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This page should list the work of previous graduates.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.158.212 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There isn't any. The college is less than 10 years old.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.243.112 ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course there is work by previouse graduates. Not only does the school have students that have already graduated from law school and are about to graduate from medical school, there several students in nationally recogonized masters and Ph.d programs AND every student is required to write an original thesis.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.162.154 ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the previous statement, one of the academic selling points of the school is the development of the thesis. So either list the thesis works of all previous graduates or somebody is getting their asses kicked.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.186.131.65 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, individual student thesis papers are not notable and should not be included on the college's page. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If one of these works is notable for some reason then it should have it own page, and just have a mention here. Also, please sign your comments as directed above. KnightLago 14:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If the Honors College is doing its job, than the theses (not thesis papers) are notable academic contributions; making their presence on wikipedia important information for scholars, current college students, and future college students. Also, calling youself KnightLago doesn't make you cool; it does show that you live at home with your mother.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.203.61 ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Ouch, that hurt. How are the thesis papers notable? KnightLago 12:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I take back the previous statement. I would have a log in name, but KnightLago - the coolest name a 30-year-old virgin could have - was taken.
And as I said previously, the theses ("thesis papers" being not only redandent, but inherently retarded) are original scholarlly work - not a generic high school paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.163.128 ( talk • contribs) 23:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Again with the personal attack. So they are scholarly works, so what. What makes them notable? And I would work on your spelling there, "redandent" and my favorite "scholarlly", nice, me retarded you say? KnightLago 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
While advocates for the thesis listings may be 'aggressive,' they do appear to be well intentioned and accurate. Furthermore, the page should list important stats in a box to the side, similar to Florida State University. The way the numbers are listed appears as unneeded wordiness.-- Hawthorne122 18:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The list of graduates' theses sounds good to me. Students at the undergraduate level have been doing graduate-level work for a while now at the Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College. In fact, an Honors College graduate named Niina Pollari won an Honorable Mention from Early English Books Online's 2006 "EEBO in Undergraduate Studies Essay Contest." EEBO is primarily a tool for graduate students. Additionally, Kyle Ashby, who is currently still enrolled at the college, had a paper on transgender issues on Nip/Tuck published in the Southeast Journal of Media Criticism. Many more Honors College students are doing graduate work in their undergraduate years, and many of their undergraduate honors theses go on to be published in scholarly journals intended for graduate work.
Each and every Honors college thesis is far more than just a thesis; it is an intensely-probed piece of work that at least two faculty members (typically three--all with terminal degrees) acutely critiqued & evaluated. Also, the Honors College theses are the only student-published works in the FAU MacArthur Campus Library. Not even graduate work is there, but Honors College theses are binded, cataloged, and available for those wishing to incorporate them into their research. This cataloging is typical of dissertations at the graduate level. Seeing as the Honors College thesis is in fact notable as graduate-level work at the undergraduate level, it should at least be explained in further detail on this page. The current list of theses linked from Wikipedia to the FAU website is very inaccurate and needs updating. I'm sure if anyone needs an updated list, they can contact the FAU MacArthur Campus library online at AIM screen name FauReference.
Also, another notable fact about the Honors College is that the graduates of the college actually receive very little recognition for their work. They graduate with a generic Liberal Arts degree, entirely equal to that of a non-honors student attending FAU in Boca Raton, FL. The only difference is that instead of being approved by the "Dorothy F. Schmidt College of Arts & Letters," the Honors College diploma is approved by the "Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College." Even students that enroll in the 15-credit honors program on the Boca Raton campus receive a certificate for their completion of that honors program, whereas individuals who graduate from an entirely honors curriculum receive nothing of the sort! Because Honors College graduates receive exactly the same diploma and recognition as any other person with a FAU Liberal Arts degree, the Honors College graduates end up looking like weaker candidates for jobs and graduate schools. Thus, if an Honors College graduate and an FAU Liberal Arts graduate were applying for the same position at a company or graduate school, the FAU Liberal Arts candidate would probably get the job as they typically have a higher GPA from "easier" classes. The Honors thesis is the only aspect of their education which might earn them a position over the Liberal Arts candidate.
Perhaps if the Wikipedia page for the Honors College recognized their struggles more, and if graduates & their works were not patronized by such individuals as KnightLago, then Wikipedia could be used for citation of public belief that graduates deserve more forms of recognition.
I understand the bias I hold, and so I hope that any of the people who read this will edit the page in a way that would further incite recognition of those students enrolled in this program.
-Current Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College student (I've never posted on Wikipedia before now) 131.91.218.49 14:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Mwillia9, the article on "list of indiscriminate collection of information" doesn't say anything about not having notable publishings of a school. If your M.A. thesis was notable, then it should be on Wikipedia. KnightLago's point that the content isn't notable isn't reason enough not to limit the content of this article because "Notability guidelines do not directly limit article-content." See notability. While simply listing all of these theses would indeed be indiscriminate, from the sounds of it more notable theses do exist, and I would encourage people to include a list of notable theses. 70.187.39.52 18:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
This page needs them. Go Owls 14:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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This page should list the work of previous graduates.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.158.212 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There isn't any. The college is less than 10 years old.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.243.112 ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course there is work by previouse graduates. Not only does the school have students that have already graduated from law school and are about to graduate from medical school, there several students in nationally recogonized masters and Ph.d programs AND every student is required to write an original thesis.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.162.154 ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the previous statement, one of the academic selling points of the school is the development of the thesis. So either list the thesis works of all previous graduates or somebody is getting their asses kicked.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.186.131.65 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, individual student thesis papers are not notable and should not be included on the college's page. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If one of these works is notable for some reason then it should have it own page, and just have a mention here. Also, please sign your comments as directed above. KnightLago 14:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If the Honors College is doing its job, than the theses (not thesis papers) are notable academic contributions; making their presence on wikipedia important information for scholars, current college students, and future college students. Also, calling youself KnightLago doesn't make you cool; it does show that you live at home with your mother.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.203.61 ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Ouch, that hurt. How are the thesis papers notable? KnightLago 12:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I take back the previous statement. I would have a log in name, but KnightLago - the coolest name a 30-year-old virgin could have - was taken.
And as I said previously, the theses ("thesis papers" being not only redandent, but inherently retarded) are original scholarlly work - not a generic high school paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.163.128 ( talk • contribs) 23:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Again with the personal attack. So they are scholarly works, so what. What makes them notable? And I would work on your spelling there, "redandent" and my favorite "scholarlly", nice, me retarded you say? KnightLago 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
While advocates for the thesis listings may be 'aggressive,' they do appear to be well intentioned and accurate. Furthermore, the page should list important stats in a box to the side, similar to Florida State University. The way the numbers are listed appears as unneeded wordiness.-- Hawthorne122 18:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The list of graduates' theses sounds good to me. Students at the undergraduate level have been doing graduate-level work for a while now at the Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College. In fact, an Honors College graduate named Niina Pollari won an Honorable Mention from Early English Books Online's 2006 "EEBO in Undergraduate Studies Essay Contest." EEBO is primarily a tool for graduate students. Additionally, Kyle Ashby, who is currently still enrolled at the college, had a paper on transgender issues on Nip/Tuck published in the Southeast Journal of Media Criticism. Many more Honors College students are doing graduate work in their undergraduate years, and many of their undergraduate honors theses go on to be published in scholarly journals intended for graduate work.
Each and every Honors college thesis is far more than just a thesis; it is an intensely-probed piece of work that at least two faculty members (typically three--all with terminal degrees) acutely critiqued & evaluated. Also, the Honors College theses are the only student-published works in the FAU MacArthur Campus Library. Not even graduate work is there, but Honors College theses are binded, cataloged, and available for those wishing to incorporate them into their research. This cataloging is typical of dissertations at the graduate level. Seeing as the Honors College thesis is in fact notable as graduate-level work at the undergraduate level, it should at least be explained in further detail on this page. The current list of theses linked from Wikipedia to the FAU website is very inaccurate and needs updating. I'm sure if anyone needs an updated list, they can contact the FAU MacArthur Campus library online at AIM screen name FauReference.
Also, another notable fact about the Honors College is that the graduates of the college actually receive very little recognition for their work. They graduate with a generic Liberal Arts degree, entirely equal to that of a non-honors student attending FAU in Boca Raton, FL. The only difference is that instead of being approved by the "Dorothy F. Schmidt College of Arts & Letters," the Honors College diploma is approved by the "Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College." Even students that enroll in the 15-credit honors program on the Boca Raton campus receive a certificate for their completion of that honors program, whereas individuals who graduate from an entirely honors curriculum receive nothing of the sort! Because Honors College graduates receive exactly the same diploma and recognition as any other person with a FAU Liberal Arts degree, the Honors College graduates end up looking like weaker candidates for jobs and graduate schools. Thus, if an Honors College graduate and an FAU Liberal Arts graduate were applying for the same position at a company or graduate school, the FAU Liberal Arts candidate would probably get the job as they typically have a higher GPA from "easier" classes. The Honors thesis is the only aspect of their education which might earn them a position over the Liberal Arts candidate.
Perhaps if the Wikipedia page for the Honors College recognized their struggles more, and if graduates & their works were not patronized by such individuals as KnightLago, then Wikipedia could be used for citation of public belief that graduates deserve more forms of recognition.
I understand the bias I hold, and so I hope that any of the people who read this will edit the page in a way that would further incite recognition of those students enrolled in this program.
-Current Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College student (I've never posted on Wikipedia before now) 131.91.218.49 14:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Mwillia9, the article on "list of indiscriminate collection of information" doesn't say anything about not having notable publishings of a school. If your M.A. thesis was notable, then it should be on Wikipedia. KnightLago's point that the content isn't notable isn't reason enough not to limit the content of this article because "Notability guidelines do not directly limit article-content." See notability. While simply listing all of these theses would indeed be indiscriminate, from the sounds of it more notable theses do exist, and I would encourage people to include a list of notable theses. 70.187.39.52 18:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
This page needs them. Go Owls 14:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)