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Oh great, yet another work of fiction masquerading as fact. As if Wikipedia didn't have enough of them already. 6SJ7 02:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the name of the article to "Governance of the Gaza Strip" and removed all references to "Gaza Strip Government". I hope this addresses some of the concerns mentioned in this discussion.
Dn9ahx ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I suggest any information unique to this page (which is not much) be merged into the article on Palestinian National Authority for the simple reason that Hamas has never claimed it is an entity separate from the PNA (and recognizes Mahmoud Abbas as the legitimate president). There do exist two separate governments that claim to be legitimate, but they both operate under the name "Palestinian National Authority". -- Fjmustak ( talk) 22:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
As someone who came here to learn more about Gaza, I was frustrated that this article fails to explain why Hamas and Fatah are in conflict, how their values differ, etc. Avocats ( talk) 01:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, I made a number of what I consider purely neutral grammar and usage clarity edits before reading the warning on this page. I deleted two or three sections of citations that seem to be run-on gibberish; this was not intended to be vandalism but rather to highlight the problem. I will probably revert them now and make a note somewhere about them. Avocats ( talk)
The following quote may be the result of auto-translate; it is incomprehensible.
Responded with another citizen of Rafah: 'Nude talk more about health crisis in Rafah and more exploited in the Drivers' Rafah ', while the other response more sharply, he said:' I wish, Lord, tells the story of Sheikh Eid any of these buses come from? , Is the bus power was to change the color and print the names and fake companies, good company, company Ailia, Islamic Society, as well as be confiscated diesel fuel from the stations and tunnels and traders, and is then to organize a campaign on behalf of Hamas to relieve citizens, but everyone knows ...... ., the story of diesel buses and the story of a failed attempt to improve the image of Hamas' Avocats ( talk) 01:18, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't delete this without the due respect of reading (and even possibly commenting) on the content.
Hamas was elected to fill a majority of Assembly seats. They were not elected with the mandate of overthrowing the REST of the democratically elected government and institutions that legitmately existed and helped govern the Gaza Strip. This fact was not duly reflected until my edits were made. My edits allow for the fact that Hamas had legitimacy because of their election originally, and the questioning of that legitimacy after they violated their election mandate. It is patently one sided to not make note of this. Gamesformay ( talk) 19:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
The article on Hamastan practically overlaps this one. Is there any reason not to merge it into the Governance of the Gaza Strip? Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
No need for much discussion here, I'm making this post because I forgot to give a reason for my revert in the edit summary. The aforementioned description that filled the "Government type" parameter in the infobox is supported by one highly unreliable reference. It's taken from a direct quote by an ex-CIA director James Woolsy who doesn't qualify as reliable neutral source. Here's the quote: Cooper noted immediate elections could thwart Egypt’s possibilities for freedom and democracy, because there really aren't many organized opposition forces, other than the Muslim Brotherhood. "Right, and that's what happened in Gaza," Woolsey said. "Hamas called for immediate elections, and we got one vote, one man – and it's now a theocratic dictatorship." Highly unworthy. Please do not reinsert. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Quote_from_former_CIA_official_in_Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip nableezy - 06:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
If Gaza entity is not a dictatorship, then i'm still curious what is it? It is as rediculous to claim Gaza is a democracy that North Korea is a democracy (People's Democratic Republic that is); however we can use the term single-party state, implemented for North Korea. In any case, Gaza as well as Palestinian Authority have not held any elections since 2006 - nations without elections cannot be defined as democracy or republic. Theocracy might not be a suitable term for Hamas government, yet, since it is a deeply religious single state establishment it is most similar to Iran - perhaps unitary state is a proper term?; I would ask other editors to give a proper term for Gaza strip governance to their best understanding (parliamentary democracy is out of question of course). Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
You are correct that authoritarian and dictatorship are not synonyms. Still, dictatorship is a form of government, and authoritarianism is a method, so dictatorship would probably make more sense to be in a box relating to type of government. -- Activism1234 ( talk) 23:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Since it has so far led to nowhere - let's make a poll of editors invovled in the article on the proper description of the Hamas rule in Gaza. The options are parliamentary democracy with postponed elections (official position), theocratic dictatorship (POV but seems to me reliable term), Single-party state (not fully correct, but de facto Hamas is the only party performing ligislation), unitary state (a somewhat soft term to describe the Gaza entity). We can also use two terms since the situation in the Gaza Strip is highly controvercial and confusing, not saying temporary (on the other hand North and South Koreas are temporary for now 62 years already). Greyshark09 ( talk) 07:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
*I agree mostly with what Al Ameer son stated, that it is a parliamentary democracy with elections on hold, and that any commentary that the government is "authoritarian" or whatnot is entirely unacceptable.
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There are several poor sources used in this edit. The edit uses idfblog.com to say, in the encyclopedia's voice, that Hamas holds summer camps to educate children in such topics as holding a Qassam rocket launcher to aiming at Israeli targets, and also conducting paramilitary exercises. The edit then uses a youtube video from PMW to claim that Hamas staged a re-enactment of the capturing of Gilad Shalit, then uses an editorial to claim that Hamas also regularly indoctrinates children. That's just the first 3 sentences. None of those sources, which are used repeatedly, are acceptable for making such statements of fact in an encyclopedia article. nableezy - 00:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The references I used include, but are not limited to, the following:
The PMW video is a real video taken from a media-watchdog group that records Palestinian television and uploads it to YouTube. If I watched Palestinian television that day at that hour on that channel, I too would've seen it. If needed, I can add in articles as well to support the PMW video. The editorial cited an article and then explained it. That was the reason for the editorial reference. As a whole, these references certainly qualify as real sources, and even if we were to remove one or two, the rest would still stand perfectly tall and be able to back up those other references. There is no reason to remove this critical information. If needed, I can find more references from news articles, political pundits, YouTube videos, Hamas statements, and Palestinian media outlets. That is not an issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activism1234 ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I will state here my support for the removal of the flammatory, poorly sourced claim that the government is a dictatorship. The Carnegie source states that the government is authoritative, this is very from saying its a dictatorship. The Rubin one is just a rant that includes broad generalizations and notably false statements. I forget the other one's and am confused by the page's history to find them... But still, no dice for such edits.
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I just removed a swathe of material added to the "Education" section by Activism1234 for a number of reasons, but most importantly the quality of the sources. Just to go through the wide majority of them, Youtube which is used three times ( [4], [5], [6]) is not a reliable source, blogs are not a reliable source (especially those of the Israeli military [7]), the Daily Caller article [8] appears to be a malware-infected site according to my computer and is highly biased anyway, the Arabic-language Agency Palestine Today [9], [10] is an unreliable source, photo albums [11] are unreliable and while townhall.com [12] is not necessarily unreliable, its extreme bias undermines its credibility. All in all these are just terrible sources that were most likely found in a basic google search.
Furthermore, passages like this that are backed by the reliable JPOST have no place in the article: The United Nations has opened up summer camps as well, which counter these camps run by Hamas. Approximately 250,000 children attend these camps, as of 2010. The participants engage in arts and crafts, sports and other cultural activities, and are mostly between the ages of six and 15.[ref] In May 2010, Muslim extremists attacked a UNRWA summer camp, which is sponsored by the United Nations. They tied up the guards and lit the camp on fire.[ref][ref] On top of the fact that Hamas involvement is speculation, what's this have to do with governance? All the information about summer camps by Hamas or the Islamic Jihad (not even a part of the govt.) have no relevance here. These are the activities of parties or organizations and if they belong anywhere its in their respective articles.
I get the feel that the recent edits are meant to simply demonize Hamas. Putting it simply, this is an encyclopedic article on the current government of the Gaza Strip, not a place to attack or praise Hamas. These edits do not improve the article, they only degrade it -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
More importantly, it still evades me why you would not remove the JPost article, after acknowleding that it is reliable, when it has to do with the subject. A piece of advice: stop arbitrarily removing material in an article that is valuable to understanding the article and then contradict yourself that said source is reliable and relevant to the article. I would like to reiterate, you stated JPost is reliable, and the article talked about Hamas summer camps. Your refusal to put it back in demonstrates a regrettable bias clouding your judgement. Instead of a comprehensive summary of education in the Gaza STrip, the picture that is being painted is basically not the full picture. If the facts paint a certain picture, so be it. The facts are - Hamas runs summer camps that teach children to hate and kill. Perhaps that's disgusting to Mr. A, and perhaps that's beautiful and praiseworthy to Mr. B. Mr. A can arrive at his own conclusion based on the facts reported in an unbiased way that are corroborated by a huge amount of references, among them pro-Hamas media outlets, anti-Hamas media outlets, UN spokespeople, hamas spokspeaple, IDF spokespeople, JPost articles, CNN, and research institutions, and Mr. B can arrive at his own conclusion based on the facts reported etc etc... I don't necessarily care how much you include - but there is no reason the JPost article should not be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activism1234 ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Governance of the Gaza Strip →
Hamas Government in Gaza –
This article's secondary title has for long been Hamas Government in Gaza, though it actually seems to be the most common and more specific naming for the Hamas-administered entity in the Gaza Strip. If we make comparison we get 215,000 results for "Hamas Government in Gaza"
[13], 22,200 results for "Hamas administration in Gaza" and 41,000 results for "Governance of the Gaza Strip" (most of which seem like copy-paste of wikipedia article). I herewith propose to rename it to Hamas Government in Gaza.
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The government of the Gaza Strip has already been reshuffled, which was described by the sources as a defacto new Hamas government [14], [15]. This changes the situation and requires another article or even two. I think that this article can be kept the same (or maybe renamed to "Hamas Administration in Gaza" because al-Sharq al-Awasat published an article suggesting Hamas moves towards official diplomatic regulations [16]) and include chapters on the first and second Hamas governments. Thoughts? Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa ( talk) 09:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Governance of the Gaza Strip → Government of the Gaza Strip – Most articles about Governments are at "Government of X" not "Governance of X". Is there some reason to make an exception here? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 14:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
This article is about the government right? So why is there so much stuff about the Gaza Strip in general rather then the government specifically, e.g. the "Demographics" and "Health" sections? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 00:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Frankly we can move the infobox from here to the Gaza Strip, but we cannot have two articles with infoboxes - it is confusing. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Now, when the infobox was decided to be moved to "Gaza Strip" article, maybe there is a point to rename this article to "Government of the Gaza Strip" or "Government at the Gaza Strip"? (without specifying "Hamas" in the title, but simply wikilinking the relevant article "Hamas government of 2012") Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Should we call the Hamas regime the "Hamas Government in Gaza"/"Hamas Government" or "Hamas administration in Gaza"/"Hamas administration". This article can't seam to make up it's mind as to which terms it wants to use.
Aslo the "government" terms [17] [18] seam to be much more commonly used then the "administration" terms. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The way I see it, it started as 'Hamas administration' but following the 2007 armed conflict, it became a de facto 'Hamas Government'. ATM we have two governments neither one recognize the other, both claiming to represent all the Palestinians and territories and both represent only one side. The one is West Bank is the only one who enjoys/ed the enjoys international support and accessibility(PLO effort, organization and its recognition is de facto the 'State of palestine' and vice versa). While in Gaza its the only government that actually have sovereignty over a definite territory. In the last 5 years there were talks but no real progress to reconciliate(the rift between the "old guard" and the "young guard" might be to much) and even though PLO position post the UN vote has been improved I am not sure it has the upper hand.-- Mor2 ( talk) 15:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
@Mor2, why did you restore the economic section? It has been moved to Gaza Strip article per common agreement that this article shall be used to describe the government system of Gaza, rather than other issues. Greyshark09 ( talk) 19:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article covers rather "contemporary" governance of the gaza strip; it does not cover previous governing bodies and/or entities; as the strip is a distinct area since 1948, the article is missing egyptian, israeli and hardly palestinian governance prior to 2007.-- Uwe a ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
"later took over" should probably be "latter took over"
Darn shame editing isn't allowed on this. Hate to take up space on a more sophisticated discussion but there are still uninformed people thinking Wikipedia isn't a real resource and typos don't help debunk their snobbish canards.
Dead link Islamic State in Gaza Link to Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.120.38.253 ( talk) 00:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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I propose adding a subsection under "2016 Hamas administration." The section, titled "2019 protests," will read:
In 2019, hundreds of Gaza residents protested on the streets against grim living conditions. Hamas accused the Palestinian Authority of fomenting these protests; the Palestinian Authority denied the charge. Responding to the protests, Hamas arrested and beat protestors and journalists. The Palestinian Authority news organization Wafa published pictures of Atef Abu Saif, the spokesman for Fatah in Gaza; the pictures showed Saif, bruised and bandaged, clothed in blood-stained garments and lying on a hospital bed. The Independent Commission for Human Rights in Gaza alleged that Hamas dispersed 25 protests and arrested 1,000 people, 300 of whom remained in custody. Protest "organizers say the protests will continue until Hamas cancels taxes on dozens of goods, creates a national employment program and releases everyone who has been arrested in the crackdown." [1] E8QLx4L ( talk) 17:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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The page does not even mention Yahya Sinwar, who is supposedly the "de facto ruler of the Gaza Strip"?! Kidburla ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
"According to OpEd Columnist Thomas Friedman of the NY Times, Gaza has been woefully mismanaged by Hamas, Gaza is pumping all its drinking water from its coastal aquifer at triple its renewable rate of recharge."
a) "OpEd Columnist Thomas Friedman of the NY Times" -> NYT opinion columnist Thomas Friedman
b) "has been mismanaged by Hamas, Gaza is pumping" -> "has been mismanaged by Hamas. Gaza is pumping" ( comma splice)
c) Is Friedman the source of the claim regarding the aquifer? The column is paywalled but it seems likely he's citing a different source for that. Could a better source be used for that claim?
d) Why is this line in the "Current Budget" section? It makes no mention of budgetary concerns and is unrelated to the preceding content. (Also, it would be nice if a section called "Current" was more up to date than 2012-2014 but that's another can of worms.)
Apex Editor ( talk) 21:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
pls, can't find the name of head of parliament and parliament members of gaza... pls make it simple. you give alot of history. they still make history. but the functions of today, names, titles, i can not find.. tnx 188.255.250.94 ( talk) 06:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Dan Palraz, 25stargeneral, Mauls, Omnipaedista, Longhornsg, Laggan Boy, Yue, { JamesMLane, Julle, Inteloff Currently the lede's last sentence is "In February 2017, Ismail Haniyeh was replaced as leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip by Yahya Sinwar." but the citation leads to "The Gaza Strip 11 November 2017 Updated: 26 February 2023" [1] archived edition: "Background on the Gaza Strip Published: 1 Jan 2011 Updated: 14 Jul 2014" [2] neither of which mention Haniyeh or Sinwar. Mcljlm ( talk) 04:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Most of the quote starting "Responded with another citizen of Rafah" doesn't make sense. The link in the citation [1] doesn't lead to anything with the translated quote. Mcljlm ( talk) 12:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gaza is part of Israel and controlled by the Israeli military. Hamas is given only the most nominal control, with Palestinians subject to kidnapping, murder, and physical assault at any time by the military. 2,000,000 Gazan residents have been herded into this 141 square mile concentration camp for the past 30 years. Water and electricity have been rationed and the state of siege has put the area in a state of famine and pestilence. While the two-state solution has been roundly decried, it is already here in an apartheid form with structural violence, dispossession, and economic hardship visited on the less fortunate segment of its population. The 25,000 tons of bombs provided by the US government that have already been dropped on Gaza since October 7, 2023 under the guise of self-defence amounts to 177 tons per square mile, or 1/80 of a ton per person. 174.29.183.191 ( talk) 09:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Oh great, yet another work of fiction masquerading as fact. As if Wikipedia didn't have enough of them already. 6SJ7 02:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the name of the article to "Governance of the Gaza Strip" and removed all references to "Gaza Strip Government". I hope this addresses some of the concerns mentioned in this discussion.
Dn9ahx ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I suggest any information unique to this page (which is not much) be merged into the article on Palestinian National Authority for the simple reason that Hamas has never claimed it is an entity separate from the PNA (and recognizes Mahmoud Abbas as the legitimate president). There do exist two separate governments that claim to be legitimate, but they both operate under the name "Palestinian National Authority". -- Fjmustak ( talk) 22:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
As someone who came here to learn more about Gaza, I was frustrated that this article fails to explain why Hamas and Fatah are in conflict, how their values differ, etc. Avocats ( talk) 01:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, I made a number of what I consider purely neutral grammar and usage clarity edits before reading the warning on this page. I deleted two or three sections of citations that seem to be run-on gibberish; this was not intended to be vandalism but rather to highlight the problem. I will probably revert them now and make a note somewhere about them. Avocats ( talk)
The following quote may be the result of auto-translate; it is incomprehensible.
Responded with another citizen of Rafah: 'Nude talk more about health crisis in Rafah and more exploited in the Drivers' Rafah ', while the other response more sharply, he said:' I wish, Lord, tells the story of Sheikh Eid any of these buses come from? , Is the bus power was to change the color and print the names and fake companies, good company, company Ailia, Islamic Society, as well as be confiscated diesel fuel from the stations and tunnels and traders, and is then to organize a campaign on behalf of Hamas to relieve citizens, but everyone knows ...... ., the story of diesel buses and the story of a failed attempt to improve the image of Hamas' Avocats ( talk) 01:18, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't delete this without the due respect of reading (and even possibly commenting) on the content.
Hamas was elected to fill a majority of Assembly seats. They were not elected with the mandate of overthrowing the REST of the democratically elected government and institutions that legitmately existed and helped govern the Gaza Strip. This fact was not duly reflected until my edits were made. My edits allow for the fact that Hamas had legitimacy because of their election originally, and the questioning of that legitimacy after they violated their election mandate. It is patently one sided to not make note of this. Gamesformay ( talk) 19:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
The article on Hamastan practically overlaps this one. Is there any reason not to merge it into the Governance of the Gaza Strip? Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
No need for much discussion here, I'm making this post because I forgot to give a reason for my revert in the edit summary. The aforementioned description that filled the "Government type" parameter in the infobox is supported by one highly unreliable reference. It's taken from a direct quote by an ex-CIA director James Woolsy who doesn't qualify as reliable neutral source. Here's the quote: Cooper noted immediate elections could thwart Egypt’s possibilities for freedom and democracy, because there really aren't many organized opposition forces, other than the Muslim Brotherhood. "Right, and that's what happened in Gaza," Woolsey said. "Hamas called for immediate elections, and we got one vote, one man – and it's now a theocratic dictatorship." Highly unworthy. Please do not reinsert. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Quote_from_former_CIA_official_in_Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip nableezy - 06:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
If Gaza entity is not a dictatorship, then i'm still curious what is it? It is as rediculous to claim Gaza is a democracy that North Korea is a democracy (People's Democratic Republic that is); however we can use the term single-party state, implemented for North Korea. In any case, Gaza as well as Palestinian Authority have not held any elections since 2006 - nations without elections cannot be defined as democracy or republic. Theocracy might not be a suitable term for Hamas government, yet, since it is a deeply religious single state establishment it is most similar to Iran - perhaps unitary state is a proper term?; I would ask other editors to give a proper term for Gaza strip governance to their best understanding (parliamentary democracy is out of question of course). Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
You are correct that authoritarian and dictatorship are not synonyms. Still, dictatorship is a form of government, and authoritarianism is a method, so dictatorship would probably make more sense to be in a box relating to type of government. -- Activism1234 ( talk) 23:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Since it has so far led to nowhere - let's make a poll of editors invovled in the article on the proper description of the Hamas rule in Gaza. The options are parliamentary democracy with postponed elections (official position), theocratic dictatorship (POV but seems to me reliable term), Single-party state (not fully correct, but de facto Hamas is the only party performing ligislation), unitary state (a somewhat soft term to describe the Gaza entity). We can also use two terms since the situation in the Gaza Strip is highly controvercial and confusing, not saying temporary (on the other hand North and South Koreas are temporary for now 62 years already). Greyshark09 ( talk) 07:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
*I agree mostly with what Al Ameer son stated, that it is a parliamentary democracy with elections on hold, and that any commentary that the government is "authoritarian" or whatnot is entirely unacceptable.
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There are several poor sources used in this edit. The edit uses idfblog.com to say, in the encyclopedia's voice, that Hamas holds summer camps to educate children in such topics as holding a Qassam rocket launcher to aiming at Israeli targets, and also conducting paramilitary exercises. The edit then uses a youtube video from PMW to claim that Hamas staged a re-enactment of the capturing of Gilad Shalit, then uses an editorial to claim that Hamas also regularly indoctrinates children. That's just the first 3 sentences. None of those sources, which are used repeatedly, are acceptable for making such statements of fact in an encyclopedia article. nableezy - 00:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The references I used include, but are not limited to, the following:
The PMW video is a real video taken from a media-watchdog group that records Palestinian television and uploads it to YouTube. If I watched Palestinian television that day at that hour on that channel, I too would've seen it. If needed, I can add in articles as well to support the PMW video. The editorial cited an article and then explained it. That was the reason for the editorial reference. As a whole, these references certainly qualify as real sources, and even if we were to remove one or two, the rest would still stand perfectly tall and be able to back up those other references. There is no reason to remove this critical information. If needed, I can find more references from news articles, political pundits, YouTube videos, Hamas statements, and Palestinian media outlets. That is not an issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activism1234 ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I will state here my support for the removal of the flammatory, poorly sourced claim that the government is a dictatorship. The Carnegie source states that the government is authoritative, this is very from saying its a dictatorship. The Rubin one is just a rant that includes broad generalizations and notably false statements. I forget the other one's and am confused by the page's history to find them... But still, no dice for such edits.
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I just removed a swathe of material added to the "Education" section by Activism1234 for a number of reasons, but most importantly the quality of the sources. Just to go through the wide majority of them, Youtube which is used three times ( [4], [5], [6]) is not a reliable source, blogs are not a reliable source (especially those of the Israeli military [7]), the Daily Caller article [8] appears to be a malware-infected site according to my computer and is highly biased anyway, the Arabic-language Agency Palestine Today [9], [10] is an unreliable source, photo albums [11] are unreliable and while townhall.com [12] is not necessarily unreliable, its extreme bias undermines its credibility. All in all these are just terrible sources that were most likely found in a basic google search.
Furthermore, passages like this that are backed by the reliable JPOST have no place in the article: The United Nations has opened up summer camps as well, which counter these camps run by Hamas. Approximately 250,000 children attend these camps, as of 2010. The participants engage in arts and crafts, sports and other cultural activities, and are mostly between the ages of six and 15.[ref] In May 2010, Muslim extremists attacked a UNRWA summer camp, which is sponsored by the United Nations. They tied up the guards and lit the camp on fire.[ref][ref] On top of the fact that Hamas involvement is speculation, what's this have to do with governance? All the information about summer camps by Hamas or the Islamic Jihad (not even a part of the govt.) have no relevance here. These are the activities of parties or organizations and if they belong anywhere its in their respective articles.
I get the feel that the recent edits are meant to simply demonize Hamas. Putting it simply, this is an encyclopedic article on the current government of the Gaza Strip, not a place to attack or praise Hamas. These edits do not improve the article, they only degrade it -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 01:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
More importantly, it still evades me why you would not remove the JPost article, after acknowleding that it is reliable, when it has to do with the subject. A piece of advice: stop arbitrarily removing material in an article that is valuable to understanding the article and then contradict yourself that said source is reliable and relevant to the article. I would like to reiterate, you stated JPost is reliable, and the article talked about Hamas summer camps. Your refusal to put it back in demonstrates a regrettable bias clouding your judgement. Instead of a comprehensive summary of education in the Gaza STrip, the picture that is being painted is basically not the full picture. If the facts paint a certain picture, so be it. The facts are - Hamas runs summer camps that teach children to hate and kill. Perhaps that's disgusting to Mr. A, and perhaps that's beautiful and praiseworthy to Mr. B. Mr. A can arrive at his own conclusion based on the facts reported in an unbiased way that are corroborated by a huge amount of references, among them pro-Hamas media outlets, anti-Hamas media outlets, UN spokespeople, hamas spokspeaple, IDF spokespeople, JPost articles, CNN, and research institutions, and Mr. B can arrive at his own conclusion based on the facts reported etc etc... I don't necessarily care how much you include - but there is no reason the JPost article should not be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activism1234 ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Governance of the Gaza Strip →
Hamas Government in Gaza –
This article's secondary title has for long been Hamas Government in Gaza, though it actually seems to be the most common and more specific naming for the Hamas-administered entity in the Gaza Strip. If we make comparison we get 215,000 results for "Hamas Government in Gaza"
[13], 22,200 results for "Hamas administration in Gaza" and 41,000 results for "Governance of the Gaza Strip" (most of which seem like copy-paste of wikipedia article). I herewith propose to rename it to Hamas Government in Gaza.
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The government of the Gaza Strip has already been reshuffled, which was described by the sources as a defacto new Hamas government [14], [15]. This changes the situation and requires another article or even two. I think that this article can be kept the same (or maybe renamed to "Hamas Administration in Gaza" because al-Sharq al-Awasat published an article suggesting Hamas moves towards official diplomatic regulations [16]) and include chapters on the first and second Hamas governments. Thoughts? Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa ( talk) 09:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Governance of the Gaza Strip → Government of the Gaza Strip – Most articles about Governments are at "Government of X" not "Governance of X". Is there some reason to make an exception here? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 14:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
This article is about the government right? So why is there so much stuff about the Gaza Strip in general rather then the government specifically, e.g. the "Demographics" and "Health" sections? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 00:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Frankly we can move the infobox from here to the Gaza Strip, but we cannot have two articles with infoboxes - it is confusing. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Now, when the infobox was decided to be moved to "Gaza Strip" article, maybe there is a point to rename this article to "Government of the Gaza Strip" or "Government at the Gaza Strip"? (without specifying "Hamas" in the title, but simply wikilinking the relevant article "Hamas government of 2012") Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Should we call the Hamas regime the "Hamas Government in Gaza"/"Hamas Government" or "Hamas administration in Gaza"/"Hamas administration". This article can't seam to make up it's mind as to which terms it wants to use.
Aslo the "government" terms [17] [18] seam to be much more commonly used then the "administration" terms. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The way I see it, it started as 'Hamas administration' but following the 2007 armed conflict, it became a de facto 'Hamas Government'. ATM we have two governments neither one recognize the other, both claiming to represent all the Palestinians and territories and both represent only one side. The one is West Bank is the only one who enjoys/ed the enjoys international support and accessibility(PLO effort, organization and its recognition is de facto the 'State of palestine' and vice versa). While in Gaza its the only government that actually have sovereignty over a definite territory. In the last 5 years there were talks but no real progress to reconciliate(the rift between the "old guard" and the "young guard" might be to much) and even though PLO position post the UN vote has been improved I am not sure it has the upper hand.-- Mor2 ( talk) 15:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
@Mor2, why did you restore the economic section? It has been moved to Gaza Strip article per common agreement that this article shall be used to describe the government system of Gaza, rather than other issues. Greyshark09 ( talk) 19:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article covers rather "contemporary" governance of the gaza strip; it does not cover previous governing bodies and/or entities; as the strip is a distinct area since 1948, the article is missing egyptian, israeli and hardly palestinian governance prior to 2007.-- Uwe a ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
"later took over" should probably be "latter took over"
Darn shame editing isn't allowed on this. Hate to take up space on a more sophisticated discussion but there are still uninformed people thinking Wikipedia isn't a real resource and typos don't help debunk their snobbish canards.
Dead link Islamic State in Gaza Link to Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.120.38.253 ( talk) 00:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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I propose adding a subsection under "2016 Hamas administration." The section, titled "2019 protests," will read:
In 2019, hundreds of Gaza residents protested on the streets against grim living conditions. Hamas accused the Palestinian Authority of fomenting these protests; the Palestinian Authority denied the charge. Responding to the protests, Hamas arrested and beat protestors and journalists. The Palestinian Authority news organization Wafa published pictures of Atef Abu Saif, the spokesman for Fatah in Gaza; the pictures showed Saif, bruised and bandaged, clothed in blood-stained garments and lying on a hospital bed. The Independent Commission for Human Rights in Gaza alleged that Hamas dispersed 25 protests and arrested 1,000 people, 300 of whom remained in custody. Protest "organizers say the protests will continue until Hamas cancels taxes on dozens of goods, creates a national employment program and releases everyone who has been arrested in the crackdown." [1] E8QLx4L ( talk) 17:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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The page does not even mention Yahya Sinwar, who is supposedly the "de facto ruler of the Gaza Strip"?! Kidburla ( talk) 12:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
"According to OpEd Columnist Thomas Friedman of the NY Times, Gaza has been woefully mismanaged by Hamas, Gaza is pumping all its drinking water from its coastal aquifer at triple its renewable rate of recharge."
a) "OpEd Columnist Thomas Friedman of the NY Times" -> NYT opinion columnist Thomas Friedman
b) "has been mismanaged by Hamas, Gaza is pumping" -> "has been mismanaged by Hamas. Gaza is pumping" ( comma splice)
c) Is Friedman the source of the claim regarding the aquifer? The column is paywalled but it seems likely he's citing a different source for that. Could a better source be used for that claim?
d) Why is this line in the "Current Budget" section? It makes no mention of budgetary concerns and is unrelated to the preceding content. (Also, it would be nice if a section called "Current" was more up to date than 2012-2014 but that's another can of worms.)
Apex Editor ( talk) 21:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
pls, can't find the name of head of parliament and parliament members of gaza... pls make it simple. you give alot of history. they still make history. but the functions of today, names, titles, i can not find.. tnx 188.255.250.94 ( talk) 06:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Dan Palraz, 25stargeneral, Mauls, Omnipaedista, Longhornsg, Laggan Boy, Yue, { JamesMLane, Julle, Inteloff Currently the lede's last sentence is "In February 2017, Ismail Haniyeh was replaced as leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip by Yahya Sinwar." but the citation leads to "The Gaza Strip 11 November 2017 Updated: 26 February 2023" [1] archived edition: "Background on the Gaza Strip Published: 1 Jan 2011 Updated: 14 Jul 2014" [2] neither of which mention Haniyeh or Sinwar. Mcljlm ( talk) 04:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Most of the quote starting "Responded with another citizen of Rafah" doesn't make sense. The link in the citation [1] doesn't lead to anything with the translated quote. Mcljlm ( talk) 12:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gaza is part of Israel and controlled by the Israeli military. Hamas is given only the most nominal control, with Palestinians subject to kidnapping, murder, and physical assault at any time by the military. 2,000,000 Gazan residents have been herded into this 141 square mile concentration camp for the past 30 years. Water and electricity have been rationed and the state of siege has put the area in a state of famine and pestilence. While the two-state solution has been roundly decried, it is already here in an apartheid form with structural violence, dispossession, and economic hardship visited on the less fortunate segment of its population. The 25,000 tons of bombs provided by the US government that have already been dropped on Gaza since October 7, 2023 under the guise of self-defence amounts to 177 tons per square mile, or 1/80 of a ton per person. 174.29.183.191 ( talk) 09:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)