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The voyage of Hanno carefully analyzed by a classical scholar.
While I agree that this description is fascinating and sounds convincing (but then I lack knowledge of African geography), the site also contains a long exposition by the same scholar trying to make the case that the Christian gospels are based on a lost play by Seneca. I cannot judge on the accuracy of this either, but it's bound to be controversial. I don't know whether the way the link is described should be changed (and I definitely think the link should stay), but I just thought other people might want to know.
-- Martijn faassen 00:52, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I seem to recall that in "Boat of a Million Years", while the lead character is called Hanno, he is explicitly not the historical Hanno. I will remove this section until someone comes with evidence I don't recall correctly. Martijn Faassen 21:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What is with the hairy women? [unsigned]
Hi. Sorry, it's taken me a while to get back here. I hope in the next day or two to make absolutely sure, and I think someone has confused Herodotus's account of the Phoenician voyage around Africa with Hanno's voyage. I'll reread the account of Hanno's voyage to make sure my memory is correct and, if so, correct the article. By the way, I'm happy with BCE dates. Gallador 14:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Actually, modern scholars believe the report Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa, for the reason Herodotus doubted it, that the sun was to the north. This account of a voyage c. 595 BCE around Africa from the east has been confused in this Hanno article with Hanno's separate voyage c. 425 BCE. part way down the west coast. Gallador 22:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
It is sad to see that the additions I added yesterday have been so quickly removed and replaced with the erroneous information such as Hanno living circa 450 BC, which is absolutely incorrect and can be proven by the fact that one of the cities founded by Hanno is mentioned specifically by the Greek historian Hecataeus, who lived 550 to 470 BC. In fact the work of Hecataeus which mentions Hanno's city has been dated to 520 BC. How could Hecataeus have mentioned the city if Hanno lived more than twenty years after his death? This sort of mis-information is rife with many Carthaginian historical figures, and I see that we cannot get the record set straight thanks to our members like Wetman. I included references, which have been deleted.
Good luck with your Wikipedia, I will not add any further information. Oroblanco —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroblanco ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Clovis re-prefixed "amateur" to Dr. Fell's name as a epigrapher, stating in his description that this is the case because Dr. Fell's "training and experience" a marine biologist.
However, it is disingenuous to discount an academic as an "amateur" if his professional experience crosses into other fields. Many people go on to significant professional expertise in fields other than the title of their academic major.
In Fell's case, his doctoral dissertation in Marine Biology was on the dispersion of animal species, including humans, to islands. Consequently it was his doctoral thesis on dispersion of people in the Pacific that led Dr. Fell into the field epigraphy. As a tenured Harvard professor, Dr. Fell published several books on epigraphy and founded several epigraphic societies. One would be hard pressed to find a "professional" epigrapher who has published more on the subject.
It appears to me that Clovis' use of the word "amateur" is intended to marginalise Dr. Fell's expertise because Clovis disagrees with Dr. Fell's conclusion. That violates NPOV. I am reverting it - again. Cadwallader ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any definitem evidence that Gorillas lived in the costal areas where Hanno travelled?
Could this be a misprint for Chimpanzees which are more active and savage than Gorillas? AT Kunene ( talk) 11:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
There are bound to various arguments about the length of Hannos voyages. About the only definite clue seems to be the rivers of fire which may be an active volcano.
Wherever Hanno reached there doesn't seem to be any mention of any subsequant voyages to the same area or even any further results of the Phoenician voyage around Africa.
Could it be that there were no profits likely to be made from such extended trade routes and that was an end to these voyages of exploration? AT Kunene ( talk) 17:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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List of ancient authors that mention Hanno:
(Greek authors, according to University of Chicago)
(according to similar source)
Maybe some more? Wikinights ( talk) 22:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Today I removed several external links. Page before, Page after. Reasons:
This is my current plan for the sections.
0. Lead 1. Biography 2. Periplus
2.0. Note information about text 2.1. Summarize the periplus 2.2. Textual criticism
3. Expedition (from a modern scholar's viewpoint) 4. Ancient authors' accounts 5. Legacy Wikinights ( talk) 08:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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The voyage of Hanno carefully analyzed by a classical scholar.
While I agree that this description is fascinating and sounds convincing (but then I lack knowledge of African geography), the site also contains a long exposition by the same scholar trying to make the case that the Christian gospels are based on a lost play by Seneca. I cannot judge on the accuracy of this either, but it's bound to be controversial. I don't know whether the way the link is described should be changed (and I definitely think the link should stay), but I just thought other people might want to know.
-- Martijn faassen 00:52, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I seem to recall that in "Boat of a Million Years", while the lead character is called Hanno, he is explicitly not the historical Hanno. I will remove this section until someone comes with evidence I don't recall correctly. Martijn Faassen 21:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What is with the hairy women? [unsigned]
Hi. Sorry, it's taken me a while to get back here. I hope in the next day or two to make absolutely sure, and I think someone has confused Herodotus's account of the Phoenician voyage around Africa with Hanno's voyage. I'll reread the account of Hanno's voyage to make sure my memory is correct and, if so, correct the article. By the way, I'm happy with BCE dates. Gallador 14:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Actually, modern scholars believe the report Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa, for the reason Herodotus doubted it, that the sun was to the north. This account of a voyage c. 595 BCE around Africa from the east has been confused in this Hanno article with Hanno's separate voyage c. 425 BCE. part way down the west coast. Gallador 22:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
It is sad to see that the additions I added yesterday have been so quickly removed and replaced with the erroneous information such as Hanno living circa 450 BC, which is absolutely incorrect and can be proven by the fact that one of the cities founded by Hanno is mentioned specifically by the Greek historian Hecataeus, who lived 550 to 470 BC. In fact the work of Hecataeus which mentions Hanno's city has been dated to 520 BC. How could Hecataeus have mentioned the city if Hanno lived more than twenty years after his death? This sort of mis-information is rife with many Carthaginian historical figures, and I see that we cannot get the record set straight thanks to our members like Wetman. I included references, which have been deleted.
Good luck with your Wikipedia, I will not add any further information. Oroblanco —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oroblanco ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Clovis re-prefixed "amateur" to Dr. Fell's name as a epigrapher, stating in his description that this is the case because Dr. Fell's "training and experience" a marine biologist.
However, it is disingenuous to discount an academic as an "amateur" if his professional experience crosses into other fields. Many people go on to significant professional expertise in fields other than the title of their academic major.
In Fell's case, his doctoral dissertation in Marine Biology was on the dispersion of animal species, including humans, to islands. Consequently it was his doctoral thesis on dispersion of people in the Pacific that led Dr. Fell into the field epigraphy. As a tenured Harvard professor, Dr. Fell published several books on epigraphy and founded several epigraphic societies. One would be hard pressed to find a "professional" epigrapher who has published more on the subject.
It appears to me that Clovis' use of the word "amateur" is intended to marginalise Dr. Fell's expertise because Clovis disagrees with Dr. Fell's conclusion. That violates NPOV. I am reverting it - again. Cadwallader ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any definitem evidence that Gorillas lived in the costal areas where Hanno travelled?
Could this be a misprint for Chimpanzees which are more active and savage than Gorillas? AT Kunene ( talk) 11:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
There are bound to various arguments about the length of Hannos voyages. About the only definite clue seems to be the rivers of fire which may be an active volcano.
Wherever Hanno reached there doesn't seem to be any mention of any subsequant voyages to the same area or even any further results of the Phoenician voyage around Africa.
Could it be that there were no profits likely to be made from such extended trade routes and that was an end to these voyages of exploration? AT Kunene ( talk) 17:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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List of ancient authors that mention Hanno:
(Greek authors, according to University of Chicago)
(according to similar source)
Maybe some more? Wikinights ( talk) 22:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Today I removed several external links. Page before, Page after. Reasons:
This is my current plan for the sections.
0. Lead 1. Biography 2. Periplus
2.0. Note information about text 2.1. Summarize the periplus 2.2. Textual criticism
3. Expedition (from a modern scholar's viewpoint) 4. Ancient authors' accounts 5. Legacy Wikinights ( talk) 08:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)