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Article listed on WP:VFD Sep 13 to Sep 20 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:
End discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 11:42, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This part has been removed, reason is "no source provided". :His relatives were Albanian immigrants from Kosovo who bared the familyname Shyqiri, that later developped in the Turkish form Şükür. This is what makes Hakan to be loved both in Turkey as well as in Albania. -- Ugur Basak 08:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Where is there a source on this? I can't find any credible information that he won such an award, let alone finding any information if there was even an award. The European Golden Boot is ruled out, because Mario Jardel won it in 1998. Also, it could not have been the FIFA Golden Shoe, as Turkey did not qualify for the World Cup in 1998. Can 03:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed Torinolu Şaban nickname, because it means Şaban the Torinian. This nickname is only used by rival clubs fans to insult him. -- Ugur Basak 10:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
FALSE
Turkish Newspaper:
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/1997/02/27/spor/gs.html
Search Google:
http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=Torinolu+%C5%9Eaban
This nickname is only used by all supporters fans to insult him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.97.151.203 ( talk • contribs) .
Ugur Basak galatasaray supporters nicname no want.
Nicknamed the "Bull from Bosporus", Sinan Samil Sam
Hakan Sükür No nickname The Bull of the Bosphorus. Nickname Hakan Sükür = Torinolu Şaban
http://www.google.com.tr/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=torinolu+%C5%9Faban
http://sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=torinolu%20şaban
http://www.zamane-sozluk.com/tr/sozluk.asp?x=torinolu%20saban
Of course Sukur means something in turkish but his family changed surname after coming to Turkey.
some people like or not, Hakan is known by most people as the most idiotic turkish footballer ever. that's why he is being called as Saban the Torinian. People do not call him Saban the Torinian in order to insult him, but it is just because he is Saban. and another fact that should be mentioned in his article that he demanded 100.000 capasitated mosque to be built in Turin when he transferred to Torino. He probably noticed in Turin that many italian living in Turin and there was no mosque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.53.115 ( talk) 02:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, do we need a list of all his international goals? I can't see in any way how this fits into an encyclopedia. I think that part should be removed or seriously shortened (we don't need 4 lines if he shot 4 goals in one game). 213.157.11.56 16:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
We do need it because his performance at national games is big for Turkey. This person did a lot for Turkish football and I think there is a right for it to stay on Wiki.
i want to speak to the r..ard that mad this piece of s..t website!
On the bottom of the page, there is a link to a page called 'Turkish Christians'. I am very sure Hakan Şükür is not a Christian. If anybody has a source for this, please post. rokkafellah ( talk) 18:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
All right, enough with this non-sense. Find a source or let this die already. I don't know which is more surprising, seeing how easy it is to substantiate a baseless claim or people continue to discussing this without a source (credible or otherwise). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.236.184 ( talk) 18:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The name Hakan is certainly Turk and as per his family name Şükür/ Shyqiri, I guess that is more related to Islam in general than to Turkishness in particular.
Arabs and Berbers have the word "shukry" or "chukry" which means "cherished" and "shokran /shukran" for "thanks". Albanians were one of the prominent people under the Ottomite Empire and most Muslim Albanians bear Turkish names and even family names seem Turkish, although ethnic Albanian.
I remember that once, in the Italian RAI TV, after a game clash with Igli Tare, the Albanian stricker, the Italian journalists seeking for tabloid news were pointing that a sort of "Balkanic War" had erupted between these two players. Here is where Hakan commented his kosovar ancestry, dennying any sort of animosity.
I also remember that in this Wikipedia´s article there was a source in Turkish (or Albanian, I am not really sure ...) that pointed out Şükür´s Kossovar descent, but it was erased. I assume that Turkish fanatics do not like very much when Albos claim the best player in all Turkish Soccer History to be one of them.
Personally, I do not understand this attitude: Lefter Küçükandoniŷadi was of Greek descent but proudly defended the Turkish colours with honor, the same way Hakan did. Periptero ( talk) 00:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
he is not an ethnic albaian. albanian immigrants and ethnic albanians are different things. lefter was an ethnic greek but theres not any word about your dream.-- 94.54.245.56 ( talk) 15:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Albanian immigrants are not "ethnic" Albanians ? Albanian immigrants to Turkey are "ethnic" Turks then ? Maybe in Atatürk's POV. By the way, there is an article in a Kosova daily where an investigation was carried out, and finaly Hakan declared (apparently, nead to check) that he was part Cherkess from his paternal side, part Torbesh from his mother's. Anyway, he seems not to be from Turk or Turkic or "ethnic" Turk origin. Still one of the greatest Turkish strikers ever. Periptero ( talk) 01:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
theres not any source about your claim Periptero...-- Finn Diesel ( talk) 22:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
hakan şükür is an ethnic Uzbek Turk whose familiy was immigrated from Balkans, as he states so.-- Alpha Beta Gaga ( talk) 12:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Guys, I claim nothing. I just point out what I have got through. In an interview from "Kosova Sot" newspaper in 2001, Hakan stated he's NOT Albanian, therefore end of the question.
As a matter of fact, he pointed out that his family migrated to Prishtine and Mitrovice. His grandfather was a Cherkez officer in the Turkish army sent to surpress the Albanian Insurgency lead by Isa Boletini and Hasan Prishtina back in 1910's.
This is his only tie with Kosovo, nothing to do with kosovar albanians. Since I have no link source yet, I write it down here and not in the text. Periptero ( talk) 19:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
This is now well established after Hakan Sukur's announcement, where he called himself "an Albanian, not a Turk", which made the news and even the Turkish Primer Minister commented on it. Including the appropriate references (which were already in the Turkish Wikipedia), I am amending the article to reflect this (and hopefully ending this senseless discussion). Enozkan ( talk) 09:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
A lot of unsourced POV text in here that oughtn't to be. "...the country's greatest football star" and "...an unselfish nature and a penchant for scoring crucial and memorable goals has assured him of a special place in the hearts of Turkish football fans" are two prime examples. Dancarney ( talk) 16:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Can Bartu(Fiorentina) is the first Turkish footballer played in Serie A, not Hakan Şükür.-- 94.54.240.54 ( talk) 04:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There was a link provided by a user (User:Kedadi) stating that Şükür was born to "a Kosovo Albanian" father. I kept the link but I changed to "kosovar" father, since there is no reference about his family being albanian and there are other ethnicities in Kosova than albanians (comprising Turks)
Here below is the article provided:
"Hakkan Şükür, ish-futbolisti i Interit dhe i Galatasarayt është me prejardhje nga Kosova. Babai i tij ka lindur në Prishtinë, ndërsa më vonë është shpërngulur në Turqi"
This is the translation to English:
Hakkan Şükür, the former Galatasaray and Inter Milan footballer is originally from Kosovo. His father was born in Pristina, and later moved to Turkey" Periptero ( talk) 12:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
No he is born in Turkey so he is Turk. Redman19 ( talk) 13:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
If you want to edit something please discuss it here first, dont revert the whole page. Redman19 ( talk) 14:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
2 - The intro was filled with POV/weasel - exhaustive repetition of how good he was, when one time is enough - forbidden by Wikipedia, i toned it down a little bit - i also admit i should not have removed everything, i apologize for that, but please let me contribute to the article as well, rephrasing some stuff - especially in INTRO - or do you feel i do not have the right? Also in the introduction, which was needlessly long - it's called INTRODUCTION - why was the bit about his Serie A and Premier League (especially the latter is important, as this is English wiki) removed? I reinstated it.
3 - Another thing which is "compulsive" here at at the site is that birthplaces should be introduced in storyline, not intro, i retrieved it and you reverted it, wrongfully.
4 - Wording: no need to say "Süper Lig" over and over again, over and over again, just "league" is enough after the first reference. I also see that some of my wikilinks to football seasons were removed. Perhaps i was not the only one reverting/removing stuff without discuss stuff first...
5 - In infobox, just "Adazapari" is enough, we'll add both town and province in storyline itself, box should be compressed as much whenever possible. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we should just let an admin check the page. Redman19 ( talk) 10:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Will go through it point by point.
Wow, I think that just about covers it. Let me know your thoughts, please get back to me on the important bolded questions, and if the response is positive, I'll go ahead and make the changes suggested above. Camw ( talk) 12:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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... says this, Resnjari :
…"I am Albanian, as such I am not a Turk." This line, quoted from a talk [Hakan Şükür] gave at a university, produced strong reactions the media, and soon Şükür was forced to clarify what he meant. He accused the media of taking his sentence out of context, stating that it was part of an answer to a question posed by a Kurdish student... Şükür had asserted "Racial narratives should be discarded to maintain national unity. If we embrace our fundamental differences as our divisions instead of our richness, we would lose. For example, I am of Albanian descent; from your point of view, I am not a Turk either."
Şükür is not asserting an Albanian identity here (though also not denying it); he certainly is not denying himself a Turkish identity either. On the opposite, it is quite clear that he is instead actually asserting a Turkish identity preceding any Albanian (if any-- he only says "descent") and normatively asserting this should be so for the Kurdish too. If anything, this statement is a denial of the value (if not the authenticity) of Kurdish identity and by extention non-Turkish Albanian identity in Turkey. It is absolutely not what it was being portrayed on the page as. I think we need to either have the whole situation explained or none of it-- the previous version really is very misrepresentative on this BLP. Personally I don't think this belongs here; it says a lot more about Turkey than about Hakan Şükür, whose view is in fact very mainstream in Turkey and not that notable.-- Calthinus ( talk) 04:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Şükür is of Albanian origin. Both his parents are immigrants from Yugoslavia, his father being born in Pristina, and his mother in Skopje. Both his parents from today Kosovo and North Macedonia. North Macedonia is independent state since 1991. 25% from its population are Albanians. He is not from Slav Macedonian origin. There are no sources supporting such view. Jingiby ( talk) 04:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
If Turkey charged him for terrorism through association with Gulen org, should we categorize his article that way? ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 08:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Article listed on WP:VFD Sep 13 to Sep 20 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:
End discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 11:42, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This part has been removed, reason is "no source provided". :His relatives were Albanian immigrants from Kosovo who bared the familyname Shyqiri, that later developped in the Turkish form Şükür. This is what makes Hakan to be loved both in Turkey as well as in Albania. -- Ugur Basak 08:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Where is there a source on this? I can't find any credible information that he won such an award, let alone finding any information if there was even an award. The European Golden Boot is ruled out, because Mario Jardel won it in 1998. Also, it could not have been the FIFA Golden Shoe, as Turkey did not qualify for the World Cup in 1998. Can 03:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed Torinolu Şaban nickname, because it means Şaban the Torinian. This nickname is only used by rival clubs fans to insult him. -- Ugur Basak 10:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
FALSE
Turkish Newspaper:
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/1997/02/27/spor/gs.html
Search Google:
http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=Torinolu+%C5%9Eaban
This nickname is only used by all supporters fans to insult him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.97.151.203 ( talk • contribs) .
Ugur Basak galatasaray supporters nicname no want.
Nicknamed the "Bull from Bosporus", Sinan Samil Sam
Hakan Sükür No nickname The Bull of the Bosphorus. Nickname Hakan Sükür = Torinolu Şaban
http://www.google.com.tr/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=torinolu+%C5%9Faban
http://sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=torinolu%20şaban
http://www.zamane-sozluk.com/tr/sozluk.asp?x=torinolu%20saban
Of course Sukur means something in turkish but his family changed surname after coming to Turkey.
some people like or not, Hakan is known by most people as the most idiotic turkish footballer ever. that's why he is being called as Saban the Torinian. People do not call him Saban the Torinian in order to insult him, but it is just because he is Saban. and another fact that should be mentioned in his article that he demanded 100.000 capasitated mosque to be built in Turin when he transferred to Torino. He probably noticed in Turin that many italian living in Turin and there was no mosque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.53.115 ( talk) 02:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, do we need a list of all his international goals? I can't see in any way how this fits into an encyclopedia. I think that part should be removed or seriously shortened (we don't need 4 lines if he shot 4 goals in one game). 213.157.11.56 16:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
We do need it because his performance at national games is big for Turkey. This person did a lot for Turkish football and I think there is a right for it to stay on Wiki.
i want to speak to the r..ard that mad this piece of s..t website!
On the bottom of the page, there is a link to a page called 'Turkish Christians'. I am very sure Hakan Şükür is not a Christian. If anybody has a source for this, please post. rokkafellah ( talk) 18:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
All right, enough with this non-sense. Find a source or let this die already. I don't know which is more surprising, seeing how easy it is to substantiate a baseless claim or people continue to discussing this without a source (credible or otherwise). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.236.184 ( talk) 18:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The name Hakan is certainly Turk and as per his family name Şükür/ Shyqiri, I guess that is more related to Islam in general than to Turkishness in particular.
Arabs and Berbers have the word "shukry" or "chukry" which means "cherished" and "shokran /shukran" for "thanks". Albanians were one of the prominent people under the Ottomite Empire and most Muslim Albanians bear Turkish names and even family names seem Turkish, although ethnic Albanian.
I remember that once, in the Italian RAI TV, after a game clash with Igli Tare, the Albanian stricker, the Italian journalists seeking for tabloid news were pointing that a sort of "Balkanic War" had erupted between these two players. Here is where Hakan commented his kosovar ancestry, dennying any sort of animosity.
I also remember that in this Wikipedia´s article there was a source in Turkish (or Albanian, I am not really sure ...) that pointed out Şükür´s Kossovar descent, but it was erased. I assume that Turkish fanatics do not like very much when Albos claim the best player in all Turkish Soccer History to be one of them.
Personally, I do not understand this attitude: Lefter Küçükandoniŷadi was of Greek descent but proudly defended the Turkish colours with honor, the same way Hakan did. Periptero ( talk) 00:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
he is not an ethnic albaian. albanian immigrants and ethnic albanians are different things. lefter was an ethnic greek but theres not any word about your dream.-- 94.54.245.56 ( talk) 15:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Albanian immigrants are not "ethnic" Albanians ? Albanian immigrants to Turkey are "ethnic" Turks then ? Maybe in Atatürk's POV. By the way, there is an article in a Kosova daily where an investigation was carried out, and finaly Hakan declared (apparently, nead to check) that he was part Cherkess from his paternal side, part Torbesh from his mother's. Anyway, he seems not to be from Turk or Turkic or "ethnic" Turk origin. Still one of the greatest Turkish strikers ever. Periptero ( talk) 01:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
theres not any source about your claim Periptero...-- Finn Diesel ( talk) 22:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
hakan şükür is an ethnic Uzbek Turk whose familiy was immigrated from Balkans, as he states so.-- Alpha Beta Gaga ( talk) 12:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Guys, I claim nothing. I just point out what I have got through. In an interview from "Kosova Sot" newspaper in 2001, Hakan stated he's NOT Albanian, therefore end of the question.
As a matter of fact, he pointed out that his family migrated to Prishtine and Mitrovice. His grandfather was a Cherkez officer in the Turkish army sent to surpress the Albanian Insurgency lead by Isa Boletini and Hasan Prishtina back in 1910's.
This is his only tie with Kosovo, nothing to do with kosovar albanians. Since I have no link source yet, I write it down here and not in the text. Periptero ( talk) 19:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
This is now well established after Hakan Sukur's announcement, where he called himself "an Albanian, not a Turk", which made the news and even the Turkish Primer Minister commented on it. Including the appropriate references (which were already in the Turkish Wikipedia), I am amending the article to reflect this (and hopefully ending this senseless discussion). Enozkan ( talk) 09:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
A lot of unsourced POV text in here that oughtn't to be. "...the country's greatest football star" and "...an unselfish nature and a penchant for scoring crucial and memorable goals has assured him of a special place in the hearts of Turkish football fans" are two prime examples. Dancarney ( talk) 16:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Can Bartu(Fiorentina) is the first Turkish footballer played in Serie A, not Hakan Şükür.-- 94.54.240.54 ( talk) 04:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There was a link provided by a user (User:Kedadi) stating that Şükür was born to "a Kosovo Albanian" father. I kept the link but I changed to "kosovar" father, since there is no reference about his family being albanian and there are other ethnicities in Kosova than albanians (comprising Turks)
Here below is the article provided:
"Hakkan Şükür, ish-futbolisti i Interit dhe i Galatasarayt është me prejardhje nga Kosova. Babai i tij ka lindur në Prishtinë, ndërsa më vonë është shpërngulur në Turqi"
This is the translation to English:
Hakkan Şükür, the former Galatasaray and Inter Milan footballer is originally from Kosovo. His father was born in Pristina, and later moved to Turkey" Periptero ( talk) 12:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
No he is born in Turkey so he is Turk. Redman19 ( talk) 13:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
If you want to edit something please discuss it here first, dont revert the whole page. Redman19 ( talk) 14:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
2 - The intro was filled with POV/weasel - exhaustive repetition of how good he was, when one time is enough - forbidden by Wikipedia, i toned it down a little bit - i also admit i should not have removed everything, i apologize for that, but please let me contribute to the article as well, rephrasing some stuff - especially in INTRO - or do you feel i do not have the right? Also in the introduction, which was needlessly long - it's called INTRODUCTION - why was the bit about his Serie A and Premier League (especially the latter is important, as this is English wiki) removed? I reinstated it.
3 - Another thing which is "compulsive" here at at the site is that birthplaces should be introduced in storyline, not intro, i retrieved it and you reverted it, wrongfully.
4 - Wording: no need to say "Süper Lig" over and over again, over and over again, just "league" is enough after the first reference. I also see that some of my wikilinks to football seasons were removed. Perhaps i was not the only one reverting/removing stuff without discuss stuff first...
5 - In infobox, just "Adazapari" is enough, we'll add both town and province in storyline itself, box should be compressed as much whenever possible. Attentively - -- Vasco Amaral ( talk) 02:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we should just let an admin check the page. Redman19 ( talk) 10:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Will go through it point by point.
Wow, I think that just about covers it. Let me know your thoughts, please get back to me on the important bolded questions, and if the response is positive, I'll go ahead and make the changes suggested above. Camw ( talk) 12:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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... says this, Resnjari :
…"I am Albanian, as such I am not a Turk." This line, quoted from a talk [Hakan Şükür] gave at a university, produced strong reactions the media, and soon Şükür was forced to clarify what he meant. He accused the media of taking his sentence out of context, stating that it was part of an answer to a question posed by a Kurdish student... Şükür had asserted "Racial narratives should be discarded to maintain national unity. If we embrace our fundamental differences as our divisions instead of our richness, we would lose. For example, I am of Albanian descent; from your point of view, I am not a Turk either."
Şükür is not asserting an Albanian identity here (though also not denying it); he certainly is not denying himself a Turkish identity either. On the opposite, it is quite clear that he is instead actually asserting a Turkish identity preceding any Albanian (if any-- he only says "descent") and normatively asserting this should be so for the Kurdish too. If anything, this statement is a denial of the value (if not the authenticity) of Kurdish identity and by extention non-Turkish Albanian identity in Turkey. It is absolutely not what it was being portrayed on the page as. I think we need to either have the whole situation explained or none of it-- the previous version really is very misrepresentative on this BLP. Personally I don't think this belongs here; it says a lot more about Turkey than about Hakan Şükür, whose view is in fact very mainstream in Turkey and not that notable.-- Calthinus ( talk) 04:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Şükür is of Albanian origin. Both his parents are immigrants from Yugoslavia, his father being born in Pristina, and his mother in Skopje. Both his parents from today Kosovo and North Macedonia. North Macedonia is independent state since 1991. 25% from its population are Albanians. He is not from Slav Macedonian origin. There are no sources supporting such view. Jingiby ( talk) 04:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
If Turkey charged him for terrorism through association with Gulen org, should we categorize his article that way? ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 08:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)