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I have moved the following German translation here, as it does not seem to belong in the article. -- Chuck 18:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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Why did you erase, Ken's singing of this song? In one of the Christmas episodes of The Gospel Bill Show, Ken sang that song at the end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.92.204.227 ( talk) 03:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
I understand that Hark! The Herald Angels Sing is more often than not the last carol in the London Bach Choir's Family Carols Concerts. Would it be all right to add this into the article? If so, where can I find the reference? Yip1982 ( talk) 08:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Come, Desire of nations come, Fix in us Thy humble home; Rise, the Woman's conquering Seed, Bruise in us the Serpent's head. Adam's likeness now efface: Stamp Thine image in its place; Second Adam, from above, Reinstate us in thy love. That part is left out the majority of times it's sung or recored, I wnder why, it's the bets part y humble opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.23.208 ( talk) 23:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
In Wesley's original carol verse three reads; "Hail the heav’nly Prince of Peace! Hail the Sun of Righteousness! Light and life to all He brings, Ris’n with healing in His wings."
This verse is a reference to Malachi 4:2; "But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall."
Unfortunately many modern renditions of the carol render this verse; "Hail the Son of Righteousness", thus failing to recognise the biblical reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.88.56 ( talk) 18:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
There have been some changes over the times to some of the lyrics, and I wonder if there has been any research on the subject that could be referenced here? For example, the "virgin womb" in the original lyrics was at some point altered to "favored one". Also, "Pleased with us in flesh to dwell" is often cited as "Pleased as man with men to dwell" but the original seems to be "Pleas'd as Man with men t' appear" Were these Whitefield changes?
I think this is an original wesley version: https://ia902606.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/10/items/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_jp2.zip&file=hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_jp2/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_0153.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0 70.189.91.33 ( talk) 09:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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Earlier this month, there was a dispute as to whether or not the chart peak positions for Mariah Carey's version of "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" and Andy Williams' version of "The First Noel" should be included. My opinion is that they should. It is common for Christmas song articles to include peak positions for both the original and the different versions. I am curious to see what the consensus is on this. I would also like to hear what @ Rob~enwiki: has to say about this. CountyCountry ( talk) 20:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
This article says that 'Hark the herald' is sung to the tune of 'Thine be the glory' as the last hymn at St Patrick's on Christmas Eve. The article on 'Thine be the glory' days that 'Thine be the glory' is sung at that service.
I have no evidence either way, but this article seems more likely to be correct - 'Hark the herald' is very often sung at the end of carol services, e.g. King's College, Cambridge.
I have marked the statements in the 'Thine be the glory' article as dubious. If anyone reading this has been to the service at St Patrick's, or heard it on Irish radio, please contribute! Mdrb55 ( talk) 10:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
How many voices are present in the song of hark! The herald angels sing 112.198.68.109 ( talk) 00:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 12:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
– Per MOS:INCIPIT and the recent RM discussion at Talk:Hear my prayer#Requested move 25 May 2023. — BarrelProof ( talk) 01:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
"Wesley, who had written the original version as 'Hymn for Christmas-Day', had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded." This precedes footnote reference 1, which says nothing about the original music. I don't like "reference needed" notes and am not going to add one, but I think this claim should be documented if possible and the original composer credited even though his music has "largely" been discarded. I don't see how it could have been "largely" discarded either, if it was completely supplanted by the later Mendelssohn-based melody. If it wasn't completely supplanted and some trace of the original melody remained, then the original composer is all the more deserving of credit and mention. In any event, if there is no documentation for the assertion that Wesley "had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded", I suppose this should be deleted (or a tag added – which, again, I don't favor). Bret Sterling ( talk) 18:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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I have moved the following German translation here, as it does not seem to belong in the article. -- Chuck 18:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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Why did you erase, Ken's singing of this song? In one of the Christmas episodes of The Gospel Bill Show, Ken sang that song at the end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.92.204.227 ( talk) 03:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
I understand that Hark! The Herald Angels Sing is more often than not the last carol in the London Bach Choir's Family Carols Concerts. Would it be all right to add this into the article? If so, where can I find the reference? Yip1982 ( talk) 08:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Come, Desire of nations come, Fix in us Thy humble home; Rise, the Woman's conquering Seed, Bruise in us the Serpent's head. Adam's likeness now efface: Stamp Thine image in its place; Second Adam, from above, Reinstate us in thy love. That part is left out the majority of times it's sung or recored, I wnder why, it's the bets part y humble opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.23.208 ( talk) 23:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
In Wesley's original carol verse three reads; "Hail the heav’nly Prince of Peace! Hail the Sun of Righteousness! Light and life to all He brings, Ris’n with healing in His wings."
This verse is a reference to Malachi 4:2; "But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall."
Unfortunately many modern renditions of the carol render this verse; "Hail the Son of Righteousness", thus failing to recognise the biblical reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.88.56 ( talk) 18:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
There have been some changes over the times to some of the lyrics, and I wonder if there has been any research on the subject that could be referenced here? For example, the "virgin womb" in the original lyrics was at some point altered to "favored one". Also, "Pleased with us in flesh to dwell" is often cited as "Pleased as man with men to dwell" but the original seems to be "Pleas'd as Man with men t' appear" Were these Whitefield changes?
I think this is an original wesley version: https://ia902606.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/10/items/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_jp2.zip&file=hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_jp2/hymnsandsacredpo00wesliala_0153.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0 70.189.91.33 ( talk) 09:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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Earlier this month, there was a dispute as to whether or not the chart peak positions for Mariah Carey's version of "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" and Andy Williams' version of "The First Noel" should be included. My opinion is that they should. It is common for Christmas song articles to include peak positions for both the original and the different versions. I am curious to see what the consensus is on this. I would also like to hear what @ Rob~enwiki: has to say about this. CountyCountry ( talk) 20:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
This article says that 'Hark the herald' is sung to the tune of 'Thine be the glory' as the last hymn at St Patrick's on Christmas Eve. The article on 'Thine be the glory' days that 'Thine be the glory' is sung at that service.
I have no evidence either way, but this article seems more likely to be correct - 'Hark the herald' is very often sung at the end of carol services, e.g. King's College, Cambridge.
I have marked the statements in the 'Thine be the glory' article as dubious. If anyone reading this has been to the service at St Patrick's, or heard it on Irish radio, please contribute! Mdrb55 ( talk) 10:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
How many voices are present in the song of hark! The herald angels sing 112.198.68.109 ( talk) 00:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 12:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
– Per MOS:INCIPIT and the recent RM discussion at Talk:Hear my prayer#Requested move 25 May 2023. — BarrelProof ( talk) 01:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
"Wesley, who had written the original version as 'Hymn for Christmas-Day', had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded." This precedes footnote reference 1, which says nothing about the original music. I don't like "reference needed" notes and am not going to add one, but I think this claim should be documented if possible and the original composer credited even though his music has "largely" been discarded. I don't see how it could have been "largely" discarded either, if it was completely supplanted by the later Mendelssohn-based melody. If it wasn't completely supplanted and some trace of the original melody remained, then the original composer is all the more deserving of credit and mention. In any event, if there is no documentation for the assertion that Wesley "had requested and received slow and solemn music for his lyrics, which has since largely been discarded", I suppose this should be deleted (or a tag added – which, again, I don't favor). Bret Sterling ( talk) 18:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)