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Would it be true to say that the northern part of this region is the Hauran, or are they synonymous and a merger is required? Batternut ( talk) 10:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Jasper33, Leo1pard, Joe Roe, and Batternut: hi. Sorry, this is a stub (created 13 years ago!), hardly anything is explained, and what's written here on the talk-page contradicts the little there is in the article. As it is now it's useless. It lacks: a set of names, with their respective meanings (translation) and if possible their etymologies. Boundaries! Definition: why is it a thing? Is it a geographical unit, or a historical region, or what? What gives it a character & unity, why is it here? Geology (volcanic: all or some? What else?). Geography: physical (wadis/streams, sub-units, heights, climate & soils & vegetation: arid/semiarid/steppe/...), political (towns, population - ethnicities etc., numbers). History (incl. current).
There is a link to Al Harrah, Saudi Arabia; the coordinates there are most likely wrong, take you to a place halfway between Mecca and Medina, I guess too far south (the lead places it at the border with Jordan!), and that's the only indication given here for the extent of the region to the south. Lost in space... The other names indicated ( Jabal al-Druze, al-Safa, Dirat al-Tulul) are regions; they need some definition, all these articles need maps or, if not available, clearer definitions writen by the editors (the "coordinates" are useless, lead to dots - not even sure they're in the centre of each region; a dot doesn't define a region). I understand, Syrians have a lot on their plate, but it's a shame and not only Syrians are working on these topics. I'm an outside visitor, but would still like to take something from here. Thanks and good luck, Arminden ( talk) 01:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
a region of rocky, basaltic desert straddling southern Syria and the northern Arabian Peninsula. Your suggestion of adding a map is a good one and if I have time I plan to make one today, but in the meantime if you open Google Earth/Google Maps Satellite it's easily recognisable as the long dark shape east of Azraq in Jordan. I'm struggling to understand what your purpose in starting this discussion is. Do you have some specific comments on what parts are confusing? Or are you suggesting we do something with the article? Other than the fairly extensive expansion you suggest above (which would of course be great). – Joe ( talk) 12:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Joe, many, many, MANY thanks for putting this together! I'll copy your explanations into my files and use them as a base for understanding the area. If Wiki articles relating to the Middle East could more often reach this level, they would do a lot of good. The strict sourcing rules can be an obstacle, I know. When a case like this comes up, me personally would much rather see editors like you write undersourced paragraphs, with a general bibliography (you mentioned two books), to be edited (sources added sentence by sentence etc.) and otherwise processed in time. The problem is, how can you then stop those who only read a press article or a biased & poorly written tourist brochure to do the same? Dilemma :)
It would be great if you could at some point find the time to transfer what you just wrote into the article. If you do, here's a link: Deserts and xeric shrublands. I admit I didn't know the word xeric (and I should have), so I looked it up. You can then use it with added value for the reader, since there they are giving details, showing a representative picture and linking to sites across the continents.
I've always regretted not seeing the eastern part of Jordan, but being there with a clear assignment meant that I had to use my time & budget wisely. This is a bit of an attempt to compensate for it. Thanks again, Arminden ( talk) 17:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Could you please see if the Azraq Oasis can be considered as part of this region? Thinking of the basalt, even though it's at the mouth of Wadi Sirhan. If yes, please do add to the "Archaeol. sites"/Jordan list as " Qasr Azraq and Qasr 'Ain es-Sil in the Azraq Oasis". Thanks! Arminden ( talk) 20:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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The contents of the Al Harrah, Saudi Arabia page were merged into Harrat al-Sham on 27 October 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Would it be true to say that the northern part of this region is the Hauran, or are they synonymous and a merger is required? Batternut ( talk) 10:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Jasper33, Leo1pard, Joe Roe, and Batternut: hi. Sorry, this is a stub (created 13 years ago!), hardly anything is explained, and what's written here on the talk-page contradicts the little there is in the article. As it is now it's useless. It lacks: a set of names, with their respective meanings (translation) and if possible their etymologies. Boundaries! Definition: why is it a thing? Is it a geographical unit, or a historical region, or what? What gives it a character & unity, why is it here? Geology (volcanic: all or some? What else?). Geography: physical (wadis/streams, sub-units, heights, climate & soils & vegetation: arid/semiarid/steppe/...), political (towns, population - ethnicities etc., numbers). History (incl. current).
There is a link to Al Harrah, Saudi Arabia; the coordinates there are most likely wrong, take you to a place halfway between Mecca and Medina, I guess too far south (the lead places it at the border with Jordan!), and that's the only indication given here for the extent of the region to the south. Lost in space... The other names indicated ( Jabal al-Druze, al-Safa, Dirat al-Tulul) are regions; they need some definition, all these articles need maps or, if not available, clearer definitions writen by the editors (the "coordinates" are useless, lead to dots - not even sure they're in the centre of each region; a dot doesn't define a region). I understand, Syrians have a lot on their plate, but it's a shame and not only Syrians are working on these topics. I'm an outside visitor, but would still like to take something from here. Thanks and good luck, Arminden ( talk) 01:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
a region of rocky, basaltic desert straddling southern Syria and the northern Arabian Peninsula. Your suggestion of adding a map is a good one and if I have time I plan to make one today, but in the meantime if you open Google Earth/Google Maps Satellite it's easily recognisable as the long dark shape east of Azraq in Jordan. I'm struggling to understand what your purpose in starting this discussion is. Do you have some specific comments on what parts are confusing? Or are you suggesting we do something with the article? Other than the fairly extensive expansion you suggest above (which would of course be great). – Joe ( talk) 12:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Joe, many, many, MANY thanks for putting this together! I'll copy your explanations into my files and use them as a base for understanding the area. If Wiki articles relating to the Middle East could more often reach this level, they would do a lot of good. The strict sourcing rules can be an obstacle, I know. When a case like this comes up, me personally would much rather see editors like you write undersourced paragraphs, with a general bibliography (you mentioned two books), to be edited (sources added sentence by sentence etc.) and otherwise processed in time. The problem is, how can you then stop those who only read a press article or a biased & poorly written tourist brochure to do the same? Dilemma :)
It would be great if you could at some point find the time to transfer what you just wrote into the article. If you do, here's a link: Deserts and xeric shrublands. I admit I didn't know the word xeric (and I should have), so I looked it up. You can then use it with added value for the reader, since there they are giving details, showing a representative picture and linking to sites across the continents.
I've always regretted not seeing the eastern part of Jordan, but being there with a clear assignment meant that I had to use my time & budget wisely. This is a bit of an attempt to compensate for it. Thanks again, Arminden ( talk) 17:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Could you please see if the Azraq Oasis can be considered as part of this region? Thinking of the basalt, even though it's at the mouth of Wadi Sirhan. If yes, please do add to the "Archaeol. sites"/Jordan list as " Qasr Azraq and Qasr 'Ain es-Sil in the Azraq Oasis". Thanks! Arminden ( talk) 20:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)