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It was apparent that there was another "order of the phoenix", but was scrapped later and entirely rewritten. However, there are clues from the scrapped manuscript that may be reused, including that the Dudley that bullied harry is the person that could have been very powerful because a person's power potentially increases as he/she does not perform his/her first spell until later years. Second, it was rumored, at least in the scripped copy, that Lily was indeed Voldermort's offspring, sort of illegitimately produced with a normal human. That was all I think.
PeaceNT recently removed my addition of the 7/7/07 theory. This would generally be acceptable, something I myself would endorse -- I am strongly for the removal of fan theory stuff. However, I chose to cite this theory with a reference from the New York Times, which goes on to suggest that this date is very appropriate for the release. I don't personally subscribe to this theory even, and had it been something like "BOOK 7 IS BEING RELEASED 7/7/07" I would have reverted it immediately. But suddenly the case is very different when the NYT talks about it. I'm just reporting the facts here, and I feel this is important and well verified enough to merit its mention. (Please note I'm on vacation with limited access to internet and may not be able to respond quickly.) -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this section go now that the release date has actually been set? -- Lulurascal 15:39, 3 Feb. 2007
Please Note: I have included promotional cover art for the UK version of the book, as seen on Amazon.co.uk - Hpfan9374 07:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen this a couple times now, on this page and others, so I thought I'd start a section on it here on the talk page. My understanding is that there is no confirmation on Fawkes being dead, that at the end of HBP the only hint at him being dead is the ambiguous thought of Harry's that the phoenix had "left Hogwarts" or something similar. Am I missing something? Is there any canonical reason to believe that Fawkes is actually dead? Scharferimage 04:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Everyone please: Amazon.com, BarnsAndNoble.com, Borders.com, and Your Local Bookstore are NOT reliable sources for announcing a release date. If you do a Google or Yahoo news search for NEWS ARTICLES on the release date, all the legitimate sources say the date is unannounced - even articles posted online in the last few hours. Just because Amazon.com posted a target ordering date of March 31, 2007 means nothing. Bookstores like this put a target date to try to get pre-orders, so they can gage demand and plan their own ordering volumes, and they are under no obligation to deliver anything. When a truly legitimate release date is officially announced, it will be widely reported and Verifiable by Reliable Sources such as Rowling's web site, her Publisher(s), and the news media such as the BBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. etc. etc., ad nauseum. The Wikipedia is not a "breaking news source" reporting the latest gossip - the Wikipedia is intended to be at least a semi-reliable source, where claims are easily and unambiguously verifiable. Even if March 31 is "true" and somebody knows it to be a fact, that is still not sufficient until it is clearly verifiable. Please, please resist the primal urges to jump up and post the latest gossip and material you hear about or find online somewhere from unreliable sources, as was recently done in this article here. Without an independant Reliable Source as described above, it shall be disallowed. Rules are Rules. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 03:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
BC-APNewsAlert,0038 LONDON AP - J.K. Rowling says Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the final installment in the series, will be published July 21.Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. AP-NY-02-01-07 0718EST
I have been looking at this edit to see whether it was good faith or not, as there was not comment and a large chunk of text removed. Frankly, I can't make heads or tails. I am tempted to revert it and ask that if anyone wants to reapply this edit it be done in smaller pieces , but most of all that it be discussed first here. Seems that many interesting tidbits were removed, even the ones that had citations to this interview or that one. Anyway, it is not my article, just one I ran into yesterday while on RC Patrol, so do what you will. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. 16:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Wiki article, it says that Harry was born one day after Neville, who was born on July 30th. However, I thought they shared the same birthday. I'd edit it myself, but I've kinda been scared into not editing things anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.40.234.172 ( talk • contribs).
Rowling clearly stated that Neville was born on July 30 and Harry on the next day. See http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=84. Thanks for not making the incorrect edit based on what you "thought". We try to keep things on the Wikipedia verifiable from reliable sources and avoid original research and speculation, unlike some of the Harry Potter Fan Sites which you may have been reading. If you have something to contribute to the Wikipedia, then please by all means do so: we welcome encyclopedic quality edits by newcomers. Be Bold! - just make sure you have a reference to a reliable source, or it might get reverted. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 01:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Can we/should we include in the plot details list of rumors that when the 6th book was translated to multiple languages, Regulas Black was the only name who's initials translated correctly as well? Whether or not this actually means it is 100% Black for sure is still debatable, but this information seems like it would fit in well. Brett 14:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Can somone clear up when the referance to 2010 was made as teh article states March 2007.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.208.77 ( talk • contribs)
Why does this title need a pronunciation guide? And why were the accessed dates removed from some of the sourcing tags? -- Milo H Minderbinder 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[2] I can't find any other reference to this movie, including on All Movie Guide. Brian Jason Drake 03:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
This was added by an anon user, and removed by an editor because it is OR. However, it is such excellent speculation I have decided to move it here, to the talk page. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 16:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Ever since the release of the title for book 7, many people have been speculating about the meaning of the title. Hallow is a word usually used as a verb. It means to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate. However, in the title, it appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in "All Hallows' Day" or "all Saints' Day," which is Halloween. Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, or the relics of heathen gods, or even holy relics. One place we can find hallows is in the grail legend. In the Grail legend, the Fisher King is the guardian of the four hallows, which include the Grail itself, the serving dish/or stone, the sword/or dagger, and the spear. Many scholars have since identified the connection of these four hallows with four treasures of the Tuatha de Danaan, which include a chalice (Grail), a baton or wand (spear), a pentacle (serving dish), and a sword. There has been much speculation about whether the grail legend might play a part in the final Harry Potter book. Many Harry Potter fans have seen a connection between the four founders of Hogwarts, their relics, and the four hallows in the grail legend. We know from the books that Gryffindor's relic is a sword, Hufflepuff's relic is a cup (chalice), and Slytherin's relic is a locket (pentacle). Thus, it has been suggested that Ravenclaw's relic must be a wand or staff. We also know that Harry Potter must find four horcruxes, and that Voldemort wanted a relic from each of the four founders. These are interesting connections, but only the final book will prove or disprove this connection.
This section, "The meaning of hallows," has got to go. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; Wiktionary is. Hallows should be linked as [[wikt:hallows]]
in the lead. I would have removed the whole section but the link to the Lexicon's essay is legit, and I'm not immediately sure where to put that. --
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Maybe it should remain as the meaning pertaining to the title of the book but be a little less dictionaryish (is that a word)as well as less verbose. I am surprised however that no one has mentioned that it might have some relation to Godric's Hollow. I'm sure the Hollows in the title of the book is supposed to have more than one meaning. Jay--Feb 2, 2007
It was just an idea, but thanks for being a dick about it. I'm sure your interpretation is the only correct one. But, FYI, in literature things that often have seemingly no connection are put together to get different or multiple meanings. Such as Deathly Hallows which basically means Fatal Saints. That is counterintuitive since saints are traditionally not known as being fatal but rather thought of as being good people. The same can be said for a title like "Heart of Darkness" because it can have different interpretations and meanings and was intended as so. BTW, one of my undergrad degrees is in English Lit and I do also have a Master's degree so I might know more than you think. Jay--Feb 2, 2007
Alright, maybe "Heart of Darkness" wasn't the best example. How 'bout "Waiting for Godot?" Yes they're waiting on a guy named Godot but it's obviously God that they are waiting on. Sometimes words and meanings are changed or mispelled on purpose in order to make a point. For instance the title and the whole meaning of "Catcher in the Rye" is based on Holden's misunderstanding of the true words to the poem. Get the point? Or are you going to continue to be an obtuse jerk about it? Jay--Feb 2, 2007
If he's gonna be a dick about it, I'm gonna call him a dick. He'd rather elude the obious point (or maybe he doesn't understand it) by relating Catcher to cashier because he can't admit that others might have a valid opinion. As for it not being cited or encyclopedic; this whole article is speculation since it's about an as yet unpublished book. But I'm sure Micha Elsanders' opinion is the only one that's correct, because I know that I'm not as big a Harry Potter geek as he is.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.86.50 ( talk • contribs)
Because you were being a dick. You said "The connection has been made over and over..." yadda yadda yadda, yes you're the expert on all things Harry Potter and no one else has anything new or worthwhile to say. Maybe if your response had been a little more understanding and less self important then, I might not have felt like hurling insults no matter how true the insult is. I tell ya, you people are waaaaaaay too self involved here.
Oh My GOD! What a mess. This is all speculation. The page on the Goblet Of Fire doesn't define the word goblet or that fire has evil connotations. This section is totally unnecesary and is clearly original research. Using weasel words like "Some people think the title means...." would be just as bad because it is unciteable, the referance you could put for it would be this talk page. Defining the word hallows because some people think it means hollow and need to be corrected is fair enough, but a long rambling discussion on how literature often uses words that are similar to imply an inherant connection so therefore there might be a link between Godric's Hollow and the Deathly Hallows... That is clearly speculation. Simondrake 21:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
This is getting a little out of hand, nasty, and uncivil. Please be considerate to others, even if you disagree. It should be noted that while some of the section is speculation, it is cited speculation, and that is what is important. The encyclopedia article is not reinventing the wheel, just stating how others reinvented the wheel. In addition, most of it is actually literary analysis of what has already been written by Rowling (such as the connection between the four founders and the four grail hallows, this connection was seen before the title came out, and further confirmed by her wording of the title). Nevertheless, the point is that it is cited by reliable sources (where the reliable sources also cite their work). The previous responses here were why I thought this section necessary. Many people (educated people as well) do not know the meaning of hallows. It's not unless you have studied grail legends and old British and Irish legends, that you really understand the term and where it originally comes from.---- Lulurascal 13:42, 2 February 2007
July 21 2007. I don't have time right now to rework the article, but we now have reliable sources. Bloomsbury.com and Scholastic.com are probably the most reliable. Please keep it tight folks! -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 12:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
"'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows' by J. K. Rowling will be published around the world in the English language on Saturday, 21st July 2007." -- 65.61.193.89 16:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I just got an email from Barnes and Noble about a pre-order. Can we use that cover image? image - Searles2sels (PJ) 16:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I've requested semiprotection for this page for a couple days, meaning that anonymous users and new users won't be able to edit it. Hopefully if it's granted it will cut down on the adding and reverting of info already in the article. We'll see what happens. -- Milo H Minderbinder 00:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Now that the release date is official, exactly what else on this page do you feel needs protecting? That is, what needs it more than every other page on WP that is vandalized on a daily basis? -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 00:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I find this sentence to be a bit ridiculous:
However, she has said that an encyclopedia of the Wizarding world based on her copious notes may be published in the future, possibly for charity similar to her two other Harry Potter charity books.
The term "two" has nothing to do with Quidditch Through the Ages. The term "other" has nothing to do with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Brian Jason Drake 08:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if the "Writing progress" section should just go away now. Most of the information in it is rather dated and no longer of any real interest. The Airport Fiasco may be of some interest to keep, perhaps in a trivia section, but the rest seems forced and breathless "news as it happens!" cruft. The only reason for having it in there in the first place was because we wanted to have SOMETHING there in lieu of a firm release date, a surrogate as it were, something more encyclopedic than the date speculations posted at the fan forum sites. The section simply provided some sort of reliable evidence that the book was being written mostly during 2006, and was expected to be released in 2007.
By the way - where are all the bookshop owner assistants and stock boys who had absolutely reliable "inside information" from their suppliers that the book would come out on 07/07/07 (due to the "magical nature of 7"), or 3/31/07 because Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com posted that target date for pre-orders, or 07/14/07 because the riots were on 07/07/06, or on JK/Harry's "birthday" on 07/31/07? Funny - I don't recall anyone insisting that they heard it was 07/21/07. Wherever those folks are hiding now, I hope that now they can understand and respect why it is that we refused to allow them to post their speculations and false gossip here. Even if they had guessed right, or if JK had told them directly herself, it would not have been appropriate to post that information until it came out publicly. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 10:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I've just read this article and I must tell you that someone edited it writing nonsense; here it is:
"harry potter 7 is going to be about Ron, Hermoine snd Harry Potter eating horcruxes. They discover that Dumbledore did not die...he only passed away.Then they discover a horryfying discovery to discover...VOLDERMORT IS A GIRL!!! AHHHHH!!!!"
Perhaps because I didn't sign in, I'm not able to edit that part of the article, so someone help me! Edit it and cancel those stupid news! Thank you very much 87.24.15.6 12:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)Your Italian Hades
Could somebody add the release date, July 21st, 2007, to the article? It would make it more accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halleedwards ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
My question revert's to the fact that it is widly spread that Harry Potter will die in the seventh book. i wonder if that is true just out of curiousity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.49.221 ( talk) 00:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
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Rowling did say she was statled by elements which had got into the movie because of future events, or something to that effect, in the interview with her included on the published DVD. I'm not sure she explained exactly which scene she meant. Sandpiper 08:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit by 82.206.131.163 as follows:
Obviously the edit needing improvement to stay, but it seems like an interesting point and I've verified that she has said this at her online diary. The precise quote is:
However I can't see how to reference this properly, as she seems to replace the old text with the new each time she updates the diary, with no permalink.
Any ideas?
I've already added this tidbit in the introduction, and referenced it. --- Lulurascal
I just reinserted some of the stuff pruned from the article recently. This mainly seems to have affected the section on ongoing plot. While I did not think it sensible to put back half of what had been removed, we do need to have a section which states the straightforward bits of what has to happen because of events already begun in the last book. It may seem obvious to say that Harry has to fight Voldemort and destroy his horcruxes, but the article would be seriously incomplete without explaining this very basic part of the plot. Sandpiper 23:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Where the article has it that Dumbledore
says that just as Voldemort cannot die while his soul fragments remain, Voldemort cannot kill Harry because he used Harry's blood (which carries the ancient magical protection his mother gave to him through her sacrifice years before) in his resurrection
--can someone with the book before them confirm this? Because if that's the case, then the final confrontation between the two was a sham - there was no way that Voldemore could've killed Harry then, either. Don't want to get into a discussion of the book per se, just don't think this is accurate. -- Andersonblog ( talk) 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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It was apparent that there was another "order of the phoenix", but was scrapped later and entirely rewritten. However, there are clues from the scrapped manuscript that may be reused, including that the Dudley that bullied harry is the person that could have been very powerful because a person's power potentially increases as he/she does not perform his/her first spell until later years. Second, it was rumored, at least in the scripped copy, that Lily was indeed Voldermort's offspring, sort of illegitimately produced with a normal human. That was all I think.
PeaceNT recently removed my addition of the 7/7/07 theory. This would generally be acceptable, something I myself would endorse -- I am strongly for the removal of fan theory stuff. However, I chose to cite this theory with a reference from the New York Times, which goes on to suggest that this date is very appropriate for the release. I don't personally subscribe to this theory even, and had it been something like "BOOK 7 IS BEING RELEASED 7/7/07" I would have reverted it immediately. But suddenly the case is very different when the NYT talks about it. I'm just reporting the facts here, and I feel this is important and well verified enough to merit its mention. (Please note I'm on vacation with limited access to internet and may not be able to respond quickly.) -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this section go now that the release date has actually been set? -- Lulurascal 15:39, 3 Feb. 2007
Please Note: I have included promotional cover art for the UK version of the book, as seen on Amazon.co.uk - Hpfan9374 07:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen this a couple times now, on this page and others, so I thought I'd start a section on it here on the talk page. My understanding is that there is no confirmation on Fawkes being dead, that at the end of HBP the only hint at him being dead is the ambiguous thought of Harry's that the phoenix had "left Hogwarts" or something similar. Am I missing something? Is there any canonical reason to believe that Fawkes is actually dead? Scharferimage 04:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Everyone please: Amazon.com, BarnsAndNoble.com, Borders.com, and Your Local Bookstore are NOT reliable sources for announcing a release date. If you do a Google or Yahoo news search for NEWS ARTICLES on the release date, all the legitimate sources say the date is unannounced - even articles posted online in the last few hours. Just because Amazon.com posted a target ordering date of March 31, 2007 means nothing. Bookstores like this put a target date to try to get pre-orders, so they can gage demand and plan their own ordering volumes, and they are under no obligation to deliver anything. When a truly legitimate release date is officially announced, it will be widely reported and Verifiable by Reliable Sources such as Rowling's web site, her Publisher(s), and the news media such as the BBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. etc. etc., ad nauseum. The Wikipedia is not a "breaking news source" reporting the latest gossip - the Wikipedia is intended to be at least a semi-reliable source, where claims are easily and unambiguously verifiable. Even if March 31 is "true" and somebody knows it to be a fact, that is still not sufficient until it is clearly verifiable. Please, please resist the primal urges to jump up and post the latest gossip and material you hear about or find online somewhere from unreliable sources, as was recently done in this article here. Without an independant Reliable Source as described above, it shall be disallowed. Rules are Rules. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 03:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
BC-APNewsAlert,0038 LONDON AP - J.K. Rowling says Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the final installment in the series, will be published July 21.Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. AP-NY-02-01-07 0718EST
I have been looking at this edit to see whether it was good faith or not, as there was not comment and a large chunk of text removed. Frankly, I can't make heads or tails. I am tempted to revert it and ask that if anyone wants to reapply this edit it be done in smaller pieces , but most of all that it be discussed first here. Seems that many interesting tidbits were removed, even the ones that had citations to this interview or that one. Anyway, it is not my article, just one I ran into yesterday while on RC Patrol, so do what you will. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. 16:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Wiki article, it says that Harry was born one day after Neville, who was born on July 30th. However, I thought they shared the same birthday. I'd edit it myself, but I've kinda been scared into not editing things anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.40.234.172 ( talk • contribs).
Rowling clearly stated that Neville was born on July 30 and Harry on the next day. See http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=84. Thanks for not making the incorrect edit based on what you "thought". We try to keep things on the Wikipedia verifiable from reliable sources and avoid original research and speculation, unlike some of the Harry Potter Fan Sites which you may have been reading. If you have something to contribute to the Wikipedia, then please by all means do so: we welcome encyclopedic quality edits by newcomers. Be Bold! - just make sure you have a reference to a reliable source, or it might get reverted. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 01:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Can we/should we include in the plot details list of rumors that when the 6th book was translated to multiple languages, Regulas Black was the only name who's initials translated correctly as well? Whether or not this actually means it is 100% Black for sure is still debatable, but this information seems like it would fit in well. Brett 14:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Can somone clear up when the referance to 2010 was made as teh article states March 2007.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.208.77 ( talk • contribs)
Why does this title need a pronunciation guide? And why were the accessed dates removed from some of the sourcing tags? -- Milo H Minderbinder 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[2] I can't find any other reference to this movie, including on All Movie Guide. Brian Jason Drake 03:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
This was added by an anon user, and removed by an editor because it is OR. However, it is such excellent speculation I have decided to move it here, to the talk page. -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 16:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Ever since the release of the title for book 7, many people have been speculating about the meaning of the title. Hallow is a word usually used as a verb. It means to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate. However, in the title, it appears as a noun. In modern English, the word is used as a noun in "All Hallows' Day" or "all Saints' Day," which is Halloween. Hallows can refer to saints, the relics of saints, or the relics of heathen gods, or even holy relics. One place we can find hallows is in the grail legend. In the Grail legend, the Fisher King is the guardian of the four hallows, which include the Grail itself, the serving dish/or stone, the sword/or dagger, and the spear. Many scholars have since identified the connection of these four hallows with four treasures of the Tuatha de Danaan, which include a chalice (Grail), a baton or wand (spear), a pentacle (serving dish), and a sword. There has been much speculation about whether the grail legend might play a part in the final Harry Potter book. Many Harry Potter fans have seen a connection between the four founders of Hogwarts, their relics, and the four hallows in the grail legend. We know from the books that Gryffindor's relic is a sword, Hufflepuff's relic is a cup (chalice), and Slytherin's relic is a locket (pentacle). Thus, it has been suggested that Ravenclaw's relic must be a wand or staff. We also know that Harry Potter must find four horcruxes, and that Voldemort wanted a relic from each of the four founders. These are interesting connections, but only the final book will prove or disprove this connection.
This section, "The meaning of hallows," has got to go. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; Wiktionary is. Hallows should be linked as [[wikt:hallows]]
in the lead. I would have removed the whole section but the link to the Lexicon's essay is legit, and I'm not immediately sure where to put that. --
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Maybe it should remain as the meaning pertaining to the title of the book but be a little less dictionaryish (is that a word)as well as less verbose. I am surprised however that no one has mentioned that it might have some relation to Godric's Hollow. I'm sure the Hollows in the title of the book is supposed to have more than one meaning. Jay--Feb 2, 2007
It was just an idea, but thanks for being a dick about it. I'm sure your interpretation is the only correct one. But, FYI, in literature things that often have seemingly no connection are put together to get different or multiple meanings. Such as Deathly Hallows which basically means Fatal Saints. That is counterintuitive since saints are traditionally not known as being fatal but rather thought of as being good people. The same can be said for a title like "Heart of Darkness" because it can have different interpretations and meanings and was intended as so. BTW, one of my undergrad degrees is in English Lit and I do also have a Master's degree so I might know more than you think. Jay--Feb 2, 2007
Alright, maybe "Heart of Darkness" wasn't the best example. How 'bout "Waiting for Godot?" Yes they're waiting on a guy named Godot but it's obviously God that they are waiting on. Sometimes words and meanings are changed or mispelled on purpose in order to make a point. For instance the title and the whole meaning of "Catcher in the Rye" is based on Holden's misunderstanding of the true words to the poem. Get the point? Or are you going to continue to be an obtuse jerk about it? Jay--Feb 2, 2007
If he's gonna be a dick about it, I'm gonna call him a dick. He'd rather elude the obious point (or maybe he doesn't understand it) by relating Catcher to cashier because he can't admit that others might have a valid opinion. As for it not being cited or encyclopedic; this whole article is speculation since it's about an as yet unpublished book. But I'm sure Micha Elsanders' opinion is the only one that's correct, because I know that I'm not as big a Harry Potter geek as he is.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.86.50 ( talk • contribs)
Because you were being a dick. You said "The connection has been made over and over..." yadda yadda yadda, yes you're the expert on all things Harry Potter and no one else has anything new or worthwhile to say. Maybe if your response had been a little more understanding and less self important then, I might not have felt like hurling insults no matter how true the insult is. I tell ya, you people are waaaaaaay too self involved here.
Oh My GOD! What a mess. This is all speculation. The page on the Goblet Of Fire doesn't define the word goblet or that fire has evil connotations. This section is totally unnecesary and is clearly original research. Using weasel words like "Some people think the title means...." would be just as bad because it is unciteable, the referance you could put for it would be this talk page. Defining the word hallows because some people think it means hollow and need to be corrected is fair enough, but a long rambling discussion on how literature often uses words that are similar to imply an inherant connection so therefore there might be a link between Godric's Hollow and the Deathly Hallows... That is clearly speculation. Simondrake 21:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
This is getting a little out of hand, nasty, and uncivil. Please be considerate to others, even if you disagree. It should be noted that while some of the section is speculation, it is cited speculation, and that is what is important. The encyclopedia article is not reinventing the wheel, just stating how others reinvented the wheel. In addition, most of it is actually literary analysis of what has already been written by Rowling (such as the connection between the four founders and the four grail hallows, this connection was seen before the title came out, and further confirmed by her wording of the title). Nevertheless, the point is that it is cited by reliable sources (where the reliable sources also cite their work). The previous responses here were why I thought this section necessary. Many people (educated people as well) do not know the meaning of hallows. It's not unless you have studied grail legends and old British and Irish legends, that you really understand the term and where it originally comes from.---- Lulurascal 13:42, 2 February 2007
July 21 2007. I don't have time right now to rework the article, but we now have reliable sources. Bloomsbury.com and Scholastic.com are probably the most reliable. Please keep it tight folks! -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 12:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
"'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows' by J. K. Rowling will be published around the world in the English language on Saturday, 21st July 2007." -- 65.61.193.89 16:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I just got an email from Barnes and Noble about a pre-order. Can we use that cover image? image - Searles2sels (PJ) 16:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I've requested semiprotection for this page for a couple days, meaning that anonymous users and new users won't be able to edit it. Hopefully if it's granted it will cut down on the adding and reverting of info already in the article. We'll see what happens. -- Milo H Minderbinder 00:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Now that the release date is official, exactly what else on this page do you feel needs protecting? That is, what needs it more than every other page on WP that is vandalized on a daily basis? -- Bill W. Smith, Jr. ( talk/ contribs) 00:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I find this sentence to be a bit ridiculous:
However, she has said that an encyclopedia of the Wizarding world based on her copious notes may be published in the future, possibly for charity similar to her two other Harry Potter charity books.
The term "two" has nothing to do with Quidditch Through the Ages. The term "other" has nothing to do with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Brian Jason Drake 08:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if the "Writing progress" section should just go away now. Most of the information in it is rather dated and no longer of any real interest. The Airport Fiasco may be of some interest to keep, perhaps in a trivia section, but the rest seems forced and breathless "news as it happens!" cruft. The only reason for having it in there in the first place was because we wanted to have SOMETHING there in lieu of a firm release date, a surrogate as it were, something more encyclopedic than the date speculations posted at the fan forum sites. The section simply provided some sort of reliable evidence that the book was being written mostly during 2006, and was expected to be released in 2007.
By the way - where are all the bookshop owner assistants and stock boys who had absolutely reliable "inside information" from their suppliers that the book would come out on 07/07/07 (due to the "magical nature of 7"), or 3/31/07 because Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com posted that target date for pre-orders, or 07/14/07 because the riots were on 07/07/06, or on JK/Harry's "birthday" on 07/31/07? Funny - I don't recall anyone insisting that they heard it was 07/21/07. Wherever those folks are hiding now, I hope that now they can understand and respect why it is that we refused to allow them to post their speculations and false gossip here. Even if they had guessed right, or if JK had told them directly herself, it would not have been appropriate to post that information until it came out publicly. -- T-dot ( Talk | contribs) 10:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I've just read this article and I must tell you that someone edited it writing nonsense; here it is:
"harry potter 7 is going to be about Ron, Hermoine snd Harry Potter eating horcruxes. They discover that Dumbledore did not die...he only passed away.Then they discover a horryfying discovery to discover...VOLDERMORT IS A GIRL!!! AHHHHH!!!!"
Perhaps because I didn't sign in, I'm not able to edit that part of the article, so someone help me! Edit it and cancel those stupid news! Thank you very much 87.24.15.6 12:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)Your Italian Hades
Could somebody add the release date, July 21st, 2007, to the article? It would make it more accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halleedwards ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
My question revert's to the fact that it is widly spread that Harry Potter will die in the seventh book. i wonder if that is true just out of curiousity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.65.49.221 ( talk) 00:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
contribs) 01:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Rowling did say she was statled by elements which had got into the movie because of future events, or something to that effect, in the interview with her included on the published DVD. I'm not sure she explained exactly which scene she meant. Sandpiper 08:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit by 82.206.131.163 as follows:
Obviously the edit needing improvement to stay, but it seems like an interesting point and I've verified that she has said this at her online diary. The precise quote is:
However I can't see how to reference this properly, as she seems to replace the old text with the new each time she updates the diary, with no permalink.
Any ideas?
I've already added this tidbit in the introduction, and referenced it. --- Lulurascal
I just reinserted some of the stuff pruned from the article recently. This mainly seems to have affected the section on ongoing plot. While I did not think it sensible to put back half of what had been removed, we do need to have a section which states the straightforward bits of what has to happen because of events already begun in the last book. It may seem obvious to say that Harry has to fight Voldemort and destroy his horcruxes, but the article would be seriously incomplete without explaining this very basic part of the plot. Sandpiper 23:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Where the article has it that Dumbledore
says that just as Voldemort cannot die while his soul fragments remain, Voldemort cannot kill Harry because he used Harry's blood (which carries the ancient magical protection his mother gave to him through her sacrifice years before) in his resurrection
--can someone with the book before them confirm this? Because if that's the case, then the final confrontation between the two was a sham - there was no way that Voldemore could've killed Harry then, either. Don't want to get into a discussion of the book per se, just don't think this is accurate. -- Andersonblog ( talk) 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)