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This is very thinly documented. The only source listed is a single postwar German newspaper article, and that only sources part of what the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum posted here.
As far as I know the proposition that euthanasia continued secretly after Hitler publicly ordered it stopped in 1941 is just a matter of speculation.
I would also love to see some solid documentation that gassing was used in euthanasia. This rumor is widespread but as far as I know only lethal injection was used, and that is a more efficient method, and much more in line with what one would expect from physicians. Hadding ( talk) 20:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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This is not correct: In the Hadamar school, students would often taunt each other by saying "You'll end up in the Hadamar ovens!"
The Hadamar Clinic works until today. So the people of Region saying "you will end in Hadamar".
... not a good idea. I have reverted the removals done by Hadding. Discussion about sourcing may now take place here on the Talk page. (Note: I don't log onto WP every day.)-- Goodmorningworld ( talk) 16:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added some new photos from the German Wikipedia article. 81.132.121.98 ( talk) 10:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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The name of this gruesome institution is currently translated as "Hadamar Euthanasia Centre". However, the German name "Tötungsanstalt Hadamar" means "Hadamar Killing Centre" ("Tötung" means "killing", whereas "euthanasia" would be translated as "Gnadentod" or similar). Are there any other sources that support the use of "Euthanasia" or should the page be renamed? Postman Phat ( talk) 07:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Hadamar Euthanasia Centre → Hadamar Killing Centre – Incorrect translation of the German name NS-Tötungsanstalt Hadamar. Tötung means killing, not euthanasia (see wikt:Tötung). Uncontested on the article’s talk page. Postman Phat ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion has arisen at Talk:Hartheim Euthanasia Centre#Nazi "euthanasia" centers seeking a consensus to rename each "euthanasia centre" to "killing facility", "killing centre", or something closer to the more common "Tötungsanstalt" in German. Stiftung Brandenburgische Gedenkstätten uses "killing facility" on their English page here; other memorial sites prefer " killing centre". "Euthanasia" was a WP:EUPHEMISM specifically employed by the Nazis to justify and trivialize their mass-murder; it should not be adopted uncritically.
The goal of this post is to invite discussion on the Hartheim page; I hope to reach a consensus that would apply across all of the T4 site pages and for Category:Aktion T4 euthanasia centres.- Ich ( talk) 15:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
It is remarkable that a prior requested move was denied but that the move was now, without serious prior discussion, was moved anyway, based on a minimal discussion on a completely other article. To get things clear (and wider discussed) I have started a formal requested move: Talk:Hartheim Killing Facility#Requested move 5 December 2022. The Banner talk 17:23, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
don't see value in consistency for the sake of consistency? WP:CRITERIA is policy, and consistency is one of its five items. Consistency on its own doesn't trump the other four criteria, but declaring that you don't "see value" in it is entirely beside the point. The Wikipedia community does. Generalrelative ( talk) 06:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
People often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title, then it should be moved. In many cases, this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy."
I moved the article [1] to " Hadamar killing centre" per consensus in the above discussion as well as the RM for a related article: Talk:Hartheim Killing Facility#Requested move 5 December 2022. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
The name for the site "House of Shutters" was added in this diff (July 2019). I haven't seen the documentary that is cited, but I can't find any other good reliable sources using the term. Googling finds a few examples that I think are citogenesis. I haven't seen the term used elsewhere in my reading. There is nothing similar on the German wiki, and I can't find the exact German translation this was based on, but googling for "hadamar jalousien", "hadamar rolläden" etc. only finds me listings for window and shutter companies. Even assuming the documentary does use this name, I'm still not sure it's notable enough for inclusion in the lead, given its absence in other sources I've reviewed.- Ich ( talk) 12:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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This is very thinly documented. The only source listed is a single postwar German newspaper article, and that only sources part of what the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum posted here.
As far as I know the proposition that euthanasia continued secretly after Hitler publicly ordered it stopped in 1941 is just a matter of speculation.
I would also love to see some solid documentation that gassing was used in euthanasia. This rumor is widespread but as far as I know only lethal injection was used, and that is a more efficient method, and much more in line with what one would expect from physicians. Hadding ( talk) 20:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
needs more
This is not correct: In the Hadamar school, students would often taunt each other by saying "You'll end up in the Hadamar ovens!"
The Hadamar Clinic works until today. So the people of Region saying "you will end in Hadamar".
... not a good idea. I have reverted the removals done by Hadding. Discussion about sourcing may now take place here on the Talk page. (Note: I don't log onto WP every day.)-- Goodmorningworld ( talk) 16:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added some new photos from the German Wikipedia article. 81.132.121.98 ( talk) 10:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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The name of this gruesome institution is currently translated as "Hadamar Euthanasia Centre". However, the German name "Tötungsanstalt Hadamar" means "Hadamar Killing Centre" ("Tötung" means "killing", whereas "euthanasia" would be translated as "Gnadentod" or similar). Are there any other sources that support the use of "Euthanasia" or should the page be renamed? Postman Phat ( talk) 07:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Hadamar Euthanasia Centre → Hadamar Killing Centre – Incorrect translation of the German name NS-Tötungsanstalt Hadamar. Tötung means killing, not euthanasia (see wikt:Tötung). Uncontested on the article’s talk page. Postman Phat ( talk) 20:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion has arisen at Talk:Hartheim Euthanasia Centre#Nazi "euthanasia" centers seeking a consensus to rename each "euthanasia centre" to "killing facility", "killing centre", or something closer to the more common "Tötungsanstalt" in German. Stiftung Brandenburgische Gedenkstätten uses "killing facility" on their English page here; other memorial sites prefer " killing centre". "Euthanasia" was a WP:EUPHEMISM specifically employed by the Nazis to justify and trivialize their mass-murder; it should not be adopted uncritically.
The goal of this post is to invite discussion on the Hartheim page; I hope to reach a consensus that would apply across all of the T4 site pages and for Category:Aktion T4 euthanasia centres.- Ich ( talk) 15:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
It is remarkable that a prior requested move was denied but that the move was now, without serious prior discussion, was moved anyway, based on a minimal discussion on a completely other article. To get things clear (and wider discussed) I have started a formal requested move: Talk:Hartheim Killing Facility#Requested move 5 December 2022. The Banner talk 17:23, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
don't see value in consistency for the sake of consistency? WP:CRITERIA is policy, and consistency is one of its five items. Consistency on its own doesn't trump the other four criteria, but declaring that you don't "see value" in it is entirely beside the point. The Wikipedia community does. Generalrelative ( talk) 06:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
People often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title, then it should be moved. In many cases, this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy."
I moved the article [1] to " Hadamar killing centre" per consensus in the above discussion as well as the RM for a related article: Talk:Hartheim Killing Facility#Requested move 5 December 2022. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
The name for the site "House of Shutters" was added in this diff (July 2019). I haven't seen the documentary that is cited, but I can't find any other good reliable sources using the term. Googling finds a few examples that I think are citogenesis. I haven't seen the term used elsewhere in my reading. There is nothing similar on the German wiki, and I can't find the exact German translation this was based on, but googling for "hadamar jalousien", "hadamar rolläden" etc. only finds me listings for window and shutter companies. Even assuming the documentary does use this name, I'm still not sure it's notable enough for inclusion in the lead, given its absence in other sources I've reviewed.- Ich ( talk) 12:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)