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I created an archive and moved everything that either seemed old, resolved or otherwise didn't include any follow up items. This should make the page easier to read and the current page can now serve as a to-do list. Any objections? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 02:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
AGEHR is significant enough to warrant its own article, if anyone has the information to write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.253.168.230 ( talk) 03:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I mean, would it be ok to make a new section that included the different types of ways to ring the bells (such as the martellato, shake, or thumb damp)?
Or is that kind of useless? Artic fox1029384756
I think a description of some of the various articulations would be useful. Perhaps using the text that's in the AGEHR notation guide? -- Ladysun1969 21:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Should this section say "these include" as I am sure there are many varients and other ways to play handbells. Either that or we need to make the list more exhaustive. What do you think? - Aidan Fozard -- 82.29.128.23 ( talk) 22:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
"To ring the bell, the ringer moves it in such a way that the clapper strikes the inside surface of the bell, usually holding it against his or her shoulder, bell-upwards, and using the wrist to snap."
Since we now know the "wrist snap" to be non-ergonomic, shouldn't this be corrected to say something like "usually holding it against his or her shoulder, bell-upwards, so that the bell rocks forward and backward on the hand." or something similar? How does she describe it in "Healthy Ringing"? Ladysun1969 17:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)ladysun1969
Any description of how to ring a handbell should include a description of both off shoulder AND off table style, which your description would not include -- Rc Mayhem 18:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that my proposed change does not address the off-table ringing style, however it is (IMO) a better description of the in-hand style than what is currently in the article. In fact, the article currently doesn't address the off-table style at all. Can you please provide a description of that style and perhaps then both descriptions (yours & mine) can be added to the article. Thank you. -- Ladysun1969 21:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This could really do with a section to itself in the article, starting with typical ringing style and moving on to the other styles possible. Not being a tune ringer, I was updating the change ringing section to discuss the ringing technique, and I'm still not convinced that the place I put it makes that much sense. (Also, the change ringing section wants pushing down the article, since it's far less familiar to people, but that's another problem.) -- Froggienation 10:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Please explain how these people are chosen. Dobrinsky I understand at over 300 composer pieces... but Dean Wagner? At 3 pieces?
Should we start a section on solo and small ensemble ringing? -- Ladysun1969 21:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This paragraph could use some clarification. Perhaps there's a change ringing expert who could expand it? Phrases like this one "handbells are used almost exclusively to ring methods rather than, for instance, call changes" wouldn't make sense for a non-ringer, because the words used (i.e. "method", "call changes") have different meanings in the change-ringing world, and probably wouldn't make sense to a non-change-ringer. Tiara Diva 16:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Um. Love to, but the problem is that both these are currently defined by a subsection of the change ringing page. Really it wants pulling apart, which I might do if I have some time. -- Froggienation 20:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a couple of suggestions: 1) the article would be vastly improved by a photo or two of playing techniques, such as a time lapse or multiple exposure image of a normal swing. 2) the 10" rule isnt very useful in deciding what repertory might be interesting to an outsider. Noah's Fludd is undeniably a major work, but uses bells in a decidedly minor role (I cant remember whether they actually play less than 10") and is not a work one could hope to encounter at a handbell concert: at least, not pending a new arrangement :-P. What if instead there was a list of highlights of the repertoire for bellchoir, short and long, and another section on the handbell as a mixed ensemble member? Sparafucil 00:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've created a short history section out of some of the information previously in the change rining section. I think it would be great to expand this section with more sourced info. Godofbiscuits ( talk) 18:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
To me, the section on assignments seems pretty superfluous. I've taken it as a project to re-organize/wikitize this article, but I didn't want to delete anything without discussion. My issue with the section is that I don't think there's any standard for how bells are assigned (as admitted in the article). In my experience, it vaires widely given the piece, the choir and the skill of the ringers. I don't really think the information presented adds anything to the article. Anyone object? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 21:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm new to the whole wikipedia contribution thing, but I've noticed some things that I would like to edit. Since I'm new, I thought putting them in the talk page would be better.
a small, solid triangle ("martellato" — to hit the bell on to the table, pushing most of the lip into the table)
Pushing just the lip of the bell is bad technique as it will cause the overtones found in the body of the bell to overpower the fundamental.
Ringing more than two bells at a time
...
Four bells
There are two main ways of ringing two handbells with one hand: four-in-hand and Shelley. In the four-in-hand technique,... Four-in-hand is typically used to ring multiple positions or pick up accidentals.
I think that this section should be renamed "Multiple Bell Techniques". This is used more often now to describe playing more than just two bells. Also it should be added to the 4nH section that when the 45degree technique is perfected, it renders the Shelley technique obsolete.
I suggest that Bass bell part of the multiple bell technique section be changed to weaving, as well as include "traveling 4 in hand"
Plucking is accomplished by pressing the bell casting into the foam-covered table and, using the thumb and forefinger, forcing the clapper head into the dampened casting, producing a staccato tone.
Modern plucking is taught as a one handed technique to allow for quick transition between bells. Pressing the casting in the foam is the older two handed technique.
I'm comfortable making these edits myself (I think, as I'm still learning) but would like to hear from the group, if they are agreed upon. -- NunoMiguel ( talk) 07:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest another, very minor change, to change the word 'wrist' in the first paragraph to 'hand', or another word. If you're snapping your wrist with anything lower than say a C5 you're going to end up with a snapped wrist. (Or, more likely, repetitive stress injury.)
GrathXVI (
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I'm sorry, but this currently meets the quick fail criteria. I see instances of {{ expand}} and {{ fact}}, and the Handbell music section is unsourced. Feel free to renominate when these issues have been addressed. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide ( H2O) 09:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the Handbell used.jpg image and replaced it with Area X Handbell Practice.jpg and added Four in Hand Handbells.jpg. The Handbell used.jpg file has irked me for quite some time as the setup is poor (no pads), the player's don't have the appropriate equipment (no gloves), and the technique is not very good. I realize there are multiple potential issues here, but I believe this improves the article, and presents handbells in a more accurate light. Disclosure: I've played handbells for 11+ years, so I'm kindof partial to the instrument. —Cliffb ( talk) 11:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
The 4-in-hand picture looks more like a shelly ring if you look closely at the handle placement. Tdstom ( talk) 01:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC) tdstom
The Hornbostel-Sachs classification of this instrument seems problematical... it seems to come under Indirectly struck idiophones (112) The player himself does not go through the movement of striking; percussion results indirectly through some other movement by the player, and I think on reflection that's what we have here. Essentially, in HS terms it's a rattle with only one pea! But that conflicts with 111.242.2 Sets of bells or chimes, which is the natural guess. And many other bells have the same problem.
This interpretation would also mean that a swung church bell has a different HS classification to one rung by an external clapper, and that for example Great Tom has a different classification when swung on special occasions than when the same bell is rung normally. Again on reflection, that seems correct too. Andrewa ( talk) 05:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities/words/handbell/ky/m4/2r/ gives the HS classification of handbells as 111.242.1 Bells (individual), which seems wrong to me... surely hanbells as melodic percussion constitute a set of bells?
http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/cimcim/uymhs03.pdf gives a classification of 111.242.222 Sets of clapper bells, which seems right on. Andrewa ( talk) 13:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
And so I ask this: Could some enterprising handbell ringer please add some musical examples to the article?
It'd be really great if we had examples - at least sound files, but preferably video - of:
As a musician who's never heard a handbell ensemble play, this seems to me the most glaring lack in the current article, which is otherwise nicely balanced and informative. And of course, since Wikipedia is the most likely place people will look to satisfy their curiosity about handbells, surely adding sounds to this article would be an easy way to share the excitement and attraction that players feel to them as musical instruments.
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I don’t see Asian handbells here, nor the uses for which Hindus and Buddhists use them. Check List of Nepali musical instruments for a couple if examples. There are probably other religious uses that should be covered. Jacqke ( talk) 03:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Handbell was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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I created an archive and moved everything that either seemed old, resolved or otherwise didn't include any follow up items. This should make the page easier to read and the current page can now serve as a to-do list. Any objections? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 02:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
AGEHR is significant enough to warrant its own article, if anyone has the information to write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.253.168.230 ( talk) 03:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I mean, would it be ok to make a new section that included the different types of ways to ring the bells (such as the martellato, shake, or thumb damp)?
Or is that kind of useless? Artic fox1029384756
I think a description of some of the various articulations would be useful. Perhaps using the text that's in the AGEHR notation guide? -- Ladysun1969 21:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Should this section say "these include" as I am sure there are many varients and other ways to play handbells. Either that or we need to make the list more exhaustive. What do you think? - Aidan Fozard -- 82.29.128.23 ( talk) 22:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
"To ring the bell, the ringer moves it in such a way that the clapper strikes the inside surface of the bell, usually holding it against his or her shoulder, bell-upwards, and using the wrist to snap."
Since we now know the "wrist snap" to be non-ergonomic, shouldn't this be corrected to say something like "usually holding it against his or her shoulder, bell-upwards, so that the bell rocks forward and backward on the hand." or something similar? How does she describe it in "Healthy Ringing"? Ladysun1969 17:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)ladysun1969
Any description of how to ring a handbell should include a description of both off shoulder AND off table style, which your description would not include -- Rc Mayhem 18:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that my proposed change does not address the off-table ringing style, however it is (IMO) a better description of the in-hand style than what is currently in the article. In fact, the article currently doesn't address the off-table style at all. Can you please provide a description of that style and perhaps then both descriptions (yours & mine) can be added to the article. Thank you. -- Ladysun1969 21:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This could really do with a section to itself in the article, starting with typical ringing style and moving on to the other styles possible. Not being a tune ringer, I was updating the change ringing section to discuss the ringing technique, and I'm still not convinced that the place I put it makes that much sense. (Also, the change ringing section wants pushing down the article, since it's far less familiar to people, but that's another problem.) -- Froggienation 10:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Please explain how these people are chosen. Dobrinsky I understand at over 300 composer pieces... but Dean Wagner? At 3 pieces?
Should we start a section on solo and small ensemble ringing? -- Ladysun1969 21:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This paragraph could use some clarification. Perhaps there's a change ringing expert who could expand it? Phrases like this one "handbells are used almost exclusively to ring methods rather than, for instance, call changes" wouldn't make sense for a non-ringer, because the words used (i.e. "method", "call changes") have different meanings in the change-ringing world, and probably wouldn't make sense to a non-change-ringer. Tiara Diva 16:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Um. Love to, but the problem is that both these are currently defined by a subsection of the change ringing page. Really it wants pulling apart, which I might do if I have some time. -- Froggienation 20:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a couple of suggestions: 1) the article would be vastly improved by a photo or two of playing techniques, such as a time lapse or multiple exposure image of a normal swing. 2) the 10" rule isnt very useful in deciding what repertory might be interesting to an outsider. Noah's Fludd is undeniably a major work, but uses bells in a decidedly minor role (I cant remember whether they actually play less than 10") and is not a work one could hope to encounter at a handbell concert: at least, not pending a new arrangement :-P. What if instead there was a list of highlights of the repertoire for bellchoir, short and long, and another section on the handbell as a mixed ensemble member? Sparafucil 00:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I've created a short history section out of some of the information previously in the change rining section. I think it would be great to expand this section with more sourced info. Godofbiscuits ( talk) 18:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
To me, the section on assignments seems pretty superfluous. I've taken it as a project to re-organize/wikitize this article, but I didn't want to delete anything without discussion. My issue with the section is that I don't think there's any standard for how bells are assigned (as admitted in the article). In my experience, it vaires widely given the piece, the choir and the skill of the ringers. I don't really think the information presented adds anything to the article. Anyone object? Godofbiscuits ( talk) 21:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm new to the whole wikipedia contribution thing, but I've noticed some things that I would like to edit. Since I'm new, I thought putting them in the talk page would be better.
a small, solid triangle ("martellato" — to hit the bell on to the table, pushing most of the lip into the table)
Pushing just the lip of the bell is bad technique as it will cause the overtones found in the body of the bell to overpower the fundamental.
Ringing more than two bells at a time
...
Four bells
There are two main ways of ringing two handbells with one hand: four-in-hand and Shelley. In the four-in-hand technique,... Four-in-hand is typically used to ring multiple positions or pick up accidentals.
I think that this section should be renamed "Multiple Bell Techniques". This is used more often now to describe playing more than just two bells. Also it should be added to the 4nH section that when the 45degree technique is perfected, it renders the Shelley technique obsolete.
I suggest that Bass bell part of the multiple bell technique section be changed to weaving, as well as include "traveling 4 in hand"
Plucking is accomplished by pressing the bell casting into the foam-covered table and, using the thumb and forefinger, forcing the clapper head into the dampened casting, producing a staccato tone.
Modern plucking is taught as a one handed technique to allow for quick transition between bells. Pressing the casting in the foam is the older two handed technique.
I'm comfortable making these edits myself (I think, as I'm still learning) but would like to hear from the group, if they are agreed upon. -- NunoMiguel ( talk) 07:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest another, very minor change, to change the word 'wrist' in the first paragraph to 'hand', or another word. If you're snapping your wrist with anything lower than say a C5 you're going to end up with a snapped wrist. (Or, more likely, repetitive stress injury.)
GrathXVI (
talk) 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this currently meets the quick fail criteria. I see instances of {{ expand}} and {{ fact}}, and the Handbell music section is unsourced. Feel free to renominate when these issues have been addressed. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide ( H2O) 09:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the Handbell used.jpg image and replaced it with Area X Handbell Practice.jpg and added Four in Hand Handbells.jpg. The Handbell used.jpg file has irked me for quite some time as the setup is poor (no pads), the player's don't have the appropriate equipment (no gloves), and the technique is not very good. I realize there are multiple potential issues here, but I believe this improves the article, and presents handbells in a more accurate light. Disclosure: I've played handbells for 11+ years, so I'm kindof partial to the instrument. —Cliffb ( talk) 11:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
The 4-in-hand picture looks more like a shelly ring if you look closely at the handle placement. Tdstom ( talk) 01:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC) tdstom
The Hornbostel-Sachs classification of this instrument seems problematical... it seems to come under Indirectly struck idiophones (112) The player himself does not go through the movement of striking; percussion results indirectly through some other movement by the player, and I think on reflection that's what we have here. Essentially, in HS terms it's a rattle with only one pea! But that conflicts with 111.242.2 Sets of bells or chimes, which is the natural guess. And many other bells have the same problem.
This interpretation would also mean that a swung church bell has a different HS classification to one rung by an external clapper, and that for example Great Tom has a different classification when swung on special occasions than when the same bell is rung normally. Again on reflection, that seems correct too. Andrewa ( talk) 05:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities/words/handbell/ky/m4/2r/ gives the HS classification of handbells as 111.242.1 Bells (individual), which seems wrong to me... surely hanbells as melodic percussion constitute a set of bells?
http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/cimcim/uymhs03.pdf gives a classification of 111.242.222 Sets of clapper bells, which seems right on. Andrewa ( talk) 13:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
And so I ask this: Could some enterprising handbell ringer please add some musical examples to the article?
It'd be really great if we had examples - at least sound files, but preferably video - of:
As a musician who's never heard a handbell ensemble play, this seems to me the most glaring lack in the current article, which is otherwise nicely balanced and informative. And of course, since Wikipedia is the most likely place people will look to satisfy their curiosity about handbells, surely adding sounds to this article would be an easy way to share the excitement and attraction that players feel to them as musical instruments.
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I don’t see Asian handbells here, nor the uses for which Hindus and Buddhists use them. Check List of Nepali musical instruments for a couple if examples. There are probably other religious uses that should be covered. Jacqke ( talk) 03:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)