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hi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.133.171.248 ( talk • contribs) 14:38, July 14, 2007.
The paragraph about a possible Toronto production violates the principle that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation" [1]. It also reads, as I mentioned in my edit summary, very much like a press agent (although perhaps a press agent would have more [insert your own word here] than to sound so --"fan"ish). Reference is obviously needed, I held my "delete" mentality in check, but I was sorely tempted. JeanColumbia 13:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The plot synopsis added on October 31, 2007, is a direct copy (with a few minor changes) from the web site: [ [3]].
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I conclude that using the plot synopsis from the allmusicals web site is a copyright violation and am therefore removing it and reinstating the previous plot synopsis. Should I be wrong and should there be permission, that should be noted here. JeanColumbia 08:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
An editor deleted the cast/character lists and instead replaced them with a reference to the list of characters in a separate article. I have reinstated the cast/character list in this article, because I think the article should be a stand-alone, self contained "whole" set of information. It is more encyclopedic this way. In my opinion, the cast/character list is a very important piece of the information about a musical. The reader should not have to look elsewhere for the basic information. The reader might want more, and thus the additional listing (to which I have now provided a link) is great. Thank you, JeanColumbia 09:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I just thought I would say that Hairspray (2007 film) is currently undergoing a peer review in hopes of further improving the article. Seeing as the film was based on this musical, I thought I would post here to let the regular editors of this article know that any contributions they could make would be more than welcome. Thanks! — Mears man ( talk) 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought the plot sounded "smooth"--well sure it did, it's copied from the offcial web site: [ [5]]. I think I changed it enough so that it's no longer a copyright violation, but if no one else gets to it today, I'll review it again within the next few days.
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JeanColumbia ( talk) 16:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Lovely plot write-up, Mark E. I made just a few minor edits (one thing I tried to adhere to is the Musical Theatre structure format about no stage directions in the plot). I have no pictures. JeanColumbia ( talk) 12:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The article is really coming along. If it had a critical reception section (and mabye some info about box-office), I think it would be B-class. Do any of the references describe the musical style? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by JeanColumbia ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
At WP:MUSICALS, a recent consensus was not to add voice parts to musicals. The voice part designations are unreliable and can change from production to production. Also the internet sources for voice part designations are not reliable. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I attempted to correct glaring errors in the character descriptions but my edits were reverted. Perhaps this was due to some format problem or uncredited sources (maybe it was just more info that wanted) but here I will cite text for you and you can do with it as you please. If it were up to me this would not be a B-class article with some of this misinformation. In the Broadway show Edna runs a laundry business out of her home, her first scene involves giving Prudy her laundry (pretty pricey for a few pairs of petty pants). Later she says she had a dream too once she "dreamt of making her own line of queen size clothing" this is said before Timeless to Me. Tracy also never says I want to be on the Corny Collins show, the line is "but mama, I wanna be famous!" before Mama Im a Big Girl Now. In addition to suggest that Link only loves Tracy for her inner beauty is to ignore the point of the show that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and to ignore his 2 lines "you look beautiful...(behind bars; when youre unconcious)." Amber has less than stellar abilities established by her mom (Amber your dancing was atrocious today), Tracy (I guess Ambers pretty but she cant dance) and Penny (plastic little spastic). While obnoxious certainly describes Velma, scheming is more to the point because 1)she says "Amber Im willing to lie cheat and steal to win you that crown" and she also "****ed the judges" to win her own crown back in her hayday and 2)her meddling is what causes Tracy to go into solitary confinement ("It pays to have a politician in your pocket" & "Mrs Von Tussle, manipulating our judicial system just to win a contest is unamerican"). Maybe Wilbur is a secondary character but he expressly says he dreamt of "opening a chain of joke shops world wide" and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be important that he's the one who tells her "tracy, this tv thing you really want it? (its my dream daddy) then you go for it!". The "Step On Up" song I attempted to add to the additional songs section is a highly discussed song and worth including, I can cite online sources if this is better than saying its in the coffee table book, I interviewed the original Motormouth for a website once and it was a topic of discussion. I also tried to add "Velma's Revenge" as a song but its not on the cast album so maybe that needs to be under "additional songs" but it is a song in the show "shes a blemish, a blackhead that must be expelled, theres a standard of beauty that must be upheld". Another mistake I've found is that you credit I Know Where I've Been to Motormouth and Nadine. There is no Nadine in the Broadway show, the dynamite track that backs up Motormouth on that song is named Pearl, Nadine is the name used in the MOVIE, this is not true for the show. I can find a source that explains that the dynamite tracks on Bway are Pearl, Peaches and Cindy Watkins if its necessary. 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 06:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC) christina
I'm glad you were able to incorporate the information that you did. Im still sort of new to Wikipedia and I feel like Im always doing something wrong. Here's some info on songs and other stuff. "Velma's Revenge" appeared in your synopsis, but not under the musical numbers heading... it is a musical number, in the show even now but its not on the cast recording. The controversy around "I Know Where I've Been" and the lyrics to the other song they wrote "Step On Up" appear on pages 142 and 143 of Hairspray, The Roots. The Roots is the closest source you can possibly have to the show, its by Mark O'Donnell (Author), Thomas Meehan (Author), Marc Shaiman (Author), Scott Wittman (Author) -practically the entire creative team. Its a Faber & Faber; First Edition edition (April 30, 2003). You can check it out on Amazon, they let you see inside a page or two. On page 62 of the same book they describe a song called "It Doesn't Get Better Than This" which was written for Wilbur before they tried "Positivity" but both were ultimately cut. You refer to Velma's Cha Cha, the book on page 109 has the lyrics to a "Mother-Daughter Cha Cha" that was sung on Mother-Daughter Day at the end of act 1. In the place where you describe Velma's Cha Cha, there is a cut song, but the song there seemed to be titled "No One On This TV Show" (lyrics on pg 59) and fits the description you supply for Velma's Cha Cha, she sings making fun of Tracy but it was cut because they didnt want the audience listening to someone being so mean to the hero- I think perhaps the two songs were confused in the write up here or maybe its an entirely different song that was also tried. And early on when the show still involved a miss auto show crown instead of miss hairspray, in the place where "It's Hairspray" is sung now there was a song called "Take a Spin" sung by Corny, this is on page 149 where it basically says that they dropped the auto show idea because cars on stage are expensive. If you visit the official site for Hairspray In London, you see theyve actually noted the names of the dynamite tracks (Cindy, Peaches and Pearl) in their cast list. http://www.hairspraythemusical.co.uk/cast.html Reading it again, the "stern but kind" description of Edna sounds off. Edna in the musical hasn't been out of her house since "Mamie Eisenhower rolled her hose and bobbed her bangs" until Tracy gets her out for Welcome To The Sixties but even after her transformation she isnt confident because Big Blonde and Beautiful is also sung to Edna to get her to see herself as beautiful when she refuses to appear on TV at her current weight, and again with Timeless To Me, Wilbur is trying to cheer her up when she feels like her window of opportunity to fulfill her own dreams has passed. Shes shy, insecure about her weight and not making the most of her life. She tells Tracy not to audition because she fears Tracy will be made fun of not because shes stern. Of course she's angry with Tracy for getting detention but thats not a staying theme like her poor self image is. Thats all for now, Im going to take a look at the Wicked listing (which I hear is fabulous) and try to figure out some equivalent information for Hairspray. I promise to give you some time off before I come being a bother again. :) 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 05:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Velma sings "Velma's Revenge" on her own, shes really the only person on stage for that scene, on Broadway two boys are on stage facing the wall while she sings simply to be there to pull the set piece back when the scene ends. The Madison and The Nicest Kids Reprise dont appear on the soundtrack either, since I notice you included a symbol to indicate that, you may want to add that to those songs as well.
Also noteworthy about the cast album is that it was recorded before they came to New York so there are lyrics on the cast album that are different in the show now.
There are errors in the background but I would need to look things up if you need a reference, Im used to being my own reference. Ive seen it over a hundred times, Ive worked for several cast members, Ive even seen it on tour in Los Angeles and the casino version in Atlantic City and these days Im running a Hairspray message board with the help of people at Margo Lion's office (you saw my fun facts topic on the musical theatre talk page).
I'll come back to other changes next time I check in because I've got a wealth of proof for I Know Where I've Been's controversial status as follows... (it might be overkill but here it is) According to The Roots page 142, on I Know Where Ive Been: "This was one of the first songs Scott and I (Marc is speaking) wrote, inspired by a scene late in the movie that takes place on the black side of town. It never dawned on us that a torrent of protest would follow us from almost everyone involved with the show. Its too sad... Its too preachy.. It doesnt belong... Tracy should sing the eleven o'clock number. We simply didnt want our show to be yet another show-biz version of a civil rights story where the black characters are just the background. And what could be more Tracy Turnblad-like than to give the eleven o'clock number to the black family at the heart of the struggle? Luckily although the intelligentsia remained aloof, the audiences embraced this moment, which enriches the happy ending to follow and it is our proudest achievement of the entire experience of writing Hairspray"
Also, I interviewed Mary Bond Davis, the Broadway Cast original Motormouth (I actually run her website now) and she said for spouzic.com (a now closed website that I used to write on, but the interview is still there if you want to find it): "When we started rehearsing April 15th 2002, for the Broadway run and Seattle and everything, "Step On Up" was still in the show, and I never heard "I Know Where I’ve Been" until about 2 to 3 weeks into rehearsal... I called up Marc and I said, "Marc, I gotta hear this other song. I have to hear this other song because the song that’s in its place is not speaking to me, nor is it serving the show, and it’s just not working in the spot where it is." And also, I thought the song was just inadequate, compared to all the other songs in the show. So when I said that to Marc, Marc said, "I’ve been meaning to call you… You’ve been on my mind and I’ve been meaning to call you, I want you to hear this other song. As soon as you hear it, you’re going to want to sing it". And I said, "Well, I wanna hear it." He said, "You know, I’ve had the sh*t sung out of it." And I said, "Yeah, but you haven’t heard me sing it... maybe the song shouldn’t have the shit sung out of it. Maybe the song just needs to be sung, and the story told, and that’s it." So Marc and I got together and he played the song for me, and the first thing out of my mouth was, "It’s an anthem." He played the song, and then he went into "Hairspray", the song that follows in the show. And I said, "Sideswipe… it’s gonna sideswipe everybody…", to have that song come in at that spot and then bring the Hairspray curtain in to go into "Hairspray", people aren’t going to know what hit them... So yeah, there was a lot of controversy, the producers didn’t want some big black chick coming on and wailin’, and then leaving the stage. And it’s like, you know what, I don’t have to do it like that. And it doesn’t have to be done like that, and it doesn’t have to be a typical 11 o’clock song, it can be, let’s tell the story. Make the song a part of the story...but at the first performance in Seattle, they were waiting to see how the audience would respond to that song, and the producers were going to decide that night whether that song was going to stay in the show or not. And the rest is history; it’s still in the show, thank goodness. And it’s healing a lot of people, it heals me on a nightly basis. And to think, Scott and Marc said they wrote it sipping martinis in Laguna Beach beside a pool."
Whats funnier still about this song to me, is that after Mary Bond Davis left, they brought in Darlene Love who DID sing the hell out of it and go for high notes and riffs, that they actually restaged the song on Broadway to make it fit her performance better. Darlene just left the show and I will be seeing the new Motormouth for the first time tomorrow, I am sure they have kept the staging changes made for Darlene but I'm curious to see if Jennifer Lewis sings it more like Mary or more like Darlene. 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 07:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Its me, back with a screenname! :) I have a problem that confuses me a bit, Im not entirely sure how to fix it exactly. You have information here that is cited, but the information is still wrong, meaning something was lost in transcription, most of this applies to the Background information attributed to the Extras from the new movie. For example, Margo Lion does speak of watching Hairspray on the new movie's extras feature but she doesnt say it was on tv- she was home sick and rented some movies, Hairspray was one of them. She says she'd seen it before but this particular viewing convinced her it needed to be musicalized. Must I reference a new source to correct it? Most of this same info can be found in The Roots as well, but what I mean is, the correct story *is* in the video extras, it just wasn't properly written up. Much of the background is like this, with half correct information. John Waters insisted the mother remain played by a man, it wasn't Shaiman's idea to keep it, but he did suggest getting Harvey Fierstein for the role. Lion didn't outright agree to hire Marc and Scott, she was worried the two would make a bad team because theyre a couple and they wrote the three songs to prove they could work together- and all three of those songs are still in the show. Besprayed ( talk) 04:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Ah, OK! If the article simply misquotes the DVD release, you can just correct the transcription. The article should certainly reflect correct info in the source correctly. It would be helpful to say in what part of the DVD Extra the information appears (e.g., in the feature interviewing so-and-so), or in some way try to help someone zero in on where the info comes from, so everyone could easily verify it. Good luck - I'm off to work! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 12:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest dropping the Theatregoers awards and instead putting in the Laurence Olivier Awards, which are, I think, more notable. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't mind listing the designers names (especially set and costumes but also, I guess lighting) in the production sections. I also don't mind repeating names in the awards section; I would just list fewer awards. I don't see any reason to ever name the "sound" designer. How can the sound designer be more important than the music director? We don't list music directors, ergo, we should not list sound designers. Next we'll list the guy running the light board. (Ain't I gumpy?) -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Christina, we always list the author, lyricist and composer the way that the first sentence of the article is written. These are the people who do not change from production to production. Then, when we talk about each production, we name the director and choreographer, and if the designers are notable (that is, if they have Wiki articles), then I list them too. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
It makes sense to list Huntley in this instance, then. I'll put him in. If the interviews contain something particularly noteworthy, it would be appropriate to included a short quote or some other relevant info. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 05:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
If you are interested in starting an article for Paul Huntley, go for it. I doubt that anyone else will start it any time soon. There are not a lot of good articles on designers. For a reasonable example of how a designer page might look, see C. Wilhelm or Percy Anderson. The number of wigs in the show is newsworthy with respect to this production, but it is not notable in the encyclopedic sense. The basic guideline here is that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. See: WP:NOT. I think the most that one could say about the wigs is that the period wigs are very important to the look of the show. To decide whether something like this is notable or not, think about Cats, for example. What is still important about Cats? to an encyclopedia reader? Clearly the costumes were very important, as was the choreography, but they will change slightly from production to production. In 20 years, yes, the wigs will still be very important to the history and revivals of Hairpray, but the number of wigs worn by a character in the original production will be trivial. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 02:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, you could ask for a second opinion at the musicals talk page. Happy editing. :) -- Ssilvers ( talk) 05:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Notable cast members for each production should be mentioned in the productions section in the description of the relevant production. This has been the consensus at WP:MUSICALS for articles on musicals across the project. Best regards. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 14:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I have posted information about this production 3 times now and the article has been deleted per the argument that it is an amateur production. This show is in fact a National Cast and is being constructed in close conjunction with Musical Theatre International and is in fact the show that will be the first production of Hairspray to be produced by all non-equity actors. The cast is working closely with Marc Shaiman and Scott Whittman and the cast will be producing a Cast Recording CD of the show to be sold and distributed publicly. The production is also highly publicized (The Dish Network will be doing a 1 hour documentary on the cast and the production of the show on the Stage Channel in 10 different states this summer). I ask that this information please be left up because this is the first production that will move along the royalties release for Hairspray and is a major stepping stone for the shows history and performance journey. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BroadwayFuture46 ( talk • contribs) 05:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has rewritten the plot synopsis, without an edit summary, in a manner that does not appear to comply with Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure and uses unencyclopedic language. The plot synopsis for this show was carefully edited recently by editors familiar with this show. If you believe that you can improve the plot synopsis, please explain the reasons for your edits. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
According to her Twitter post, Lucy Durack says: "To dispell rumours-I am not playing Amber in Hairspray because I play Glinda in Wicked! However,I very much look forward 2 SEEING Hairspray! 6:31 PM Jun 9th via web". I am aware that this is not a WP:RS; I am also aware that various IPs have been adding her, as well as others, to various Hairspray productions. I firmly believe that all casting should be properly sourced per WP:VERIFY and WP:PROVEIT, and so have -- and will continue to do so -- either delete or ask for proper references for all casting. JeanColumbia ( talk) 11:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
In the final scene The job at ultra glow is given to Velma. Well, I could be wrong but the current script has it that way. Because the joke is ultra glow is for women with colour and is given to the rascist Velma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.207.80 ( talk) 11:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted today's edits by BroadwayExpert as they are unsourced. BroadwayExpert added a Broadway production in 2011, with Jonathon Groff. I did a google search on Groff or the Apollo venue but found nothing. I also checked Internet Broadway database with no 2011 production showing. This needs a WP:RS. Flami72 ( talk) 13:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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hi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.133.171.248 ( talk • contribs) 14:38, July 14, 2007.
The paragraph about a possible Toronto production violates the principle that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation" [1]. It also reads, as I mentioned in my edit summary, very much like a press agent (although perhaps a press agent would have more [insert your own word here] than to sound so --"fan"ish). Reference is obviously needed, I held my "delete" mentality in check, but I was sorely tempted. JeanColumbia 13:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The plot synopsis added on October 31, 2007, is a direct copy (with a few minor changes) from the web site: [ [3]].
They include this statement on their web site:"Fair Use Notice This web site may contain copyrighted material whose use has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This page is operated under the assumption that this not-for-profit use on the Web constitutes a "fair use" of the copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17, Chapter 1 , section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use this copyrighted material for purposes of your own that go beyond "fair use", you must obtain permission from the copyright owner."
From Wikipedia: "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted."
I conclude that using the plot synopsis from the allmusicals web site is a copyright violation and am therefore removing it and reinstating the previous plot synopsis. Should I be wrong and should there be permission, that should be noted here. JeanColumbia 08:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
An editor deleted the cast/character lists and instead replaced them with a reference to the list of characters in a separate article. I have reinstated the cast/character list in this article, because I think the article should be a stand-alone, self contained "whole" set of information. It is more encyclopedic this way. In my opinion, the cast/character list is a very important piece of the information about a musical. The reader should not have to look elsewhere for the basic information. The reader might want more, and thus the additional listing (to which I have now provided a link) is great. Thank you, JeanColumbia 09:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I just thought I would say that Hairspray (2007 film) is currently undergoing a peer review in hopes of further improving the article. Seeing as the film was based on this musical, I thought I would post here to let the regular editors of this article know that any contributions they could make would be more than welcome. Thanks! — Mears man ( talk) 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought the plot sounded "smooth"--well sure it did, it's copied from the offcial web site: [ [5]]. I think I changed it enough so that it's no longer a copyright violation, but if no one else gets to it today, I'll review it again within the next few days.
And for anone who wants to do some reading, here is the Wikipedia policy on copy vio: WP:COPY
JeanColumbia ( talk) 16:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Lovely plot write-up, Mark E. I made just a few minor edits (one thing I tried to adhere to is the Musical Theatre structure format about no stage directions in the plot). I have no pictures. JeanColumbia ( talk) 12:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The article is really coming along. If it had a critical reception section (and mabye some info about box-office), I think it would be B-class. Do any of the references describe the musical style? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by JeanColumbia ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
At WP:MUSICALS, a recent consensus was not to add voice parts to musicals. The voice part designations are unreliable and can change from production to production. Also the internet sources for voice part designations are not reliable. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I attempted to correct glaring errors in the character descriptions but my edits were reverted. Perhaps this was due to some format problem or uncredited sources (maybe it was just more info that wanted) but here I will cite text for you and you can do with it as you please. If it were up to me this would not be a B-class article with some of this misinformation. In the Broadway show Edna runs a laundry business out of her home, her first scene involves giving Prudy her laundry (pretty pricey for a few pairs of petty pants). Later she says she had a dream too once she "dreamt of making her own line of queen size clothing" this is said before Timeless to Me. Tracy also never says I want to be on the Corny Collins show, the line is "but mama, I wanna be famous!" before Mama Im a Big Girl Now. In addition to suggest that Link only loves Tracy for her inner beauty is to ignore the point of the show that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and to ignore his 2 lines "you look beautiful...(behind bars; when youre unconcious)." Amber has less than stellar abilities established by her mom (Amber your dancing was atrocious today), Tracy (I guess Ambers pretty but she cant dance) and Penny (plastic little spastic). While obnoxious certainly describes Velma, scheming is more to the point because 1)she says "Amber Im willing to lie cheat and steal to win you that crown" and she also "****ed the judges" to win her own crown back in her hayday and 2)her meddling is what causes Tracy to go into solitary confinement ("It pays to have a politician in your pocket" & "Mrs Von Tussle, manipulating our judicial system just to win a contest is unamerican"). Maybe Wilbur is a secondary character but he expressly says he dreamt of "opening a chain of joke shops world wide" and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be important that he's the one who tells her "tracy, this tv thing you really want it? (its my dream daddy) then you go for it!". The "Step On Up" song I attempted to add to the additional songs section is a highly discussed song and worth including, I can cite online sources if this is better than saying its in the coffee table book, I interviewed the original Motormouth for a website once and it was a topic of discussion. I also tried to add "Velma's Revenge" as a song but its not on the cast album so maybe that needs to be under "additional songs" but it is a song in the show "shes a blemish, a blackhead that must be expelled, theres a standard of beauty that must be upheld". Another mistake I've found is that you credit I Know Where I've Been to Motormouth and Nadine. There is no Nadine in the Broadway show, the dynamite track that backs up Motormouth on that song is named Pearl, Nadine is the name used in the MOVIE, this is not true for the show. I can find a source that explains that the dynamite tracks on Bway are Pearl, Peaches and Cindy Watkins if its necessary. 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 06:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC) christina
I'm glad you were able to incorporate the information that you did. Im still sort of new to Wikipedia and I feel like Im always doing something wrong. Here's some info on songs and other stuff. "Velma's Revenge" appeared in your synopsis, but not under the musical numbers heading... it is a musical number, in the show even now but its not on the cast recording. The controversy around "I Know Where I've Been" and the lyrics to the other song they wrote "Step On Up" appear on pages 142 and 143 of Hairspray, The Roots. The Roots is the closest source you can possibly have to the show, its by Mark O'Donnell (Author), Thomas Meehan (Author), Marc Shaiman (Author), Scott Wittman (Author) -practically the entire creative team. Its a Faber & Faber; First Edition edition (April 30, 2003). You can check it out on Amazon, they let you see inside a page or two. On page 62 of the same book they describe a song called "It Doesn't Get Better Than This" which was written for Wilbur before they tried "Positivity" but both were ultimately cut. You refer to Velma's Cha Cha, the book on page 109 has the lyrics to a "Mother-Daughter Cha Cha" that was sung on Mother-Daughter Day at the end of act 1. In the place where you describe Velma's Cha Cha, there is a cut song, but the song there seemed to be titled "No One On This TV Show" (lyrics on pg 59) and fits the description you supply for Velma's Cha Cha, she sings making fun of Tracy but it was cut because they didnt want the audience listening to someone being so mean to the hero- I think perhaps the two songs were confused in the write up here or maybe its an entirely different song that was also tried. And early on when the show still involved a miss auto show crown instead of miss hairspray, in the place where "It's Hairspray" is sung now there was a song called "Take a Spin" sung by Corny, this is on page 149 where it basically says that they dropped the auto show idea because cars on stage are expensive. If you visit the official site for Hairspray In London, you see theyve actually noted the names of the dynamite tracks (Cindy, Peaches and Pearl) in their cast list. http://www.hairspraythemusical.co.uk/cast.html Reading it again, the "stern but kind" description of Edna sounds off. Edna in the musical hasn't been out of her house since "Mamie Eisenhower rolled her hose and bobbed her bangs" until Tracy gets her out for Welcome To The Sixties but even after her transformation she isnt confident because Big Blonde and Beautiful is also sung to Edna to get her to see herself as beautiful when she refuses to appear on TV at her current weight, and again with Timeless To Me, Wilbur is trying to cheer her up when she feels like her window of opportunity to fulfill her own dreams has passed. Shes shy, insecure about her weight and not making the most of her life. She tells Tracy not to audition because she fears Tracy will be made fun of not because shes stern. Of course she's angry with Tracy for getting detention but thats not a staying theme like her poor self image is. Thats all for now, Im going to take a look at the Wicked listing (which I hear is fabulous) and try to figure out some equivalent information for Hairspray. I promise to give you some time off before I come being a bother again. :) 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 05:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Velma sings "Velma's Revenge" on her own, shes really the only person on stage for that scene, on Broadway two boys are on stage facing the wall while she sings simply to be there to pull the set piece back when the scene ends. The Madison and The Nicest Kids Reprise dont appear on the soundtrack either, since I notice you included a symbol to indicate that, you may want to add that to those songs as well.
Also noteworthy about the cast album is that it was recorded before they came to New York so there are lyrics on the cast album that are different in the show now.
There are errors in the background but I would need to look things up if you need a reference, Im used to being my own reference. Ive seen it over a hundred times, Ive worked for several cast members, Ive even seen it on tour in Los Angeles and the casino version in Atlantic City and these days Im running a Hairspray message board with the help of people at Margo Lion's office (you saw my fun facts topic on the musical theatre talk page).
I'll come back to other changes next time I check in because I've got a wealth of proof for I Know Where I've Been's controversial status as follows... (it might be overkill but here it is) According to The Roots page 142, on I Know Where Ive Been: "This was one of the first songs Scott and I (Marc is speaking) wrote, inspired by a scene late in the movie that takes place on the black side of town. It never dawned on us that a torrent of protest would follow us from almost everyone involved with the show. Its too sad... Its too preachy.. It doesnt belong... Tracy should sing the eleven o'clock number. We simply didnt want our show to be yet another show-biz version of a civil rights story where the black characters are just the background. And what could be more Tracy Turnblad-like than to give the eleven o'clock number to the black family at the heart of the struggle? Luckily although the intelligentsia remained aloof, the audiences embraced this moment, which enriches the happy ending to follow and it is our proudest achievement of the entire experience of writing Hairspray"
Also, I interviewed Mary Bond Davis, the Broadway Cast original Motormouth (I actually run her website now) and she said for spouzic.com (a now closed website that I used to write on, but the interview is still there if you want to find it): "When we started rehearsing April 15th 2002, for the Broadway run and Seattle and everything, "Step On Up" was still in the show, and I never heard "I Know Where I’ve Been" until about 2 to 3 weeks into rehearsal... I called up Marc and I said, "Marc, I gotta hear this other song. I have to hear this other song because the song that’s in its place is not speaking to me, nor is it serving the show, and it’s just not working in the spot where it is." And also, I thought the song was just inadequate, compared to all the other songs in the show. So when I said that to Marc, Marc said, "I’ve been meaning to call you… You’ve been on my mind and I’ve been meaning to call you, I want you to hear this other song. As soon as you hear it, you’re going to want to sing it". And I said, "Well, I wanna hear it." He said, "You know, I’ve had the sh*t sung out of it." And I said, "Yeah, but you haven’t heard me sing it... maybe the song shouldn’t have the shit sung out of it. Maybe the song just needs to be sung, and the story told, and that’s it." So Marc and I got together and he played the song for me, and the first thing out of my mouth was, "It’s an anthem." He played the song, and then he went into "Hairspray", the song that follows in the show. And I said, "Sideswipe… it’s gonna sideswipe everybody…", to have that song come in at that spot and then bring the Hairspray curtain in to go into "Hairspray", people aren’t going to know what hit them... So yeah, there was a lot of controversy, the producers didn’t want some big black chick coming on and wailin’, and then leaving the stage. And it’s like, you know what, I don’t have to do it like that. And it doesn’t have to be done like that, and it doesn’t have to be a typical 11 o’clock song, it can be, let’s tell the story. Make the song a part of the story...but at the first performance in Seattle, they were waiting to see how the audience would respond to that song, and the producers were going to decide that night whether that song was going to stay in the show or not. And the rest is history; it’s still in the show, thank goodness. And it’s healing a lot of people, it heals me on a nightly basis. And to think, Scott and Marc said they wrote it sipping martinis in Laguna Beach beside a pool."
Whats funnier still about this song to me, is that after Mary Bond Davis left, they brought in Darlene Love who DID sing the hell out of it and go for high notes and riffs, that they actually restaged the song on Broadway to make it fit her performance better. Darlene just left the show and I will be seeing the new Motormouth for the first time tomorrow, I am sure they have kept the staging changes made for Darlene but I'm curious to see if Jennifer Lewis sings it more like Mary or more like Darlene. 24.193.154.242 ( talk) 07:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Its me, back with a screenname! :) I have a problem that confuses me a bit, Im not entirely sure how to fix it exactly. You have information here that is cited, but the information is still wrong, meaning something was lost in transcription, most of this applies to the Background information attributed to the Extras from the new movie. For example, Margo Lion does speak of watching Hairspray on the new movie's extras feature but she doesnt say it was on tv- she was home sick and rented some movies, Hairspray was one of them. She says she'd seen it before but this particular viewing convinced her it needed to be musicalized. Must I reference a new source to correct it? Most of this same info can be found in The Roots as well, but what I mean is, the correct story *is* in the video extras, it just wasn't properly written up. Much of the background is like this, with half correct information. John Waters insisted the mother remain played by a man, it wasn't Shaiman's idea to keep it, but he did suggest getting Harvey Fierstein for the role. Lion didn't outright agree to hire Marc and Scott, she was worried the two would make a bad team because theyre a couple and they wrote the three songs to prove they could work together- and all three of those songs are still in the show. Besprayed ( talk) 04:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC) christina
Ah, OK! If the article simply misquotes the DVD release, you can just correct the transcription. The article should certainly reflect correct info in the source correctly. It would be helpful to say in what part of the DVD Extra the information appears (e.g., in the feature interviewing so-and-so), or in some way try to help someone zero in on where the info comes from, so everyone could easily verify it. Good luck - I'm off to work! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 12:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest dropping the Theatregoers awards and instead putting in the Laurence Olivier Awards, which are, I think, more notable. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't mind listing the designers names (especially set and costumes but also, I guess lighting) in the production sections. I also don't mind repeating names in the awards section; I would just list fewer awards. I don't see any reason to ever name the "sound" designer. How can the sound designer be more important than the music director? We don't list music directors, ergo, we should not list sound designers. Next we'll list the guy running the light board. (Ain't I gumpy?) -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Christina, we always list the author, lyricist and composer the way that the first sentence of the article is written. These are the people who do not change from production to production. Then, when we talk about each production, we name the director and choreographer, and if the designers are notable (that is, if they have Wiki articles), then I list them too. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
It makes sense to list Huntley in this instance, then. I'll put him in. If the interviews contain something particularly noteworthy, it would be appropriate to included a short quote or some other relevant info. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 05:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
If you are interested in starting an article for Paul Huntley, go for it. I doubt that anyone else will start it any time soon. There are not a lot of good articles on designers. For a reasonable example of how a designer page might look, see C. Wilhelm or Percy Anderson. The number of wigs in the show is newsworthy with respect to this production, but it is not notable in the encyclopedic sense. The basic guideline here is that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. See: WP:NOT. I think the most that one could say about the wigs is that the period wigs are very important to the look of the show. To decide whether something like this is notable or not, think about Cats, for example. What is still important about Cats? to an encyclopedia reader? Clearly the costumes were very important, as was the choreography, but they will change slightly from production to production. In 20 years, yes, the wigs will still be very important to the history and revivals of Hairpray, but the number of wigs worn by a character in the original production will be trivial. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 02:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, you could ask for a second opinion at the musicals talk page. Happy editing. :) -- Ssilvers ( talk) 05:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Notable cast members for each production should be mentioned in the productions section in the description of the relevant production. This has been the consensus at WP:MUSICALS for articles on musicals across the project. Best regards. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 14:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I have posted information about this production 3 times now and the article has been deleted per the argument that it is an amateur production. This show is in fact a National Cast and is being constructed in close conjunction with Musical Theatre International and is in fact the show that will be the first production of Hairspray to be produced by all non-equity actors. The cast is working closely with Marc Shaiman and Scott Whittman and the cast will be producing a Cast Recording CD of the show to be sold and distributed publicly. The production is also highly publicized (The Dish Network will be doing a 1 hour documentary on the cast and the production of the show on the Stage Channel in 10 different states this summer). I ask that this information please be left up because this is the first production that will move along the royalties release for Hairspray and is a major stepping stone for the shows history and performance journey. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BroadwayFuture46 ( talk • contribs) 05:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has rewritten the plot synopsis, without an edit summary, in a manner that does not appear to comply with Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure and uses unencyclopedic language. The plot synopsis for this show was carefully edited recently by editors familiar with this show. If you believe that you can improve the plot synopsis, please explain the reasons for your edits. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
According to her Twitter post, Lucy Durack says: "To dispell rumours-I am not playing Amber in Hairspray because I play Glinda in Wicked! However,I very much look forward 2 SEEING Hairspray! 6:31 PM Jun 9th via web". I am aware that this is not a WP:RS; I am also aware that various IPs have been adding her, as well as others, to various Hairspray productions. I firmly believe that all casting should be properly sourced per WP:VERIFY and WP:PROVEIT, and so have -- and will continue to do so -- either delete or ask for proper references for all casting. JeanColumbia ( talk) 11:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
In the final scene The job at ultra glow is given to Velma. Well, I could be wrong but the current script has it that way. Because the joke is ultra glow is for women with colour and is given to the rascist Velma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.207.80 ( talk) 11:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted today's edits by BroadwayExpert as they are unsourced. BroadwayExpert added a Broadway production in 2011, with Jonathon Groff. I did a google search on Groff or the Apollo venue but found nothing. I also checked Internet Broadway database with no 2011 production showing. This needs a WP:RS. Flami72 ( talk) 13:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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