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Added info on the apparent fate of Speedy following capture by the French Duncan ( talk) 21:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Reviewer: ✽ Familiae Watt§ (TALK) 11:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Reviewing the article against the " quick-fail criteria".
Article meets standards set out in the " quick-fail criteria". Full review to follow. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 21:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Below are listed some standout issues that need to be discussed. I will add provressively as I review the article.
The lead should be introductory and not overly detailed, but not vague either. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The infobox needs reworking. Currently, it give the impression that Speedy spent her entire career with the Royal Navy, which is not the case. One question that does need answering is what is the correct flag for the Papal Navy? Is it that of the Vatican, or a different one? Mjroots ( talk) 05:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The sections Cochrane, Speedy and Gamo and Later actions and capture neatly summarize the plot of the book Master and Commander in the Aubrey–Maturin series of novels by Patrick O'Brian, with Jack Aubrey as Cochrane and Sophie as Speedy. Mentioning the fictional counterpart is definitely worth mentioning somewhere, and in my opinion Speedy is more famous in fiction than in real life so it would be nice to mention this somewhere in the article, perhaps a Speedy in Fiction section? Kirk ( talk) 13:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
According to Spanish accounts about the event, the convoy was composed by 8 small merchant craft, 3 lightly armed feluccas and a 160-ton, 16-gun privateer xebec. Moreover, it seems that Speedy and Kangaroo failed to achieve their goal, since the Spanish commander, Fernando Dominicis, ordered all his vessels to be driven ashore, where 2 cannons of Oropesa's tower gave them additional cover, contributing to reject the attack. Except two vessels which were taken by the British and later set fire and abandoned (being one of them salvaged by 4 Spanish schooners), the convoy continued its passage unmolested and having lost only 1 sailor killed and another 2 wounded. The account given in the article is very different... ElBufon ( talk) 07:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Where should the word link? The city of Koper (historically called Caprea)? -- Eleassar my talk 00:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
A search of The Times digital archives reveals a few more snippets of info on Speedy, including movements and dates. Is this worth adding in?
My change of Peterel to Peterell has been undone. The spelling of the ship's name at the time was Peterell (London Gazette). We should not rewrite history by changing names to suit the modern parlance. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
This is not as clear a situation as saying we have an eighteenth-century spelling that has been changed to suit contemporary spelling. Colledge uses Peterell for this craft, and Peterel for all others, Winfield uses Peterel. This is a similar situation to HMS Hinchinbrook (1778). When I wrote that article I did some careful research into the spelling, as variations existed, not just in contemporary accounts but also modern scholarship. Hinchinbroke, Hinchinbrooke, Hinchingbroke, Hinchingbrook and Hinchingbrooke all appear, though Hinchinbrook predominates slightly, hence the current title. Spellings were flexible at the time, as long as we are consistent in the text, we can deal with it if necessary with a note, a la Hinchinbrook. Benea ( talk) 14:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
So Lord Cochrane was appointed in March 1800, and in May 1800 he was involved in actions near Italy. But the article about George Caley, the botanist, claims he arrived at Sydney on this ship in April 1800. Now speedy as it may be, this ship cannot sail from Europe to Australia and back in two months. So something is wrong here. Eregli bob ( talk) 05:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Great job making this a featured article! I'm a big P O'B fan so I got really excited when I saw the ship that inspired the Sophie on the main page - just wanted to let y'all know I appreciated your work. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 18:56, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of HMS Speedy (1782)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "WR":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Seven pieces of four-pounder shot in his pockets
Cochrane has the largest and the strongest pockets in the world, to carry fourteen kilos of metal in his trousers... Is this really serious or is this an old marine joke ? Or maybe i didn't understand the term "pockets"...-- Sammyday ( talk) 19:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect French ship Saint Pierre and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 7#French ship Saint Pierre until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 13:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Added info on the apparent fate of Speedy following capture by the French Duncan ( talk) 21:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Reviewer: ✽ Familiae Watt§ (TALK) 11:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Reviewing the article against the " quick-fail criteria".
Article meets standards set out in the " quick-fail criteria". Full review to follow. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 21:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Below are listed some standout issues that need to be discussed. I will add provressively as I review the article.
The lead should be introductory and not overly detailed, but not vague either. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 07:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The infobox needs reworking. Currently, it give the impression that Speedy spent her entire career with the Royal Navy, which is not the case. One question that does need answering is what is the correct flag for the Papal Navy? Is it that of the Vatican, or a different one? Mjroots ( talk) 05:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The sections Cochrane, Speedy and Gamo and Later actions and capture neatly summarize the plot of the book Master and Commander in the Aubrey–Maturin series of novels by Patrick O'Brian, with Jack Aubrey as Cochrane and Sophie as Speedy. Mentioning the fictional counterpart is definitely worth mentioning somewhere, and in my opinion Speedy is more famous in fiction than in real life so it would be nice to mention this somewhere in the article, perhaps a Speedy in Fiction section? Kirk ( talk) 13:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
According to Spanish accounts about the event, the convoy was composed by 8 small merchant craft, 3 lightly armed feluccas and a 160-ton, 16-gun privateer xebec. Moreover, it seems that Speedy and Kangaroo failed to achieve their goal, since the Spanish commander, Fernando Dominicis, ordered all his vessels to be driven ashore, where 2 cannons of Oropesa's tower gave them additional cover, contributing to reject the attack. Except two vessels which were taken by the British and later set fire and abandoned (being one of them salvaged by 4 Spanish schooners), the convoy continued its passage unmolested and having lost only 1 sailor killed and another 2 wounded. The account given in the article is very different... ElBufon ( talk) 07:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Where should the word link? The city of Koper (historically called Caprea)? -- Eleassar my talk 00:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
A search of The Times digital archives reveals a few more snippets of info on Speedy, including movements and dates. Is this worth adding in?
My change of Peterel to Peterell has been undone. The spelling of the ship's name at the time was Peterell (London Gazette). We should not rewrite history by changing names to suit the modern parlance. Mjroots ( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
This is not as clear a situation as saying we have an eighteenth-century spelling that has been changed to suit contemporary spelling. Colledge uses Peterell for this craft, and Peterel for all others, Winfield uses Peterel. This is a similar situation to HMS Hinchinbrook (1778). When I wrote that article I did some careful research into the spelling, as variations existed, not just in contemporary accounts but also modern scholarship. Hinchinbroke, Hinchinbrooke, Hinchingbroke, Hinchingbrook and Hinchingbrooke all appear, though Hinchinbrook predominates slightly, hence the current title. Spellings were flexible at the time, as long as we are consistent in the text, we can deal with it if necessary with a note, a la Hinchinbrook. Benea ( talk) 14:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
So Lord Cochrane was appointed in March 1800, and in May 1800 he was involved in actions near Italy. But the article about George Caley, the botanist, claims he arrived at Sydney on this ship in April 1800. Now speedy as it may be, this ship cannot sail from Europe to Australia and back in two months. So something is wrong here. Eregli bob ( talk) 05:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Great job making this a featured article! I'm a big P O'B fan so I got really excited when I saw the ship that inspired the Sophie on the main page - just wanted to let y'all know I appreciated your work. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 18:56, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of HMS Speedy (1782)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "WR":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Seven pieces of four-pounder shot in his pockets
Cochrane has the largest and the strongest pockets in the world, to carry fourteen kilos of metal in his trousers... Is this really serious or is this an old marine joke ? Or maybe i didn't understand the term "pockets"...-- Sammyday ( talk) 19:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect French ship Saint Pierre and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 7#French ship Saint Pierre until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 13:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)