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Where there is a dispute on the facts of the case (some sources cite the death-count at 192 instead of 189; the dimensions of the ship are cited differently in the contemporary newspapers) I have treated the book Shipwreck: Tales of Survival, Courage & Calamity at Sea as authoritative.
For strictly grammatical reasons, when referring to ships of the Royal Navy, the article 'the' is not used before 'H.M.S.' The reason is to avoid grammatical error if the abbreviation is spelled out: One should not write 'the Her Majesty's Ship Orpheus,' hence 'H.M.S.' is also used without 'the.' If the ship's name is used alone without 'H.M.S.' then 'the' may be used ('the Orpheus'). In contrast, ships of other fleets may or may not use the article 'the' depending upon the title. Ships of the U.S. Navy, for example, typically use 'the' in either form (i.e. 'the' USS Consitution, also 'the' Constitution.)
The reference that Orpheus Island was named after the corvette in memory of the loss of life comes from a travel article : travel article. I'll try and find a more suitable source. - Ctbolt 01:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thomas Wing being the son of captain Thomas Wing? Edward, son of Thomas would make more sense. Thomas was captain of what, the Orpheus? (Not mentioned in the text.) If Thomas was captain of the ship, and placed with the blame of not steering her into harbor, how was admirality unwilling to place blame on an officer? Or did they put blame on Edward? Confused... -- 212.149.48.44 ( talk) 11:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
A couple of questions. One is a followup to the previous question. The other is based on my ignorance of naval terminology.
1) The aftermath section says:
"Three inquiries were held after the shipwreck,.........much of the blame was laid on Edward Wing"
"The cause of this disaster is disputed, even after the Admiralty laid the blame on Thomas Wing."
2) "Orpheus's first journey was in December 1861 under Commodore W.F Burnett, CB's pennant. " In this sentence, does CB stand for Commodore Burnett? If it does, why not just say: "Orpheus's first journey was in December 1861 under Commodore W.F Burnett's pennant. "
Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 23:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
According to these two Daily Southern Cross articles ( 10 February 1863, Page 3 11 February 1863, Page 3), the Orpheus was heading Northeast by east, "keeping the Nine Pin rock on with Paratutai", and "the bar whereon the ship struck is about 2.5 miles from Paratutai". Paratutae is listed by LINZ at -37.0487, 174.5102 [1], and appears along with Ninepin Rock on NZTopoOnline and Martime Chart NZ 4314. XLerate ( talk) 07:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought that dubious honour belonged to the Cospatrick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.191.175 ( talk) 11:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
There were no New Zealand citizens in those days. Residents of New Zealand, perhaps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 02:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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Where there is a dispute on the facts of the case (some sources cite the death-count at 192 instead of 189; the dimensions of the ship are cited differently in the contemporary newspapers) I have treated the book Shipwreck: Tales of Survival, Courage & Calamity at Sea as authoritative.
For strictly grammatical reasons, when referring to ships of the Royal Navy, the article 'the' is not used before 'H.M.S.' The reason is to avoid grammatical error if the abbreviation is spelled out: One should not write 'the Her Majesty's Ship Orpheus,' hence 'H.M.S.' is also used without 'the.' If the ship's name is used alone without 'H.M.S.' then 'the' may be used ('the Orpheus'). In contrast, ships of other fleets may or may not use the article 'the' depending upon the title. Ships of the U.S. Navy, for example, typically use 'the' in either form (i.e. 'the' USS Consitution, also 'the' Constitution.)
The reference that Orpheus Island was named after the corvette in memory of the loss of life comes from a travel article : travel article. I'll try and find a more suitable source. - Ctbolt 01:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thomas Wing being the son of captain Thomas Wing? Edward, son of Thomas would make more sense. Thomas was captain of what, the Orpheus? (Not mentioned in the text.) If Thomas was captain of the ship, and placed with the blame of not steering her into harbor, how was admirality unwilling to place blame on an officer? Or did they put blame on Edward? Confused... -- 212.149.48.44 ( talk) 11:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
A couple of questions. One is a followup to the previous question. The other is based on my ignorance of naval terminology.
1) The aftermath section says:
"Three inquiries were held after the shipwreck,.........much of the blame was laid on Edward Wing"
"The cause of this disaster is disputed, even after the Admiralty laid the blame on Thomas Wing."
2) "Orpheus's first journey was in December 1861 under Commodore W.F Burnett, CB's pennant. " In this sentence, does CB stand for Commodore Burnett? If it does, why not just say: "Orpheus's first journey was in December 1861 under Commodore W.F Burnett's pennant. "
Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 23:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
According to these two Daily Southern Cross articles ( 10 February 1863, Page 3 11 February 1863, Page 3), the Orpheus was heading Northeast by east, "keeping the Nine Pin rock on with Paratutai", and "the bar whereon the ship struck is about 2.5 miles from Paratutai". Paratutae is listed by LINZ at -37.0487, 174.5102 [1], and appears along with Ninepin Rock on NZTopoOnline and Martime Chart NZ 4314. XLerate ( talk) 07:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought that dubious honour belonged to the Cospatrick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.191.175 ( talk) 11:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
There were no New Zealand citizens in those days. Residents of New Zealand, perhaps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 02:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)