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Hold on... So he was Enver Pasha's uncle.. Yet they were born on the same day?
Why Halil Pasha redirects only to this article without
disambiguation notice?
Çandarlı Halil Pasha is also refereed to as Halil Pasha (
Critical M104 (
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00:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC))
The title of the article is "Halil Kut", but we refer to him as "Halil Pasha". The Pasha article indicates that this indicates a rank, and the Turkish name article indicates that at this time Turkish citizens did not use surnames, so presumably Halil and Kut are both given names. Would Kut have been his father's name?
However, he was the victor of the Siege of Kut. Is it a coincidence that this is one of his names? Did he take this name after his victory there? Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Based on a single reference (2), Halil Kut was declared to be "mainly responsible" for the mass deportations during WWI. The reference itself is a general book and not clear if it even mentions Halil Pasa by name. I would like to see the actual reference, maybe a few more highlighting his role and alleged responsibilities in these events. I have actually studied his life a little, and he has a mostly pure military career, spent mostly in the fronts and was not political like his infamous uncle. It seems inappropriate that the article opens with this dubious claim. Unless this is cleared up in a while, I will make the necessary edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudavendigar ( talk • contribs) (this editor's post was made on 14 July 2018)
I noticed that the quote that is supposedly attributed to Halil Pasa is not transcribed correctly, and only half the sentence seems to be quoted. If not corrected, it will be removed. Clearly Halil Pasa refers to his experiences in the Caucuses Front fighting Russians and Armenian insurgents fighting along them. He did not spend even a year in the area before being rushed to Mesopotamia. If someone can not find a specific reference and instance of his involvement in Tehcir, I will be forced to remove this whole paragraph which seems to create the impression he had a leading role in evacuating Armenians from Russian front. Murat ( talk) 16:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
In the article there are several references to Halil Pasha's memoirs and one of them is a book written by Taylan Soygun as a Turk I have to inform you that it's an unreliable source for several reasons. First of all Taylan Sorgun is a journalist who has no academic background, second of all in the last two decades writting fake memoirs is a very popular trend among Turkish journalists. If you look online you could find examples such as "Memoirs of Sultan Abdulhamid". You can notice these fake memoirs by looking at the vocublary, Ottoman Era Turkish had lots of loan words and was written in Arabic alphabet. Nedim Sancar ( talk) 17:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
There are some very specific acts attributed to Halil Pasha all throughout the article. Needs to be supported by actual facts, not words from highly subjective sources. As mentioned before, he spent little time in Eastern Turkey but it is made to sound as if the whole burden of Tehcir and atrocities were his responsibility. Did someone see him shoot and kill civilians? Where are the orders he was supposed to have given? Copies, dates, to whom etc..
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Hold on... So he was Enver Pasha's uncle.. Yet they were born on the same day?
Why Halil Pasha redirects only to this article without
disambiguation notice?
Çandarlı Halil Pasha is also refereed to as Halil Pasha (
Critical M104 (
talk)
00:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC))
The title of the article is "Halil Kut", but we refer to him as "Halil Pasha". The Pasha article indicates that this indicates a rank, and the Turkish name article indicates that at this time Turkish citizens did not use surnames, so presumably Halil and Kut are both given names. Would Kut have been his father's name?
However, he was the victor of the Siege of Kut. Is it a coincidence that this is one of his names? Did he take this name after his victory there? Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Based on a single reference (2), Halil Kut was declared to be "mainly responsible" for the mass deportations during WWI. The reference itself is a general book and not clear if it even mentions Halil Pasa by name. I would like to see the actual reference, maybe a few more highlighting his role and alleged responsibilities in these events. I have actually studied his life a little, and he has a mostly pure military career, spent mostly in the fronts and was not political like his infamous uncle. It seems inappropriate that the article opens with this dubious claim. Unless this is cleared up in a while, I will make the necessary edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudavendigar ( talk • contribs) (this editor's post was made on 14 July 2018)
I noticed that the quote that is supposedly attributed to Halil Pasa is not transcribed correctly, and only half the sentence seems to be quoted. If not corrected, it will be removed. Clearly Halil Pasa refers to his experiences in the Caucuses Front fighting Russians and Armenian insurgents fighting along them. He did not spend even a year in the area before being rushed to Mesopotamia. If someone can not find a specific reference and instance of his involvement in Tehcir, I will be forced to remove this whole paragraph which seems to create the impression he had a leading role in evacuating Armenians from Russian front. Murat ( talk) 16:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
In the article there are several references to Halil Pasha's memoirs and one of them is a book written by Taylan Soygun as a Turk I have to inform you that it's an unreliable source for several reasons. First of all Taylan Sorgun is a journalist who has no academic background, second of all in the last two decades writting fake memoirs is a very popular trend among Turkish journalists. If you look online you could find examples such as "Memoirs of Sultan Abdulhamid". You can notice these fake memoirs by looking at the vocublary, Ottoman Era Turkish had lots of loan words and was written in Arabic alphabet. Nedim Sancar ( talk) 17:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
There are some very specific acts attributed to Halil Pasha all throughout the article. Needs to be supported by actual facts, not words from highly subjective sources. As mentioned before, he spent little time in Eastern Turkey but it is made to sound as if the whole burden of Tehcir and atrocities were his responsibility. Did someone see him shoot and kill civilians? Where are the orders he was supposed to have given? Copies, dates, to whom etc..