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I strongly feel we should delete doctor who stuff. It is totally irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fangfufu ( talk • contribs)
Well,I watched it. It is pretty much nonsense. It is not scientific at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fangfufu ( talk • contribs)
The popular culture section would make more sense if there were more popular culture references included, or if the Doctor Who reference were linked to an article about the specific Doctor Who episode. Given the historical significance of the topic, it seems silly to end it with a detailed Doctor Who reference. Anirvan 22:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just because it's mentioned in an episode of a science fiction television show doesn't mean that it should be included in a discussion about something in an article about history and science fact. The Doctor Who section is an unnecessary distraction and should be included in the pertinent article discussing that Doctor Who episode. 147.70.242.39 00:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
How weird that three of them died in car accidents. Statistically, that is quite strange. Perhaps haemophilia impairs one's ability to drive... 70.20.211.100 ( talk) 14:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at this thread at the Royals Portal, which mentions one of Queen Victoria's descendants, Ferdinand Soltmann, being a haemophiliac. The people that post at this board are trusted historians (Artuno Beeche, Marlene Eilers Koenig, etc) and are in contact with several royal families, including the Langenburgs. Should this be included as a modern-day descendant of QV affected by the disease? Morhange ( talk) 03:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd point out that Alice, daughter of Leopold, should be highlighted in red. I would do it for you but I have no idea how to do that. Sorry. Lucy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.176.83 ( talk) 01:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
The bulleted paragraph about Alexei states that the sister who carried the mutation causing hemophilia was "thought to be Maria by American researchers and Anastasia by Russian researchers...[1]" This is incorrect. Page 18 of the Supporting Online Documents for the footnoted 2009 paper in Science by Rogaev et al identifies the Grand Duchess in question as skeleton #6; this skeleton was believed to be Tatiana by the Americans and Anastasia by the Russians.
The probable reason the previous Wikipedia editor(s) incorrectly named Grand Duchess Maria is that the Americans and Russians disagreed about the identification of two sets of the skeletal remains found in 1991: Not only did the two teams disagree about skeleton #6, they also disagreed about skeleton #5, which the Russians believed to be Tatiana, while the Americans believed her to be Maria.
I recommend changing "Maria" to "Tatiana" in the third sentence of the paragraph, and also deleting the final sentence completely, since Maria’s tonsillectomy is irrelevant. BlueSockMonkey ( talk) 18:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Tsarevich Alexei definitely did not die of haemophilia, and Prince Maurice of Battenberg died in combat, so I am removing them from the list of people who died from haemophilia. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 05:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
The description currently states, "Despite frequent inter-marriage among royalty, no case of such double inheritance is known among Queen Victoria's descendants. However, it is possible that such cases have gone undocumented . . . ." Is this really possible? For this to occur, it takes a very special intermarriage, involving a haemophiliac male and a female, each with an exclusively female-line descent from Victoria or from a Victorian haemophiliac male. None of the intermarriages of which I am aware involved this specific combination. Is there any source that mentions this possibility specifically with regard to Victoria's descendants, or is it simply based on generalities regarding haemophilia? Agricolae ( talk) 18:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
We have a big problem with the Today section. It is revealing the medical condition of a living individual, and currently the only reference given is a dead link. This needs to be shored up or deleted, because it is clearly in violation of WP:BLP as it stands. Agricolae ( talk) 01:03, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
What are the snps of the mutation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.233.232 ( talk) 10:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Victoria had 9 children, not 7 as the introduction states. Princess Alice was NOT the only carrier, Princess Beatrice was also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.42.125 ( talk) 13:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Introduction and first section are also contradictory to genetic research. This disease is a defect in the **X** chromosome, not the Y. If paternal age were a factor, then if the father's X mutated, it would be offset by a normal X from the other (unless both were carriers? One was a carrier and the other a spontaneous mutant? The chances of that are **exceptionally small.**
Or is someone trying to say that the father's age affects the mother's eggs somehow? There's no science cited for that and it runs counter to accepted human biology. LeVeillé ( talk) 04:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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Louis_XIV of France was married to Maria_Theresa_of_Spain. "Her marriage in 1660 to King Louis XIV, her double first cousin, ..., she saw five of her six children die in early childhood ..."
This strikes me as another case, although I've not seen any reference to the possibility anywhere. Also, apparently 6 out of 8 of Maria's siblings died young, some within days of birth. Royal inbreeding, seems to me. OsamaBinLogin ( talk) 00:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
This is how? Can a de novo mutation be inherited from a parent? -- 95.24.82.68 ( talk) 20:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
What is the chance of de novo mutation in Victoria, compared to the chance that in a quest to give birth to the eldest nephew/nice of the king and receive a huge pension, her mother slept with an outside man? -- 95.24.82.68 ( talk) 20:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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I strongly feel we should delete doctor who stuff. It is totally irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fangfufu ( talk • contribs)
Well,I watched it. It is pretty much nonsense. It is not scientific at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fangfufu ( talk • contribs)
The popular culture section would make more sense if there were more popular culture references included, or if the Doctor Who reference were linked to an article about the specific Doctor Who episode. Given the historical significance of the topic, it seems silly to end it with a detailed Doctor Who reference. Anirvan 22:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just because it's mentioned in an episode of a science fiction television show doesn't mean that it should be included in a discussion about something in an article about history and science fact. The Doctor Who section is an unnecessary distraction and should be included in the pertinent article discussing that Doctor Who episode. 147.70.242.39 00:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
How weird that three of them died in car accidents. Statistically, that is quite strange. Perhaps haemophilia impairs one's ability to drive... 70.20.211.100 ( talk) 14:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at this thread at the Royals Portal, which mentions one of Queen Victoria's descendants, Ferdinand Soltmann, being a haemophiliac. The people that post at this board are trusted historians (Artuno Beeche, Marlene Eilers Koenig, etc) and are in contact with several royal families, including the Langenburgs. Should this be included as a modern-day descendant of QV affected by the disease? Morhange ( talk) 03:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd point out that Alice, daughter of Leopold, should be highlighted in red. I would do it for you but I have no idea how to do that. Sorry. Lucy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.176.83 ( talk) 01:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
The bulleted paragraph about Alexei states that the sister who carried the mutation causing hemophilia was "thought to be Maria by American researchers and Anastasia by Russian researchers...[1]" This is incorrect. Page 18 of the Supporting Online Documents for the footnoted 2009 paper in Science by Rogaev et al identifies the Grand Duchess in question as skeleton #6; this skeleton was believed to be Tatiana by the Americans and Anastasia by the Russians.
The probable reason the previous Wikipedia editor(s) incorrectly named Grand Duchess Maria is that the Americans and Russians disagreed about the identification of two sets of the skeletal remains found in 1991: Not only did the two teams disagree about skeleton #6, they also disagreed about skeleton #5, which the Russians believed to be Tatiana, while the Americans believed her to be Maria.
I recommend changing "Maria" to "Tatiana" in the third sentence of the paragraph, and also deleting the final sentence completely, since Maria’s tonsillectomy is irrelevant. BlueSockMonkey ( talk) 18:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Tsarevich Alexei definitely did not die of haemophilia, and Prince Maurice of Battenberg died in combat, so I am removing them from the list of people who died from haemophilia. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 05:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
The description currently states, "Despite frequent inter-marriage among royalty, no case of such double inheritance is known among Queen Victoria's descendants. However, it is possible that such cases have gone undocumented . . . ." Is this really possible? For this to occur, it takes a very special intermarriage, involving a haemophiliac male and a female, each with an exclusively female-line descent from Victoria or from a Victorian haemophiliac male. None of the intermarriages of which I am aware involved this specific combination. Is there any source that mentions this possibility specifically with regard to Victoria's descendants, or is it simply based on generalities regarding haemophilia? Agricolae ( talk) 18:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
We have a big problem with the Today section. It is revealing the medical condition of a living individual, and currently the only reference given is a dead link. This needs to be shored up or deleted, because it is clearly in violation of WP:BLP as it stands. Agricolae ( talk) 01:03, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
What are the snps of the mutation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.233.232 ( talk) 10:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Victoria had 9 children, not 7 as the introduction states. Princess Alice was NOT the only carrier, Princess Beatrice was also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.42.125 ( talk) 13:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Introduction and first section are also contradictory to genetic research. This disease is a defect in the **X** chromosome, not the Y. If paternal age were a factor, then if the father's X mutated, it would be offset by a normal X from the other (unless both were carriers? One was a carrier and the other a spontaneous mutant? The chances of that are **exceptionally small.**
Or is someone trying to say that the father's age affects the mother's eggs somehow? There's no science cited for that and it runs counter to accepted human biology. LeVeillé ( talk) 04:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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Louis_XIV of France was married to Maria_Theresa_of_Spain. "Her marriage in 1660 to King Louis XIV, her double first cousin, ..., she saw five of her six children die in early childhood ..."
This strikes me as another case, although I've not seen any reference to the possibility anywhere. Also, apparently 6 out of 8 of Maria's siblings died young, some within days of birth. Royal inbreeding, seems to me. OsamaBinLogin ( talk) 00:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
This is how? Can a de novo mutation be inherited from a parent? -- 95.24.82.68 ( talk) 20:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
What is the chance of de novo mutation in Victoria, compared to the chance that in a quest to give birth to the eldest nephew/nice of the king and receive a huge pension, her mother slept with an outside man? -- 95.24.82.68 ( talk) 20:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)