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I placed the tag for deletion on this article because I believe it is a family history article and not something for inclusion in a general encyclopedia. I suggest this be moved to another venue (Mormon biographies encyclopedia, for instance) before deletion from here. -- Robbie Giles 15:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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Why are you removing the new controversies section? The content is factual and supported by references. 2A0D:6FC7:405:ED15:903:E005:9A0F:A4D ( talk) 06:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Numerous publicly available and reputable sources have reported on controversies surrounding Harold Hillam and his role in the Adam Paul Steed case. This information is relevant to those who want to learn about this figure and should not be removed due to personal bias in favor of protecting the LDS church. 2A0D:6FC0:DC2:5900:ED0C:DBE1:AD73:DEE1 ( talk) 06:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Literally every single statement in this new section is supported by reputable sources. No amount of effort by LDS defenders is going to permanently remove this section. This is relevant and important information. This section WILL stay on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:2A16:1A00:EB52:911E:E524:2DB1 ( talk) 18:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Commenting on why I removed the controversy section. First, the reference to Hillam as the President of Grand Teton Council of Scouts BSA. The President of the Council within Scouting is a volunteer who serves on the non-profit association board that selects the Council's Chief Executive Officer and gives the council direction through approving and modifying governing documents that outline how the non-profit will operate. Similar to the Chairman of the Board of a company, but in most cases, even more tenuous as their day-to-day authority over the organization is limited. Secondly, Hillam was not named in the lawsuit as a responsible party, and I can not find a reliable source that Hillam was even the President during the time that the abuse to Mr. Steed occurred. There are good sources that he was the President of Teton Council, but not which years (generally most BSA Presidents serve 2 years - occasionally they will serve an extra year, but it is rare). There are other claims of Hillam working behind the scenes to discredit the abuse victim but I could find no collaboration from the people with whom Hillam talked, and all of it is someone told someone who told the abuse victim, and it is circumstantial.
This abuse victim has had a very rough time, running into a predator, and then a counselor that treated him has also turned out to be a crazy person, JH (recently arrested because a child in her care was emaciated and lacked proper nutrition - avoiding names for BLP reasons). My sympathy goes out to him. The person adding the information to the article (relying on the podcast), claims that certain activities (BYU Honor Code issues, claims that his Bishop wouldn't give him a calling, etc.) stopped around 2012 when Hillam died. However, it is also at the same time (2012) that JH's improper activities as a counselor (including not only the wrong actions with the abuse victim but also seeking endorsements against the policy, being denied those endorsements, and falsely claiming to work as a counselor directly for prominent church members) came out, were investigated, and she was disciplined by state regulators and removed from any list of preferred counselors at BYU and with LDS Social Services. These seem more likely to be related to the change to how the victim was treated since JH was the counselor to whom he was referred by his Bishop. Additionally, JH was the person in contact with the BYU Honor Code. I read the quoted news articles, the other sources from the section, and also several tldr; summaries of the podcast (it is 5 and 1/2 hours long) before confirming that this information is not verifiable. Adding link about therapist and statements made by the abuse victim in 2012 PS - This was a time-sapping journey down Alice's rabbit hole. -- Trödel 22:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
this guy was one of the leaders of that LDS scout organization that was full of pedofiles, more than half of the kids had gotten some kind of abuse, and that Adam Steed was a whistleblower against. Then he used and abused his power to go after Steed for more than a decade in the most dire ways possible. he tried to hinder his marriage, was giving out private information about Steed to undermine his fight for his kids custody. when this didnt work properly in his eyes, he let Jodi Hildebrand, the now worldwide known LDS connected child abuser felon loose on Steed. which is turned out to be a frequen tool for him against "problematic" men in the church. This page is a joke, this person is clearly a criminal, had he not died he would have been accused of something by the court. this page need a serious tuneup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4C:1152:C100:0:0:0:1000 ( talk) 12:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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I placed the tag for deletion on this article because I believe it is a family history article and not something for inclusion in a general encyclopedia. I suggest this be moved to another venue (Mormon biographies encyclopedia, for instance) before deletion from here. -- Robbie Giles 15:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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Why are you removing the new controversies section? The content is factual and supported by references. 2A0D:6FC7:405:ED15:903:E005:9A0F:A4D ( talk) 06:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Numerous publicly available and reputable sources have reported on controversies surrounding Harold Hillam and his role in the Adam Paul Steed case. This information is relevant to those who want to learn about this figure and should not be removed due to personal bias in favor of protecting the LDS church. 2A0D:6FC0:DC2:5900:ED0C:DBE1:AD73:DEE1 ( talk) 06:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Literally every single statement in this new section is supported by reputable sources. No amount of effort by LDS defenders is going to permanently remove this section. This is relevant and important information. This section WILL stay on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:2A16:1A00:EB52:911E:E524:2DB1 ( talk) 18:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Commenting on why I removed the controversy section. First, the reference to Hillam as the President of Grand Teton Council of Scouts BSA. The President of the Council within Scouting is a volunteer who serves on the non-profit association board that selects the Council's Chief Executive Officer and gives the council direction through approving and modifying governing documents that outline how the non-profit will operate. Similar to the Chairman of the Board of a company, but in most cases, even more tenuous as their day-to-day authority over the organization is limited. Secondly, Hillam was not named in the lawsuit as a responsible party, and I can not find a reliable source that Hillam was even the President during the time that the abuse to Mr. Steed occurred. There are good sources that he was the President of Teton Council, but not which years (generally most BSA Presidents serve 2 years - occasionally they will serve an extra year, but it is rare). There are other claims of Hillam working behind the scenes to discredit the abuse victim but I could find no collaboration from the people with whom Hillam talked, and all of it is someone told someone who told the abuse victim, and it is circumstantial.
This abuse victim has had a very rough time, running into a predator, and then a counselor that treated him has also turned out to be a crazy person, JH (recently arrested because a child in her care was emaciated and lacked proper nutrition - avoiding names for BLP reasons). My sympathy goes out to him. The person adding the information to the article (relying on the podcast), claims that certain activities (BYU Honor Code issues, claims that his Bishop wouldn't give him a calling, etc.) stopped around 2012 when Hillam died. However, it is also at the same time (2012) that JH's improper activities as a counselor (including not only the wrong actions with the abuse victim but also seeking endorsements against the policy, being denied those endorsements, and falsely claiming to work as a counselor directly for prominent church members) came out, were investigated, and she was disciplined by state regulators and removed from any list of preferred counselors at BYU and with LDS Social Services. These seem more likely to be related to the change to how the victim was treated since JH was the counselor to whom he was referred by his Bishop. Additionally, JH was the person in contact with the BYU Honor Code. I read the quoted news articles, the other sources from the section, and also several tldr; summaries of the podcast (it is 5 and 1/2 hours long) before confirming that this information is not verifiable. Adding link about therapist and statements made by the abuse victim in 2012 PS - This was a time-sapping journey down Alice's rabbit hole. -- Trödel 22:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
this guy was one of the leaders of that LDS scout organization that was full of pedofiles, more than half of the kids had gotten some kind of abuse, and that Adam Steed was a whistleblower against. Then he used and abused his power to go after Steed for more than a decade in the most dire ways possible. he tried to hinder his marriage, was giving out private information about Steed to undermine his fight for his kids custody. when this didnt work properly in his eyes, he let Jodi Hildebrand, the now worldwide known LDS connected child abuser felon loose on Steed. which is turned out to be a frequen tool for him against "problematic" men in the church. This page is a joke, this person is clearly a criminal, had he not died he would have been accused of something by the court. this page need a serious tuneup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4C:1152:C100:0:0:0:1000 ( talk) 12:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)