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What about the rumours that Voldemort kills Harry but dies also as they share blood?
PENIS be changed before the book is actually published. In fact, it's been about five years since that interview, so it's probably been changed already.
Could in the most recent interview with rowling on the leaky cauldron website.
She has planned this far ahead since she has stated numerous times that she has outlined in detail the story for all 7 harry potter books. In addition she has stated she has written the final chapter already since it is an epilogue of sorts, however it is likeley to change.
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As the page got larger the division into 'fact' and 'speculation' made less sense. Instead I separated out the statements made by the author outside the book from the rest then divided up the speculation into strong statements made at the end of book 6 and the facts known about each of the remaining horcruxes.
The Dumbledore speculation should be removed from the general additional speculation section and given its own section.
Could the author or another like-minded individual please rephrase that last few sentences in Snape. I am utterly confused as to the meaning of the phrases
"One curious fact that requires explanation is that Dumbledore trusts Snape despite all evidence. This could be explained if Snape was merely just fulfilling his end of the unbreakable vow, and Dumbledore needed him to help Harry. But this would only come at the end of book 7 while it is clear that Dumbledore has had a powerful reason to trust Snape since he first renounced Voldemort. Applying the principle of least new mechanism did Snape make an unbreakable vow to Dumbledore? If Snape had refused to take in Book 7 his cover would be blown."
Fix'd. -- Geg 19:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Someone enlighten me...How did Snape get into Slytherin if he was half-blooded?
You do not have to be a pure blood to be a member of Slytherin - look at Tom Riddle. He was a half-blood, and one of Slytherin's prefects (presumabley, seeing that he became head boy) -- Stretch 01:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
For which side Professor Snape is on, should be gauged from which of the two wizards, Albus Dumbledore or Tom Marvolo Riddle is more intelligent to get a better vow from Severus Snape. - User:Atif.Hussain
I strongly disagree with how the prophecy is written as a conundrum on the Rumors section. It says "neither can live while the other survives". Not "neither can live if one survives". "While the other survives" indicates that neither will be able to live while their opposite survives. However, the way it's explained there seems to point it more towards neither being able to survive if one lives: meaning if one lives, that one must die soon anyway, which is no where close to what the Prophecy actually says. -- Geg 17:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree, the interpretation is bogus. I think though that further discussion is required. In particular the prophecy strongly suggests that there is a strong form of ethereal bond between Harry and Voldemort. So far the only mechanism we have heard about is the horcrux. The death of Dumbledore appears to close the door to the introduction of significant additional magical paraphenalia. This strongly suggests to me that Harry's scar is an accidental horcrux. Harry cannot live while he carries part of Voldemort's soul in his scar. Voldemort cannot 'live' with his soul split in pieces.
However, an act of murder is required to create another horcrux, and Dumbledore implicitly said that Voldemort had intended to create one by killing Harry, but Harry lived. This would appear to contradict this theory. Travisritch 15:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
This interpretation is further reinforced by other statements made by Dumbledore. In particular the statement that the only reason that the prophecy will come true is that Voldemort acted on it and attempted to murder Harry. I do not think it likely that Harry himself is the Horcrux since it would imply that Voldemort has taken over his body.
I think it is possible that while the "Neither" of the prophecy refers to Harry and Voldemort, "the other" refers to a third party. This could mean that if a third person (possibly Dumbledore) remained living, then "neither" Harry nor Voldemort would survive. This could support the idea that Dumbledore's death was no accident.
Do you think Snape thought that and acted along the prophecy that way? Or the unbreakable vow could have fulfilled the prophecy?
Please, to all users, do not insert statements such as "I think that," or "J.K. Rowling would never do this" in the main page. Doing so takes this article and turns it from a thinly-veiled excuse for Harry Potter fan-speculation to run rampant in wikipedia and turns it into an outright discussion board. Please save discussion and your own interpretation/thoughts for this talk page, and leave statements - other than very strong conjectures and confirmed facts about the book- off the main entry. jglc | t | c 20:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm cleaning out all the original research from the article. It's simple. Anything in here has to be a confirmed fact or a theory originated elsewhere. Our thoughts aren't notable. Anything non-cited is going away. If you want to add speculation, put it in with a note that it is a theory perpetuated by so-and-so. I.E. if you are just theorizing that Hagrid will die, don't put "There is a possibility that Hagrid will die. It would serve to completely demoralize Harry." However, if you find a well-written argument say, "Some fans, such as NAME HERE, have theorized that Hagrid would die. They argue that ..." Then put a citation in the reference section. This is necessary to keep the article from becoming a rumor mill/discussion board. Superm401 | Talk 03:42, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well you could have raised the issue on the discussion page first. Most of what you deleted is merely a list of the plot elements that have been conspicuously left open at the end of book six. It is not speculation to observe that at the end of book six there are four remaining horcruxes that must be destroyed before Voldemort is killed. The edits you removed all sumarize what is known about the four remaining horcruxes based on citations to the original text itself. On the other hand what you left is mostly unsupported speculation and wild theories. It seems to me that you are doing the exact opposite of what you claim to be doing and using the NOR as an excuse.
(Plot spoilers)
More information will be given about what happened at the fight between Lord Voldemort and Harry's parents (as fragments are scattered throughout the previous volumes).
Harry returns to his uncle and aunt (as he says he will), goes to the wedding mentioned in the Half-blood Prince and visits his parents' graves. (Not necessarily in this order.) The meaning of Dumbledore's remarks about Dursley made to the latter's parents will be revealed.
The remaing Horcruxes will be revealed as will the identity of R.A.B. (who may be dead/have destroyed the the Horcrux obtained).
There will be a final conflict between HP and Lord V.
Harry would likely have at least one conversation with Dumbledore via his newly placed painting. From past conversations with other ex-Headmasters' paintings, it stands to reason that Dumbledore could clear up a lot of confusion should Harry simply ask his painting. Gudlyf | Talk 15:00, September 21, 2005 (EST)
Also:
There will be a lot of speculation about what will happen in the story, a few leaks in the run up to publication - and the actual story will be quite different from all the speculation.
Add to the above list as appropriate.
Harry will also have to learn occlmency and get his apparition licence as well. Harry1991
I think that this entire section is irrelevant and always has been. Anyone who has got to book 6 knows what the routine at Hogwarts is. The last chapter of Book 6 plus the fact that wizards come of age at 17 are clearly intended to prepare the audience for the probability that Book 7 is not centered on the Hogwarts term. Too much space is spent telling us about items that are almost certainly irrelevant.
An error in the above last entry - he distinctly states he is going back to the Dursleys (as Dumbledore said he would have to before he was 17). It is Hogwarts that is the ambiguous destination
MA: You said that during the writing of book six something caused you fiendish glee. Do you remember what that was? JKR: Oh, god. [Long silence as Jo thinks.] What was it? It wasn't really vindictive [laughter] – that was more of a figure of speech. I know what I've enjoyed writing – you know Luna's commentary during the Quidditch match? [Laughter.] It was that. I really enjoyed doing that. Actually I really enjoyed doing that. You know, that was the last Quidditch match. I knew as I wrote it that it was the last time I was going to be doing a Quidditch match. To be honest with you, Quidditch matches have been the bane of my life in the Harry Potter books. They are necessary in that people expect Harry to play Quidditch, but there is a limit to how many ways you can have them play Quidditch together and for something new to happen. And then I had this moment of blinding inspiration. I thought, Luna’s going to commentate, and that was just a gift. It’s the kind of commentary I’d do on a sports match because I'm — [laughs]. Anyway yeah, it was that.
Above someone has put what I think is the answer to your question, that Harry goes back to speak to Dumbledore's painting and possibly find a horcrux. Also as another idea would lily and james be at hogwarts when voldemort came to see dumbledore?
Graham1991 17:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I can see that there are going to be reams of archives before even the name of the next book is announced.
Harry Potter and the Quest for the Centaur is on the list twice. Should it be changed or is there a reason for both of them.
oops...never mind. I see it has an S on one of them.
I do not believe the current version of the page is unreadable. Please explain why you do and we can come to a mutually agreed-upon layout. Do not revert without discussion. Superm401 | Talk 16:50, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
1. It has no paragraphs.
2. It includes information that are irrelevant or very well-known or have nothing to do with the issue at hand -- examples: "a deceased headmaster of Hogwarts" as description of Albus Dumbledore and "who have harassed him his entire life" accompanying the Dursleys. This helps crowd the text even more.
3. It more than once repeats the refrain: "If Harry's plans are unchanged" or statement to that effect. Isn't once good enough?
4. It mixes in a haphazard and chaotic manner the immediate plans of Harry with guesswork about what will happen to Hogwarts school and its students, depending on the Governors' decisions.
5. It doesn't follow any sort of reasonable sequence, either of importance or of timeline -- We're told about seemingly insignificant elements like the Apparition test or the Bill-Fleur wedding before we're told about the Horcruxes and the final confrontation with Voldemort -- and only after we're told about this conlusion we're then told about the visit to Godric's hollow. So, what's the exact sequence you were trying to follow here?
6. You are mixing motivation, supposition and possible consequences in an unorganized manner (e.g. about killing Snape, or whether he'll be isolated from the rest of his friends) Even if he doesn't go back to Hogwarts that doesn't mean he won't be in contact with the people there. And Harry never actually stated that he'll kill Snape. Aris Katsaris 17:27, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Superm401 | Talk 18:07, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
8. You combine without distinction elements that come from authorial statements with elements that reader have inferred from the 6th book.
9. Your section "Key Elements" is meaninglessly titled. Aren't all the previous bits we mentioned (horcruxes, Godric's Hollow etc) key elements also? It seems you're using this section to insert everything you couldn't find a place elsewhere, and you didn't even know how to call it.
I'm not gonna revert again, because then I'll be breaking several guidelines, but since it's a british book, it really should be the british spelling: licence is the noun, license is the verb; so they will get a licence to apparate. Apologies for being a grammar nazi :) 9cds 21:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
The article states that the author has stated:
My first reaction is that it should say "last year" instead of "last 2 years" since this is about book seven. However, Harry apparently won't be at Hogwarts at all in book seven. I don't want to change it in case it's a quote. -- 1pezguy 02:09, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
JKR has talked about people learning magic late in life. In early interviews she said that a character who is non-magical would preform magic late in life under stress and that this is a very rare occurrence. That must have been 68.32.206.174 was referring to. I could find quotes on QQQ or Scoops if someone really wants them. Cmouse 22:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
How can there be spoilers about something not published yet? Simple - she's said things about what happens in the book, not to mention that this page spoils the previous books no end. David Arthur 13:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I can't really think of a nice way to say this, so I'll just say it. The "outstanding questions" section of this article is getting a little... well, riddikulus. Are some of these questions really all that outstanding or notable? I'm really stuck when I see some of these questions—they make me want to throw up my hands in exasperation. Can we enter into a discussion about what to remove (or how to determine what is not notable enough to keep in), or should I just give up and stop looking at edits to this article, just so I don't go insane? -- D e ath phoenix 12:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I read somewhere that JKR has said there will be no new characters in Book 7. But it's not under the list in the article. Please confirm this. Jam2k 11:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a better idea to number the outstanding questions list so that it would be easier to refer to them and discuss in the future?? Just a passing thought :-) Jam2k 09:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
From the "Statements by the author about book seven" section: It is very important that Harry has his mother's eyes, and that her wand was good for charms. Well, this seems stupid. Does anyone have an evidence that JK Rowling actually said that?
I recall seeing that quote attributed to JK Rowling under the 'Book 6 & 7' section on Muggle.net. Unfortunately, they've updated their site and and seem to have removed all quotes and known facts about Book 6 in favour of a section dedicated to book 7 -- Stretch 07:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
From "J.K. Rowling interview transcript, The Connection (WBUR Radio), 12 October, 1999"
"Hi, I really like the books and we already learned a lot about Harry’s father and I was wondering ‘Are we going to learn a lot about his mother?’ JKR: Yeah, you will. It’s ---- yet again ---- you won’t find out ---- OK, in Book 3 you’re absolutely right. You find out a lot about Harry’s father. Now the important thing about Harry’s mother, the really, really significant thing, you’re going to find out in 2 parts.You’ll find out a lot more about her in Book 5, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5, then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7. But I can’t tell you what those things are so I’m sorry, but yes, you will find out more about her because both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do."
This came from a radio interview Rowling did after the release of PoA. On madamscoop.org it was summarised to "The fact that Harry has his mother’s eyes is very important to a future book." -- Stretch 04:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I have been bold and taken the liberty of removing this section. Wikipedia is not a fan forum. H e rmione 1980 00:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Then what is it then?
I know it's an encyclopedia, but can't we put our own opinions and see what other people think?-- Daniel O 16:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone want to insert the information about Book Seven included in this interview or its original form in the recent (printed) issue of Tatler? (To my knowledge, the former is excerpts from the latter but I'm not sure.) See also this page. Adam78 18:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I added a clean up sign to this section, its very hard to follow and the information is repeated several times. Raemie 21:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to reiterate Hermione1980's comment: Wikipedia is not a fan forum. If you want to speculate and question, please bring it to a fan site. Me, Hermione1980, and a few other people are getting pushed to the edge of simply reverting any edits that ignore our pleas. -- D e ath phoenix 21:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
How many times do I have to say this? Wikipedia is not a fan forum. If you want to talk about your theories, crazy or otherwise, take it to a fansite. We don't want it here. I apologise for sounding so frustrated, but it's very annoying when I keep saying these things over and over and nobody listens. H e rmione 1980 19:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Hermione1980, I asked the Wikipedia Bootcamp where I can put my own opinions and they said I can put it on the discussion pages, and not being rude or anything but I'll like to be able to do that because Hermione1980 keeps on deleting everything I put down. Again not being rude but I would rather no one delete this so that Hermione1980 can reply.-- Daniel O 17:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for everything, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh and I'll make sure I don't put any rubbish on Wikipedia.-- Daniel O 17:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Are you complaining about Hermione1980 or not?
No offence Hemione1980, but I don't like what you do deleting everything I put on countless occaisions. I want to put up a vote if Hermione1980 should stop doing what she is doing.
Just to jump in here a bit, but Hermione1980 and Deathphoenix are absolutely correct to remove speculation from both the articles and the Talk pages. The intent of the encyclopedia is a whole is to provide a balanced, accurate, cited reference work. Unfortunately, there's not really enough effort on editors parts to ensure that assertions of articles are properly cited and fact-checked. Unfortunately, if we were to remove all of our non-cited articles, we would have very little text left, especially in the Harry Potter sections. That being said, I still fully support the removal of uncited text, especially material of a speculative nature. We are interested in what is true and noteworthy about the Harry Potter series, and about the upcoming Seventh Book in particular with this article, not in speculation as to what they plot may or may not contain. Again, Facts! Facts! Facts! Thank you. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 01:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Not to interrupt the raging battle of the immortals(metaphor=administrators) with the two cents of a mortal(metaphor=honest wikipedian) but it would seem that we can't have a vote like said before, since Hermione1980 was promoted to her current position by Zeus(already annoying metaphor=Jimmy Wales) and any complaints about Wikipedia's admin staff should go to him insead of impugning them on wikipedia's talk pages! -- Iamdalto 00:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but the last thing I put on this particular heading was "Thanks for everything, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh and I'll make sure I don't put any rubbish on Wikipedia". People are saying I put down something to do with a vote, but I put nothing of the sort. Just because I started complaining about Hermoine1980, doesn't mean I've carried on complaing about her! Thankyou.-- Daniel O 18:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I recently removed the US dollar value for a price in the article, and it was reverted ( [1]), citing WP:MOS. I can't see anything there that indicates that the US currency should be listed - it only says that it should be listed for "less familiar" currencies, and I think that the pound hardly constitutes a "less familiar" currency. Does anyone have any input on this? Thanks, Aseld talk 07:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
My reasoning for reverting it is found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Which_system_to_use . It's under units of measurement, so it's a bit of a stretch to apply it to money, but I think it's appropriate. As an American, I have no idea what a pound is worth, I've never had the need to use them. So, adding these few characters greatly improves the quality of the article and the usefulness thereof. I think there would be a problem if is only said the US value, or if it listed it first, but as a small addition it's quite helpful. Darkage7 ( talk) 07:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Whatever. I'm just going by WP: MOS. (And, in case you were wondering, the English Wikipedia is primary used by English speaking people, so the currencies of the largest English speaking nations are listed.) Darkage7 ( talk) 07:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Darkage7 is correct. You can read Wikipedia:MOS#Currencies. It says:
- In country-specific articles, such as Economy of Australia, use the currency of the country.
- In non-country-specific articles such as Wealth, use US dollars (US$123).
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The best book i read was "HARRY POTTER" no book interest like that.
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What about the rumours that Voldemort kills Harry but dies also as they share blood?
PENIS be changed before the book is actually published. In fact, it's been about five years since that interview, so it's probably been changed already.
Could in the most recent interview with rowling on the leaky cauldron website.
She has planned this far ahead since she has stated numerous times that she has outlined in detail the story for all 7 harry potter books. In addition she has stated she has written the final chapter already since it is an epilogue of sorts, however it is likeley to change.
Folks, please keep in mind that this Talk page is for discussion of the article, and is not intended as a general forum for discussion of the series. If you have sourced evidence to bring to the table, please do so, and if you wish to discuss the content of the article, please do so, but please keep on focus here. Thanks.
As the page got larger the division into 'fact' and 'speculation' made less sense. Instead I separated out the statements made by the author outside the book from the rest then divided up the speculation into strong statements made at the end of book 6 and the facts known about each of the remaining horcruxes.
The Dumbledore speculation should be removed from the general additional speculation section and given its own section.
Could the author or another like-minded individual please rephrase that last few sentences in Snape. I am utterly confused as to the meaning of the phrases
"One curious fact that requires explanation is that Dumbledore trusts Snape despite all evidence. This could be explained if Snape was merely just fulfilling his end of the unbreakable vow, and Dumbledore needed him to help Harry. But this would only come at the end of book 7 while it is clear that Dumbledore has had a powerful reason to trust Snape since he first renounced Voldemort. Applying the principle of least new mechanism did Snape make an unbreakable vow to Dumbledore? If Snape had refused to take in Book 7 his cover would be blown."
Fix'd. -- Geg 19:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Someone enlighten me...How did Snape get into Slytherin if he was half-blooded?
You do not have to be a pure blood to be a member of Slytherin - look at Tom Riddle. He was a half-blood, and one of Slytherin's prefects (presumabley, seeing that he became head boy) -- Stretch 01:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
For which side Professor Snape is on, should be gauged from which of the two wizards, Albus Dumbledore or Tom Marvolo Riddle is more intelligent to get a better vow from Severus Snape. - User:Atif.Hussain
I strongly disagree with how the prophecy is written as a conundrum on the Rumors section. It says "neither can live while the other survives". Not "neither can live if one survives". "While the other survives" indicates that neither will be able to live while their opposite survives. However, the way it's explained there seems to point it more towards neither being able to survive if one lives: meaning if one lives, that one must die soon anyway, which is no where close to what the Prophecy actually says. -- Geg 17:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree, the interpretation is bogus. I think though that further discussion is required. In particular the prophecy strongly suggests that there is a strong form of ethereal bond between Harry and Voldemort. So far the only mechanism we have heard about is the horcrux. The death of Dumbledore appears to close the door to the introduction of significant additional magical paraphenalia. This strongly suggests to me that Harry's scar is an accidental horcrux. Harry cannot live while he carries part of Voldemort's soul in his scar. Voldemort cannot 'live' with his soul split in pieces.
However, an act of murder is required to create another horcrux, and Dumbledore implicitly said that Voldemort had intended to create one by killing Harry, but Harry lived. This would appear to contradict this theory. Travisritch 15:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
This interpretation is further reinforced by other statements made by Dumbledore. In particular the statement that the only reason that the prophecy will come true is that Voldemort acted on it and attempted to murder Harry. I do not think it likely that Harry himself is the Horcrux since it would imply that Voldemort has taken over his body.
I think it is possible that while the "Neither" of the prophecy refers to Harry and Voldemort, "the other" refers to a third party. This could mean that if a third person (possibly Dumbledore) remained living, then "neither" Harry nor Voldemort would survive. This could support the idea that Dumbledore's death was no accident.
Do you think Snape thought that and acted along the prophecy that way? Or the unbreakable vow could have fulfilled the prophecy?
Please, to all users, do not insert statements such as "I think that," or "J.K. Rowling would never do this" in the main page. Doing so takes this article and turns it from a thinly-veiled excuse for Harry Potter fan-speculation to run rampant in wikipedia and turns it into an outright discussion board. Please save discussion and your own interpretation/thoughts for this talk page, and leave statements - other than very strong conjectures and confirmed facts about the book- off the main entry. jglc | t | c 20:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm cleaning out all the original research from the article. It's simple. Anything in here has to be a confirmed fact or a theory originated elsewhere. Our thoughts aren't notable. Anything non-cited is going away. If you want to add speculation, put it in with a note that it is a theory perpetuated by so-and-so. I.E. if you are just theorizing that Hagrid will die, don't put "There is a possibility that Hagrid will die. It would serve to completely demoralize Harry." However, if you find a well-written argument say, "Some fans, such as NAME HERE, have theorized that Hagrid would die. They argue that ..." Then put a citation in the reference section. This is necessary to keep the article from becoming a rumor mill/discussion board. Superm401 | Talk 03:42, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well you could have raised the issue on the discussion page first. Most of what you deleted is merely a list of the plot elements that have been conspicuously left open at the end of book six. It is not speculation to observe that at the end of book six there are four remaining horcruxes that must be destroyed before Voldemort is killed. The edits you removed all sumarize what is known about the four remaining horcruxes based on citations to the original text itself. On the other hand what you left is mostly unsupported speculation and wild theories. It seems to me that you are doing the exact opposite of what you claim to be doing and using the NOR as an excuse.
(Plot spoilers)
More information will be given about what happened at the fight between Lord Voldemort and Harry's parents (as fragments are scattered throughout the previous volumes).
Harry returns to his uncle and aunt (as he says he will), goes to the wedding mentioned in the Half-blood Prince and visits his parents' graves. (Not necessarily in this order.) The meaning of Dumbledore's remarks about Dursley made to the latter's parents will be revealed.
The remaing Horcruxes will be revealed as will the identity of R.A.B. (who may be dead/have destroyed the the Horcrux obtained).
There will be a final conflict between HP and Lord V.
Harry would likely have at least one conversation with Dumbledore via his newly placed painting. From past conversations with other ex-Headmasters' paintings, it stands to reason that Dumbledore could clear up a lot of confusion should Harry simply ask his painting. Gudlyf | Talk 15:00, September 21, 2005 (EST)
Also:
There will be a lot of speculation about what will happen in the story, a few leaks in the run up to publication - and the actual story will be quite different from all the speculation.
Add to the above list as appropriate.
Harry will also have to learn occlmency and get his apparition licence as well. Harry1991
I think that this entire section is irrelevant and always has been. Anyone who has got to book 6 knows what the routine at Hogwarts is. The last chapter of Book 6 plus the fact that wizards come of age at 17 are clearly intended to prepare the audience for the probability that Book 7 is not centered on the Hogwarts term. Too much space is spent telling us about items that are almost certainly irrelevant.
An error in the above last entry - he distinctly states he is going back to the Dursleys (as Dumbledore said he would have to before he was 17). It is Hogwarts that is the ambiguous destination
MA: You said that during the writing of book six something caused you fiendish glee. Do you remember what that was? JKR: Oh, god. [Long silence as Jo thinks.] What was it? It wasn't really vindictive [laughter] – that was more of a figure of speech. I know what I've enjoyed writing – you know Luna's commentary during the Quidditch match? [Laughter.] It was that. I really enjoyed doing that. Actually I really enjoyed doing that. You know, that was the last Quidditch match. I knew as I wrote it that it was the last time I was going to be doing a Quidditch match. To be honest with you, Quidditch matches have been the bane of my life in the Harry Potter books. They are necessary in that people expect Harry to play Quidditch, but there is a limit to how many ways you can have them play Quidditch together and for something new to happen. And then I had this moment of blinding inspiration. I thought, Luna’s going to commentate, and that was just a gift. It’s the kind of commentary I’d do on a sports match because I'm — [laughs]. Anyway yeah, it was that.
Above someone has put what I think is the answer to your question, that Harry goes back to speak to Dumbledore's painting and possibly find a horcrux. Also as another idea would lily and james be at hogwarts when voldemort came to see dumbledore?
Graham1991 17:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I can see that there are going to be reams of archives before even the name of the next book is announced.
Harry Potter and the Quest for the Centaur is on the list twice. Should it be changed or is there a reason for both of them.
oops...never mind. I see it has an S on one of them.
I do not believe the current version of the page is unreadable. Please explain why you do and we can come to a mutually agreed-upon layout. Do not revert without discussion. Superm401 | Talk 16:50, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
1. It has no paragraphs.
2. It includes information that are irrelevant or very well-known or have nothing to do with the issue at hand -- examples: "a deceased headmaster of Hogwarts" as description of Albus Dumbledore and "who have harassed him his entire life" accompanying the Dursleys. This helps crowd the text even more.
3. It more than once repeats the refrain: "If Harry's plans are unchanged" or statement to that effect. Isn't once good enough?
4. It mixes in a haphazard and chaotic manner the immediate plans of Harry with guesswork about what will happen to Hogwarts school and its students, depending on the Governors' decisions.
5. It doesn't follow any sort of reasonable sequence, either of importance or of timeline -- We're told about seemingly insignificant elements like the Apparition test or the Bill-Fleur wedding before we're told about the Horcruxes and the final confrontation with Voldemort -- and only after we're told about this conlusion we're then told about the visit to Godric's hollow. So, what's the exact sequence you were trying to follow here?
6. You are mixing motivation, supposition and possible consequences in an unorganized manner (e.g. about killing Snape, or whether he'll be isolated from the rest of his friends) Even if he doesn't go back to Hogwarts that doesn't mean he won't be in contact with the people there. And Harry never actually stated that he'll kill Snape. Aris Katsaris 17:27, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Superm401 | Talk 18:07, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
8. You combine without distinction elements that come from authorial statements with elements that reader have inferred from the 6th book.
9. Your section "Key Elements" is meaninglessly titled. Aren't all the previous bits we mentioned (horcruxes, Godric's Hollow etc) key elements also? It seems you're using this section to insert everything you couldn't find a place elsewhere, and you didn't even know how to call it.
I'm not gonna revert again, because then I'll be breaking several guidelines, but since it's a british book, it really should be the british spelling: licence is the noun, license is the verb; so they will get a licence to apparate. Apologies for being a grammar nazi :) 9cds 21:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
The article states that the author has stated:
My first reaction is that it should say "last year" instead of "last 2 years" since this is about book seven. However, Harry apparently won't be at Hogwarts at all in book seven. I don't want to change it in case it's a quote. -- 1pezguy 02:09, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
JKR has talked about people learning magic late in life. In early interviews she said that a character who is non-magical would preform magic late in life under stress and that this is a very rare occurrence. That must have been 68.32.206.174 was referring to. I could find quotes on QQQ or Scoops if someone really wants them. Cmouse 22:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
How can there be spoilers about something not published yet? Simple - she's said things about what happens in the book, not to mention that this page spoils the previous books no end. David Arthur 13:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I can't really think of a nice way to say this, so I'll just say it. The "outstanding questions" section of this article is getting a little... well, riddikulus. Are some of these questions really all that outstanding or notable? I'm really stuck when I see some of these questions—they make me want to throw up my hands in exasperation. Can we enter into a discussion about what to remove (or how to determine what is not notable enough to keep in), or should I just give up and stop looking at edits to this article, just so I don't go insane? -- D e ath phoenix 12:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I read somewhere that JKR has said there will be no new characters in Book 7. But it's not under the list in the article. Please confirm this. Jam2k 11:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a better idea to number the outstanding questions list so that it would be easier to refer to them and discuss in the future?? Just a passing thought :-) Jam2k 09:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
From the "Statements by the author about book seven" section: It is very important that Harry has his mother's eyes, and that her wand was good for charms. Well, this seems stupid. Does anyone have an evidence that JK Rowling actually said that?
I recall seeing that quote attributed to JK Rowling under the 'Book 6 & 7' section on Muggle.net. Unfortunately, they've updated their site and and seem to have removed all quotes and known facts about Book 6 in favour of a section dedicated to book 7 -- Stretch 07:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
From "J.K. Rowling interview transcript, The Connection (WBUR Radio), 12 October, 1999"
"Hi, I really like the books and we already learned a lot about Harry’s father and I was wondering ‘Are we going to learn a lot about his mother?’ JKR: Yeah, you will. It’s ---- yet again ---- you won’t find out ---- OK, in Book 3 you’re absolutely right. You find out a lot about Harry’s father. Now the important thing about Harry’s mother, the really, really significant thing, you’re going to find out in 2 parts.You’ll find out a lot more about her in Book 5, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5, then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7. But I can’t tell you what those things are so I’m sorry, but yes, you will find out more about her because both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do."
This came from a radio interview Rowling did after the release of PoA. On madamscoop.org it was summarised to "The fact that Harry has his mother’s eyes is very important to a future book." -- Stretch 04:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I have been bold and taken the liberty of removing this section. Wikipedia is not a fan forum. H e rmione 1980 00:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Then what is it then?
I know it's an encyclopedia, but can't we put our own opinions and see what other people think?-- Daniel O 16:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone want to insert the information about Book Seven included in this interview or its original form in the recent (printed) issue of Tatler? (To my knowledge, the former is excerpts from the latter but I'm not sure.) See also this page. Adam78 18:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I added a clean up sign to this section, its very hard to follow and the information is repeated several times. Raemie 21:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to reiterate Hermione1980's comment: Wikipedia is not a fan forum. If you want to speculate and question, please bring it to a fan site. Me, Hermione1980, and a few other people are getting pushed to the edge of simply reverting any edits that ignore our pleas. -- D e ath phoenix 21:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
How many times do I have to say this? Wikipedia is not a fan forum. If you want to talk about your theories, crazy or otherwise, take it to a fansite. We don't want it here. I apologise for sounding so frustrated, but it's very annoying when I keep saying these things over and over and nobody listens. H e rmione 1980 19:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Hermione1980, I asked the Wikipedia Bootcamp where I can put my own opinions and they said I can put it on the discussion pages, and not being rude or anything but I'll like to be able to do that because Hermione1980 keeps on deleting everything I put down. Again not being rude but I would rather no one delete this so that Hermione1980 can reply.-- Daniel O 17:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for everything, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh and I'll make sure I don't put any rubbish on Wikipedia.-- Daniel O 17:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Are you complaining about Hermione1980 or not?
No offence Hemione1980, but I don't like what you do deleting everything I put on countless occaisions. I want to put up a vote if Hermione1980 should stop doing what she is doing.
Just to jump in here a bit, but Hermione1980 and Deathphoenix are absolutely correct to remove speculation from both the articles and the Talk pages. The intent of the encyclopedia is a whole is to provide a balanced, accurate, cited reference work. Unfortunately, there's not really enough effort on editors parts to ensure that assertions of articles are properly cited and fact-checked. Unfortunately, if we were to remove all of our non-cited articles, we would have very little text left, especially in the Harry Potter sections. That being said, I still fully support the removal of uncited text, especially material of a speculative nature. We are interested in what is true and noteworthy about the Harry Potter series, and about the upcoming Seventh Book in particular with this article, not in speculation as to what they plot may or may not contain. Again, Facts! Facts! Facts! Thank you. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 01:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Not to interrupt the raging battle of the immortals(metaphor=administrators) with the two cents of a mortal(metaphor=honest wikipedian) but it would seem that we can't have a vote like said before, since Hermione1980 was promoted to her current position by Zeus(already annoying metaphor=Jimmy Wales) and any complaints about Wikipedia's admin staff should go to him insead of impugning them on wikipedia's talk pages! -- Iamdalto 00:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but the last thing I put on this particular heading was "Thanks for everything, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh and I'll make sure I don't put any rubbish on Wikipedia". People are saying I put down something to do with a vote, but I put nothing of the sort. Just because I started complaining about Hermoine1980, doesn't mean I've carried on complaing about her! Thankyou.-- Daniel O 18:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I recently removed the US dollar value for a price in the article, and it was reverted ( [1]), citing WP:MOS. I can't see anything there that indicates that the US currency should be listed - it only says that it should be listed for "less familiar" currencies, and I think that the pound hardly constitutes a "less familiar" currency. Does anyone have any input on this? Thanks, Aseld talk 07:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
My reasoning for reverting it is found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Which_system_to_use . It's under units of measurement, so it's a bit of a stretch to apply it to money, but I think it's appropriate. As an American, I have no idea what a pound is worth, I've never had the need to use them. So, adding these few characters greatly improves the quality of the article and the usefulness thereof. I think there would be a problem if is only said the US value, or if it listed it first, but as a small addition it's quite helpful. Darkage7 ( talk) 07:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Whatever. I'm just going by WP: MOS. (And, in case you were wondering, the English Wikipedia is primary used by English speaking people, so the currencies of the largest English speaking nations are listed.) Darkage7 ( talk) 07:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Darkage7 is correct. You can read Wikipedia:MOS#Currencies. It says:
- In country-specific articles, such as Economy of Australia, use the currency of the country.
- In non-country-specific articles such as Wealth, use US dollars (US$123).
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The best book i read was "HARRY POTTER" no book interest like that.
the words were greater "I AM WILLING TO READ A SERIES OF BOOKS LIKE THIS AGAIN" JK ROLLING (SUMUDU) how many page in this book —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.16.217 ( talk) 13:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC) |
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