatha de Danaan in Ireland possessed six hallows, Manannan’s house, Goibniu’s shirt and tools, Lochlan’s helmet, Alba’s shears, a fishskin belt and Asal’s pig bones. These were guarded by four Guardians of the Hallows, Manannan, Lugh, Cumhal and Fionn. As the legend changed, the hallows became four objects; the spear of Lugh, Stone of Fal, Sword of Nuada and Dagda's Cauldron. These became the four suits in a pack of Tarot cards and took on the representation of the four magical elements, earth, air, fire and water. [7] The coronation ceremony for monarchs still contains four ritual objects, now represented as the sceptre, sword, ampulla of oil and crown. Similar objects also appear in Arthurian legends where the Fisher King is the guardian of four hallows; the sword, spear, dish and holy grail. [4] Earlier Arthurian legends also refer to a set of thirteen treasures of Britain.
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The title of the seventh book in other languages does not translate to 'Deathly Hallows', but usually to 'Deathly Saints'. Why isn't it taken for granted that 'Hallows'as Rowling means it refers to people? Curiousb0215 10:09 27 February 2007
Perhaps we should be researching Hallows.
What do people think of this as a possible reference? [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sandpiper ( talk • contribs) 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
From going through the debate above and researching Hallows a bit, it seems to me that in fact the word as used by Rowling is only extraordinary because it is archaic. The fact that most people had no idea before she used it about what it means does not change its established meaning. It might mean the remains of saints their surroundings, etc, or it might mean revered artefacts. I'm afraid I don't see this as OR at all. In fact, i really don't see the explanation in any way reliant upon the contents of book 7, or even really the other books. If the exercise had simply been, 'write a short essay explaining the meaning of hallows', then it would still have included arthur, Mr fisher king, and celtic heroes. None of this relies upon the plot of HP7 at all. Hallows is not being explained by use of the arthurian example because of HP7, but because it is the pre-eminent example. Views? Sandpiper 08:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
As a second point, in the hope of trying to break this problem into manageable issues. I was thinking about T-dot's suggestion of creating a separate Hallows article. My considered view is that at this time the only reason for creating such an article is because Rowling has used the word. As such, it would be a spun off article, which is really part of this one, and an important part. The only known part of the book 7 text is the title, and its meaning is a source of considerable confusion. It may be that in 6 months when an entirely different article to this one has been created about the book, that editors will think it worth placing the information here about Hallows into a separate article, if it has grown sufficiently. But at present I feel it belongs here, and it would be a gross omission not to have it here. Views? Sandpiper 08:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
What do people think about the following text?
==The meaning of "Hallows"==
When asked "What does 'Deathly Hallows' mean?" J.K. Rowling responded, "Any clarification of the meaning of 'Hallows' would give away too much of the story - well, it would, wouldn't it? Being the title and all. So I'm afraid I'm not answering." [8]. She also declined to say what her two other shortlisted titles had been, at least until after publication. The release of the title has resulted in considerable speculation amongst fans as to its possible meanings. [9]
Hallow is a word usually used as a verb, meaning "to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate". [10] However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the word hallows appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in " All Hallows' Day" or " All Saints' Day," which is the day after Halloween or "All Hallows' Eve". Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, the relics of gods, or shrines in which the relics are kept. [11], [12] Since the essence of these saints or gods were often considered present at their shrines and in their relics, hallows came to refer to the saints or gods themselves, rather than just their relics or shrines. So, the hallow (relic) of a hallow (saint) is hidden in a hallow (shrine). Hallow is not to be confused with hollow, such as in Godric's Hollow.
The word ‘hallows' has been used in a number of legends to represent important and powerful objects. [13] The Tuatha de Danaan in Ireland possessed six hallows, Manannan’s house, Goibniu’s shirt and tools, Lochlan’s helmet, Alba’s shears, a fishskin belt and Asal’s pig bones. These were guarded by four Guardians of the Hallows, Manannan, Lugh, Cumhal and Fionn. As the legend changed, the hallows became four objects; the spear of Lugh, Stone of Fal, Sword of Nuada and Dagda's Cauldron. These became the four suits in a pack of Tarot cards and took on the representation of the four magical elements, earth, air, fire and water. [14] The coronation ceremony for monarchs still contains four ritual objects, now represented as the sceptre, sword, ampulla of oil and crown. Similar objects also appear in Arthurian legends where the Fisher King is the guardian of four hallows; the sword, spear, dish and holy grail. [15] Earlier Arthurian legends also refer to a set of thirteen treasures of Britain.
Sandpiper 20:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There is another comment that could probably reasonably be made about the use of "hallows". Ostensibly it suggests a religious connection, but thus far the books have been solidly secular. To my mind (pure speculation) it suggestions that "hallows" will be given its own specific meaning in Rowling's wizarding world. -- Legis ( talk - contributions) 16:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
That's why I'm getting rid of all of them in the article, except titles! 208.126.51.37 ( talk) 21:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a redirect page titled "Harry potrer and the deathly haallow"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.53.21 ( talk) 15:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The phrases "HP1" to "HP7" redirect to the corresponding Potter books, but HP8 does not yet exist. I recommend creating it. A true eight novel (not a background book but a story) is being created by JKR. The only thing currently known about it is a chapter title: "First clash of the monolith". It is theorised to refer to the Ayers Rock, as Hermione still needs to go to Australia to recover her parents. 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 11:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
No way. An 800-word essay written for a charity auction does not constitute an "HP8 book". But it should probably be mentioned at the Harry Potter article - that seems to be the best fit for a location, unless it somehow becomes sufficiently notable to warrant its own article. The deletionists would have a (snow)ball with this. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 02:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
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Now, I would be interested in discussion of whether the explanation of hallows ought to be inside the spoiler warning, beause I am minded that it ought. Rowling chose obscure words to set people a puzzle, and they may want warning that the meaning is going to be explained. Normally I am rather sceptical about spoiler warnings, because I feel people looking at articles about a book deserve to find what they are looking for, but they might not be expecting an explanation of the title. Sandpiper 19:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
This article on a not-yet-existent book is significantly longer than the article on the first book in the series. It's just funny, that's all.
In a separate dispute, an editor complained about my earlier restoration of the information to this article. An admin replied (he seems to think I had added the information, which isn't true, but never mind for now): "As for MichaelSanders efforts on Harry Potter, his edits are fully sourced, relevant, and generally add to the topic and content, and should be restored.ThuranX 20:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"
He later disputed the views of Folcan de Fanel, saying, " Actually, MichaelSanders' edits seem thoroughly substantiated by the links, and present the nature of the word Hallows. he cites OTHERS who construct the Arthurian parallels, Cites the Arthurian hallows, and so on. Perhaps the only place where he flirts with OR is in the parallels of House Symbols and which element each represents. However, The vast majority is well cited, and germane to the topics. I support it's inclusion. Finally, Consensus and Citation are the bases of Wikipedia, NOT argument and conflict You're becoming combative, FdF. Wait or more comment from outside editors and admins.ThuranX 00:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)"
Does that cast any new light on the issue? Michaelsanders 00:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
In recent interviews with Stuart Craig, Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe, there are so-called hints that they will return in this movie. I think Struat Craig will definately reprise his work as Production Designer. Even Rupert has given some hints about returning. So, what about a section in this article about the movie? I know it'll be foolish because even book has not released yet and movie has not yet announced. But only one section might be good enough for information we have. User:Bunty01 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bunty01 ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Some administrator please add the Greek interwiki [[el:Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]-- FocalPoint 16:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I would be grateful if whoever gets the chance could amend the text in the section on 'information from Rowling', fourth entry from the bottom 'Rowling clarified that "Dumbledore is definitely dead..."' with the following extended wording:
Well if you look up the reference it explains the context. It says in fuller extent (Towards the end), "But honestly, he says [Radcliffe], he has no idea of how the series will end. Nor does he want to. He's a Potter fan, like everyone else. 'Jo came down to the set at one point and I said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?" And she said, "Oh I just needed a break from the book - Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble." And I said, "But isn't he dead?" And she said, "Well, yeah, but it's more complex ..." I was like, [briskly] "OK, I'm not gonna ask anything else!"'
The ref is also mucked up because I posted it wrong above. If you look at the ref itself rather than the label, you will see it is from the Guardian, not mugglenet, though I am sure Mugglenet must have it also. It usually takes me a couple of goes to get an insert correct, and this is an awkward way of doing things. The ref listing doesn't appear on this page. All this fuss about acceptable references, does no one apart from me actually read them? Sandpiper 18:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
and a reflist so we can see the results (is that allowed on chat pages? if not, please delete)
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The fisher king is referenced twice separately in the article as it now stands. The two refs need combining. That seems a bit messy to post here for inclusion , but I might have a go in a bit if no one else with rights has volunteered to sort it out. I expect it needs a name and one ref replacing with the name. Sandpiper
{{editprotected}} Ok, I am suggesting pruning the external links section to the version below. I am even going to ask someone to please do it for me, despite the fact that somehow I can hear complaints already. Anyway. Could anyone with mystic powers please replace the existing external links section with the one here. The deleted items are either not very informative, or not very relevant. I have also amended the descriptions to be more informative. But I will understand if anyone responding to my quest to insert this feels it is too hot to handle. This is a pruning of items, so I hope the deletionists will not be upset.
Sandpiper 22:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Right, this has been here for 24 hours now, do we have any objections to the amended links? Sandpiper 22:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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"J.K. Rowling's Official Site (Animated version)"? It's the home page and has links to both the animated and text-only versions! Brian Jason Drake 07:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
www.jkrowling.com/en brings you right to the English version of her animated desktop.
Further to the discussion below, could someone please insert the following agreed text (copied to here from below with a couple of minor corrections to punctuation, ref format) into the article in substitution for the existing text of the section The meaning of Hallows: ( Sandpiper 19:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC))
When asked "What does 'Deathly Hallows' mean?" J.K. Rowling responded, "Any clarification of the meaning of 'Hallows' would give away too much of the story - well, it would, wouldn't it? Being the title and all. So I'm afraid I'm not answering." [1]. She also declined to say what her two other shortlisted titles had been, at least until after publication. The release of the title has resulted in considerable speculation amongst fans as to its possible meanings. [2]
Hallow is a word usually used as a verb, meaning "to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate". [3] However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the word hallows appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in " All Hallows' Day" or " All Saints' Day," which is the day after Halloween or "All Hallows' Eve". Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, the relics of gods, or shrines in which the relics are kept. [4] [5] Since the essence of these saints or gods were often considered present at their shrines and in their relics, hallows came to refer to the saints or gods themselves, rather than just their relics or shrines. So, the hallow (relic) of a hallow (saint) is hidden in a hallow (shrine). Hallow is not to be confused with hollow, such as in Godric's Hollow.
The word ‘hallows' has been used in a number of legends to represent important and powerful objects. [6] The Tuatha de Danaan in Ireland possessed six hallows, Manannan’s house, Goibniu’s shirt and tools, Lochlan’s helmet, Alba’s shears, a fishskin belt and Asal’s pig bones. These were guarded by four Guardians of the Hallows, Manannan, Lugh, Cumhal and Fionn. As the legend changed, the hallows became four objects; the spear of Lugh, Stone of Fal, Sword of Nuada and Dagda's Cauldron. These became the four suits in a pack of Tarot cards and took on the representation of the four magical elements, earth, air, fire and water. [7] The coronation ceremony for monarchs still contains four ritual objects, now represented as the sceptre, sword, ampulla of oil and crown. Similar objects also appear in Arthurian legends where the Fisher King is the guardian of four hallows; the sword, spear, dish and holy grail. [4] Earlier Arthurian legends also refer to a set of thirteen treasures of Britain.
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The title of the seventh book in other languages does not translate to 'Deathly Hallows', but usually to 'Deathly Saints'. Why isn't it taken for granted that 'Hallows'as Rowling means it refers to people? Curiousb0215 10:09 27 February 2007
Perhaps we should be researching Hallows.
What do people think of this as a possible reference? [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sandpiper ( talk • contribs) 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
From going through the debate above and researching Hallows a bit, it seems to me that in fact the word as used by Rowling is only extraordinary because it is archaic. The fact that most people had no idea before she used it about what it means does not change its established meaning. It might mean the remains of saints their surroundings, etc, or it might mean revered artefacts. I'm afraid I don't see this as OR at all. In fact, i really don't see the explanation in any way reliant upon the contents of book 7, or even really the other books. If the exercise had simply been, 'write a short essay explaining the meaning of hallows', then it would still have included arthur, Mr fisher king, and celtic heroes. None of this relies upon the plot of HP7 at all. Hallows is not being explained by use of the arthurian example because of HP7, but because it is the pre-eminent example. Views? Sandpiper 08:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
As a second point, in the hope of trying to break this problem into manageable issues. I was thinking about T-dot's suggestion of creating a separate Hallows article. My considered view is that at this time the only reason for creating such an article is because Rowling has used the word. As such, it would be a spun off article, which is really part of this one, and an important part. The only known part of the book 7 text is the title, and its meaning is a source of considerable confusion. It may be that in 6 months when an entirely different article to this one has been created about the book, that editors will think it worth placing the information here about Hallows into a separate article, if it has grown sufficiently. But at present I feel it belongs here, and it would be a gross omission not to have it here. Views? Sandpiper 08:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
What do people think about the following text?
==The meaning of "Hallows"==
When asked "What does 'Deathly Hallows' mean?" J.K. Rowling responded, "Any clarification of the meaning of 'Hallows' would give away too much of the story - well, it would, wouldn't it? Being the title and all. So I'm afraid I'm not answering." [8]. She also declined to say what her two other shortlisted titles had been, at least until after publication. The release of the title has resulted in considerable speculation amongst fans as to its possible meanings. [9]
Hallow is a word usually used as a verb, meaning "to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate". [10] However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the word hallows appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in " All Hallows' Day" or " All Saints' Day," which is the day after Halloween or "All Hallows' Eve". Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, the relics of gods, or shrines in which the relics are kept. [11], [12] Since the essence of these saints or gods were often considered present at their shrines and in their relics, hallows came to refer to the saints or gods themselves, rather than just their relics or shrines. So, the hallow (relic) of a hallow (saint) is hidden in a hallow (shrine). Hallow is not to be confused with hollow, such as in Godric's Hollow.
The word ‘hallows' has been used in a number of legends to represent important and powerful objects. [13] The Tuatha de Danaan in Ireland possessed six hallows, Manannan’s house, Goibniu’s shirt and tools, Lochlan’s helmet, Alba’s shears, a fishskin belt and Asal’s pig bones. These were guarded by four Guardians of the Hallows, Manannan, Lugh, Cumhal and Fionn. As the legend changed, the hallows became four objects; the spear of Lugh, Stone of Fal, Sword of Nuada and Dagda's Cauldron. These became the four suits in a pack of Tarot cards and took on the representation of the four magical elements, earth, air, fire and water. [14] The coronation ceremony for monarchs still contains four ritual objects, now represented as the sceptre, sword, ampulla of oil and crown. Similar objects also appear in Arthurian legends where the Fisher King is the guardian of four hallows; the sword, spear, dish and holy grail. [15] Earlier Arthurian legends also refer to a set of thirteen treasures of Britain.
Sandpiper 20:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There is another comment that could probably reasonably be made about the use of "hallows". Ostensibly it suggests a religious connection, but thus far the books have been solidly secular. To my mind (pure speculation) it suggestions that "hallows" will be given its own specific meaning in Rowling's wizarding world. -- Legis ( talk - contributions) 16:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
That's why I'm getting rid of all of them in the article, except titles! 208.126.51.37 ( talk) 21:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a redirect page titled "Harry potrer and the deathly haallow"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.53.21 ( talk) 15:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The phrases "HP1" to "HP7" redirect to the corresponding Potter books, but HP8 does not yet exist. I recommend creating it. A true eight novel (not a background book but a story) is being created by JKR. The only thing currently known about it is a chapter title: "First clash of the monolith". It is theorised to refer to the Ayers Rock, as Hermione still needs to go to Australia to recover her parents. 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 11:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
No way. An 800-word essay written for a charity auction does not constitute an "HP8 book". But it should probably be mentioned at the Harry Potter article - that seems to be the best fit for a location, unless it somehow becomes sufficiently notable to warrant its own article. The deletionists would have a (snow)ball with this. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 02:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
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