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I removed the PROD, as no evidence was given of non-notability. According to the article, Cook has numerous well-regarded books and videos to his credit, has been interviewed as an expert in his field, etc. I know nothing about martial arts but it really seems to me that the correct way to go about deleting this would be an WP:AFD. It's far too subjective a call for a PROD, IMO. Shawn in Montreal 15:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote this article in February 2010. Janggeom ( talk) 11:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
On 6 May 2011, an anonymous contributor ( 86.145.249.246) deleted text mentioning Cook's family, with the comment, "BLP edit; irrelevant material removed with reference check." The material which was removed included information about the travels of Cook and his wife in Japan, where both studied Japanese martial arts, and about their children, who also practise martial arts. The implicit assertion appeared to be that the article should contain material only about Cook himself, however other biographies on Wikipedia contain information about family members of the subjects (e.g., see the "Family" or "Personal life" section present in many Wikipedia biographies). I restored the deleted information. On 8 May 2011, Rakufire deleted the restored information and commented, "Surely the family should be allowed to choose whether they wish to be named?" (Rakufire also removed the link to the subject's website from the infobox.) All the information in the article, including people's names and activities, appears in publicly-available sources. If any member of Cook's family does not wish to be named in this article, he/she should contact Wikipedia, prove his/her identity, and make the request. Trust this helps. Janggeom ( talk) 07:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I am removing again references to family members on the behest of my sister and mother as well as myself. I and others have repeatedly contacted Wikipedia directly to try and have the issue of multiple reverts resolved over the past two weeks to no action. I have no links to the press reports to back the reason behind up as they are all local publications currently behind paywalls (Hexham Courant specifically.) Proof of identity - *redacted*. All I request is that our names be left off the article - that is all. Dr. Cushty ( talk) 14:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Chzz. I'm editing some of the above out for privacy / legal reasons. 18:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
An article confirming that Harry Cook has been remanded in custody on charges of sexual Assault appeared in the Hexham Courant dated 13 May 2011. The article may be found at: http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/karate-instructor-in-court-1.837648?referrerPath=home Can the semi-protected status please be removed so that the article page may be updated with this information and other updates as they arise. Cook has now been remanded in custody to appear in the Crown Court for sentencing due to the severity of the offences.[redacted] Watchdog2011 08:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
I am typing four tildes at the end of these edits but for some reason they still show as unsigned - apologies (Watchdog2011 17:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC))
Hello Watchdog2011, as a new contributor to Wikipedia, please remember that there are rules and policies that apply to what may be included on Wikipedia. One of the things that cannot be included is speculation, no matter how strongly you may believe or feel that something is the case. This is especially important when criminal allegations are involved and a living person is the subject of those allegations—think of the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle. Even if you might have inside knowledge of some kind, for example, you cannot include contentious material if it is not reliably sourced. Despite being an experienced contributor, I recently found myself in error relating to some edits on this article, so you are by no means the only one who has made mistakes. Please try to understand and cooperate with what Slp1 (administrator) and Off2riorob have written above; thank you. Janggeom ( talk) 11:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Janggeom, thank you for your message above. I am very happy with the way the page now reads as it includes the information I was trying to add. I had thought I was doing the correct thing by initially adding only the verbatim text of the newspaper to the page but this was then removed without any explanation of what I had done wrong at that stage. Trying to explain why I wanted the information to appear only let to more difficulty! Very discouraging indeed!! Why is it acceptable in it's present form rather than as the verbatim text I initially added? Maybe too difficult for me to understand I suppose. When there is an update on the case, may I ask for your help in posting the information in an acceptable way? Thanks for trying to help. Watchdog2011 12:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
SLp1 I repositioned the material as it had no relevance to the Japan section. It is relevant to the overall introduction at the start of the page, in a position at the end of the introduction which reflects that this is the latest news. Watchdog2011 12:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
Thank You for that Chzz - clarity and understanding. Watchdog2011 13:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
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I removed the PROD, as no evidence was given of non-notability. According to the article, Cook has numerous well-regarded books and videos to his credit, has been interviewed as an expert in his field, etc. I know nothing about martial arts but it really seems to me that the correct way to go about deleting this would be an WP:AFD. It's far too subjective a call for a PROD, IMO. Shawn in Montreal 15:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote this article in February 2010. Janggeom ( talk) 11:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
On 6 May 2011, an anonymous contributor ( 86.145.249.246) deleted text mentioning Cook's family, with the comment, "BLP edit; irrelevant material removed with reference check." The material which was removed included information about the travels of Cook and his wife in Japan, where both studied Japanese martial arts, and about their children, who also practise martial arts. The implicit assertion appeared to be that the article should contain material only about Cook himself, however other biographies on Wikipedia contain information about family members of the subjects (e.g., see the "Family" or "Personal life" section present in many Wikipedia biographies). I restored the deleted information. On 8 May 2011, Rakufire deleted the restored information and commented, "Surely the family should be allowed to choose whether they wish to be named?" (Rakufire also removed the link to the subject's website from the infobox.) All the information in the article, including people's names and activities, appears in publicly-available sources. If any member of Cook's family does not wish to be named in this article, he/she should contact Wikipedia, prove his/her identity, and make the request. Trust this helps. Janggeom ( talk) 07:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I am removing again references to family members on the behest of my sister and mother as well as myself. I and others have repeatedly contacted Wikipedia directly to try and have the issue of multiple reverts resolved over the past two weeks to no action. I have no links to the press reports to back the reason behind up as they are all local publications currently behind paywalls (Hexham Courant specifically.) Proof of identity - *redacted*. All I request is that our names be left off the article - that is all. Dr. Cushty ( talk) 14:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Chzz. I'm editing some of the above out for privacy / legal reasons. 18:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
An article confirming that Harry Cook has been remanded in custody on charges of sexual Assault appeared in the Hexham Courant dated 13 May 2011. The article may be found at: http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/news-at-a-glance/karate-instructor-in-court-1.837648?referrerPath=home Can the semi-protected status please be removed so that the article page may be updated with this information and other updates as they arise. Cook has now been remanded in custody to appear in the Crown Court for sentencing due to the severity of the offences.[redacted] Watchdog2011 08:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
I am typing four tildes at the end of these edits but for some reason they still show as unsigned - apologies (Watchdog2011 17:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC))
Hello Watchdog2011, as a new contributor to Wikipedia, please remember that there are rules and policies that apply to what may be included on Wikipedia. One of the things that cannot be included is speculation, no matter how strongly you may believe or feel that something is the case. This is especially important when criminal allegations are involved and a living person is the subject of those allegations—think of the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle. Even if you might have inside knowledge of some kind, for example, you cannot include contentious material if it is not reliably sourced. Despite being an experienced contributor, I recently found myself in error relating to some edits on this article, so you are by no means the only one who has made mistakes. Please try to understand and cooperate with what Slp1 (administrator) and Off2riorob have written above; thank you. Janggeom ( talk) 11:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Janggeom, thank you for your message above. I am very happy with the way the page now reads as it includes the information I was trying to add. I had thought I was doing the correct thing by initially adding only the verbatim text of the newspaper to the page but this was then removed without any explanation of what I had done wrong at that stage. Trying to explain why I wanted the information to appear only let to more difficulty! Very discouraging indeed!! Why is it acceptable in it's present form rather than as the verbatim text I initially added? Maybe too difficult for me to understand I suppose. When there is an update on the case, may I ask for your help in posting the information in an acceptable way? Thanks for trying to help. Watchdog2011 12:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
SLp1 I repositioned the material as it had no relevance to the Japan section. It is relevant to the overall introduction at the start of the page, in a position at the end of the introduction which reflects that this is the latest news. Watchdog2011 12:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
Thank You for that Chzz - clarity and understanding. Watchdog2011 13:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchdog2011 ( talk • contribs)
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